The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

I still find it odd that the expansion could conclude so early given it's not an abject failure like Shadowlands and WoD were. At the same time, I find it very suspicious that they'd say it "won't fully satisfy you". There's no reason for them to conclude early, but they're also giving signals they will. It's all pretty inexplicable. If it does end at 10.2.5., my best guess is that the final raid will be to go back in time and nab our MacGuffin from Elisande in a kind of Fated/Timewalking hybrid variant of Nighthold with some mild alterations and potentially a new boss of some kind to replace Gul'dan.

They said the Tyr stuff ends with 10.2 so I don't think Ellisande will be any more than a quest.

I don't think that DF was canceled, I think it was genuinely planned to be shorter "filler" before 11.0. I know it's seen as BS by many that Blizz planned Shadowlands to be short, and I think that may truly be BS (though besides the Drust there was nothing really to do) but the second Iridikron left DF kind of ended already.

That, or we just aren't getting 4 raids anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if they confirm shorter expansions from now on, especially if we get F2P confirmed next expansion.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

They said the Tyr stuff ends with 10.2 so I don't think Ellisande will be any more than a quest.

Wasn't aware of that. Unless they were playing with exact words or outright fabricating, I suppose that does rule it out.

[Raetary]

Update time!

[Cheezits]

If 11.0 is another random new island/planet with no explicit reason for DF being shorter (aka no revamp, no housing, no new class, no new race) I think we can expect shorter expansions with meatier patches to be the new normal. For better or worse.

[Houle]

Update time!

Getting better and better already

Still needs this guy tho

[Holdodlig]

If 11.0 is another random new island/planet with no explicit reason for DF being shorter (aka no revamp, no housing, no new class, no new race) I think we can expect shorter expansions with meatier patches to be the new normal. For better or worse.

One less major patch per expansion probably to release them faster for money, or to make sure player progression doesn't go out of hand at the end of each expac.

[Nymrohd]

If 11.0 is another random new island/planet with no explicit reason for DF being shorter (aka no revamp, no housing, no new class, no new race) I think we can expect shorter expansions with meatier patches to be the new normal. For better or worse.

In the bronze dailies added at that inn one of the quests has you send Aenormu to complete an expansion as an adventurer (one where he needs to go back in time to help the Keepers take down the Old Gods I think) and it is described as having "roughly three" raids. So yeah, they are communicating the idea that the standard will be THREE raid tiers (and a fated season) instead of 4.

[Cheezits]

One less major patch per expansion probably to release them faster for money, or to make sure player progression doesn't go out of hand at the end of each expac.

I'm cool with faster expansions (I have no real complaints with DF outside of setting things) but it will be disappointing if it was only short because of that.

[Revamp Man]

I'm cool with faster expansions (I have no real complaints with DF outside of setting things) but it will be disappointing if it was only short because of that.

I mean there's been a few things these last couple years that could effect it

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In the bronze dailies added at that inn one of the quests has you send Aenormu to complete an expansion as an adventurer (one where he needs to go back in time to help the Keepers take down the Old Gods I think) and it is described as having "roughly three" raids. So yeah, they are communicating the idea that the standard will be THREE raid tiers (and a fated season) instead of 4.

I'm OK with this when we get fun raids and gear

We are already going to have a game breaking trinket combo this next fated season

[Sondrelk]

I'm cool with faster expansions (I have no real complaints with DF outside of setting things) but it will be disappointing if it was only short because of that.

The issue i have with shorter expansions like that is that they don't take into account the patch cadence we have now.
It's relevant for 11.0 specifically because expansions launch has been pushed into early winter. But if we dont assume the expansions will come out faster then we are left with massive droughts at the tail end, even accounting for Fated seasons.

[Cheezits]

The issue i have with shorter expansions like that is that they don't take into account the patch cadence we have now.
It's relevant for 11.0 specifically because expansions launch has been pushed into early winter. But if we dont assume the expansions will come out faster then we are left with massive droughts at the tail end, even accounting for Fated seasons.

I think the idea is for earlier expansion launched in this case? They are so proud of player retention that they would do anything to maintain it.

[Super Dickmann]

It won't be the last major patch, I have seen it, maybe in a dream, maybe in my common sense. If it is I'll write pro-Calia fanfiction.

Not taking the out.

[Cheezits]

Not taking the out.

Better start writing the draft...

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Not taking the out.

You've got history of making dangerous promises and following through. I'm still greatly split on the patch question, but you've got to understand what you're risking here.

[Raetary]

Still needs this guy tho

[Super Dickmann]

You've got history of making dangerous promises and following through. I'm still greatly split on the patch question, but you've got to understand what you're risking here.

@Cheezits

I'm fairly confident Blizzard haven't suffered a concussion and aren't retarded enough to risk the press of indefinite three raid expansions. It'd be like making the playable race of their post-Shadowlands expansion stick-thin scaley bait with no prior hype or lore.

Oh shit.

[Cheezits]

@Cheezits

I'm fairly confident Blizzard haven't suffered a concussion and aren't retarded enough to risk the press of indefinite three raid expansions. It'd be like making the playable race of their post-Shadowlands expansion stick-thin scaley bait with no prior hype or lore.

Oh shit.

The fact that the expansion after Shadowlands wasn't a revamp (and now, an only marginally bigger expansion) means they just release anything they are able.

If next expansion is Avaloren with nothing cool... IT'S OVER.

[Super Dickmann]

The fact that the expansion after Shadowlands wasn't a revamp (and now, an only marginally bigger expansion) means they just release anything they are able.

If you want to be a pedant, you can make the case that Mists was also a three-tier expansion, but Mists had two and a half intro raids, and both ToT and SoO were more extensive than the DF raids.

[micwini]

Update time!

Could you replace sylvanas ion with this one (maybe more fitting for the tree :P)

https://twitter.com/Solanya_/status/...653222/photo/1

[Cheezits]

If you want to be a pedant, you can make the case that Mists was also a three-tier expansion, but Mists had two and a half intro raids, and both ToT and SoO were more extensive than the DF raids.

True, but I don't think I have ever heard anyone speak well of MV/HOF/whatever the third one (or Crucible) so I can see why they stopped it.