The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Krelivane]

You know what I kind of hope for in a world revamp where they mean to keep the old world relevant and evergreen? Make use of old world mats for higher level content. Max level recipe that uses some iron or mithril or whatever, in addition to a new high level mat that you need to be a high level to mine. Then all the old nodes aren't useless and Blizz doesn't have to keep coming up with so many random new ores and plants.

An evergreen world revamp and general evergreen content design would be amazing. It seems like a no-brainer.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Tbf it looks like he does that same thing Ragnaros did in Hyjal - he brings the Firelands into the raid so I would guess if we kill him there, he will be gone for good. Like Archimonde, untill they retcon it again haha.

Hyjal shows he shouldn’t be gone for good, Rag dies there twice once in the fort you see in the zone where he just goes back to the firelands and then again in the fire lands proper when we invade.

[huth]

The 8th cosmic force was the friends we made along the way.

At this rate the next cosmic force is going to be a sentient mobile tree wearing plate armour and wielding powerfull void magic.

[Foolicious]

Hyjal shows he shouldn’t be gone for good, Rag dies there twice once in the fort you see in the zone where he just goes back to the firelands and then again in the fire lands proper when we invade.

Ragnaros "should" be dead dead. We not only killed him, we used his heart to create Dragonwrath. That being said i can't help the feeling that 10.2 is a setup to bring him back. Smolderon, Fyrakk and Fandral 2.0 bite the dust which leaves the fire elementals without anyone to lead and they used every piece of ragnaros merch in the announcement video. Maybe Yrel comes swooping in and makes Ragnaros the lightlord happen? Who knows.

[Well Done Steak]

Ragnaros "should" be dead dead. We not only killed him, we used his heart to create Dragonwrath. That being said i can't help the feeling that 10.2 is a setup to bring him back. Smolderon, Fyrakk and Fandral 2.0 bite the dust which leaves the fire elementals without anyone to lead and they used every piece of ragnaros merch in the announcement video. Maybe Yrel comes swooping in and makes Ragnaros the lightlord happen? Who knows.

I always expected ragnaros the lightlord to be a boss in an infinite raid along with the knights of the frozen throne

[Woggmer]

It’s called Dragonflight and obviously it’s about Dragons, but like… it’s HEAVILY themed around the elements and missing that is like missing more than half of the meat.

There's a difference between expansion theme'd around the elements and an expansion ABOUT the elements. This isn't about the elements, ergo not an elemental expansion. Dragons have been the focal point though out the expansion while the primalists and elementals act as filler.

If it truly is an Elemental expansion, why isn't the Earthen Ring more involved in this expansion? We only saw them in one specific area in the Waking Shore.. and that's it. Thrall isn't involved, Magetha is nowhere to be seen, the other Elemental Lords are abscent aside from Smolderon who we don't even know how he got mixed up in all this.

And it isn't like they're part of the Alliance or Horde or a military group, so they should be a lot more involved in whats going on especially if the Elementals are becoming restless and there are people infusing themselves in their power.

[Worldshaper]

The Builder expansions (WoD, BfA, DF) build on what's there in the Core expansions (TBC, WotLK, Cata, MoP) but modernise and expand the story, before sending us off into the Spender expansions (L, SL, 11.0) where those themes and the story culminate in a massive way.

Dragonflight uses the stuff that's in Cataclysm (Dragons, Old Gods, Azshara Naga, World Revanp, Elements, Thrall, etc) before 11.0 finishes that storyline. So anything that appears in Cata can appear in DF and 11.0, and the main enemy will be the same (the Void).

The things which haven't made their reappearance in DF from Cata are basically Thrall, Azshara, the Elemental Lords (except one) and the World Revamp, which is why they're likely part of 11.0. But all the things found already in DF are fair game and can carry over to 11.0. Not all of it will, but all of it can.

So it's possible we'll see more of the Elements in 11.0.

[Ebonn]

There's a difference between expansion theme'd around the elements and an expansion ABOUT the elements. This isn't about the elements, ergo not an elemental expansion. Dragons have been the focal point though out the expansion while the primalists and elementals act as filler.

If it truly is an Elemental expansion, why isn't the Earthen Ring more involved in this expansion? We only saw them in one specific area in the Waking Shore.. and that's it. Thrall isn't involved, Magetha is nowhere to be seen, the other Elemental Lords are abscent aside from Smolderon who we don't even know how he got mixed up in all this.

And it isn't like they're part of the Alliance or Horde or a military group, so they should be a lot more involved in whats going on especially if the Elementals are becoming restless and there are people infusing themselves in their power.

I didn't say it was ABOUT the elementals. I said it was heavily themed around the elements because... it is. In fact, I said "obviously it's about dragons" lol.

You're just missing what's plainly in front of you /shrug

I do have to say though, you mentioned a few specific mortals that are part of OUR stories, but they aren't the elementals, and I never said they were present - I said a lot of elemental action was. And it is, in far more than just one area in Waking shores lol. There are elementals all over the place and most of the bad guys are using powers from the elements...

Edit: The dragons also have an entirely different relationship with the elements than Shamans/the Earthen Ring do. It probably predates those relationships by quite a lot.

"Primlists and elementals act as filler." You said filler, I said meat. You're missing more than half the filler. Better? lol

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Wut... dragonflight is literally about the dragons fighting the elementals, and their own elemental infused dragons...
Elementals are all over every one of the zones, multiple of the dungeons, every raid so far has had multiple elemental bosses, and the next one even more.

WOD literally had zero demons outside shatrathz and a tiny camp in shadowmoon, until the final patch.

Meanwhile in dragonflight.
First raid had 5 elementals, 4 shaman, 2 elemental infused creatures, and an elemental infused dragon.

Second raid had 2 elementals

Next raid has the firelord, an elemental infused dragon, another elemental, and 2 druid of the flame.

Halls of infusion water elementals
Neltharus and ruby life pools, fire and earth elementals
Nokhud offensive air elementals
Algethar+azure vault arcane elementals (if we consider them a true elemental)

^ I mean also, a lot of this

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Ragnaros "should" be dead dead. We not only killed him, we used his heart to create Dragonwrath. That being said i can't help the feeling that 10.2 is a setup to bring him back. Smolderon, Fyrakk and Fandral 2.0 bite the dust which leaves the fire elementals without anyone to lead and they used every piece of ragnaros merch in the announcement video. Maybe Yrel comes swooping in and makes Ragnaros the lightlord happen? Who knows.

I don’t know that taking his heart would really matter but ya he should be dead and ya I wouldn’t be surprised if they bring him back any way for marketing reasons.

[Jolly Roger]

so do you think the scarlet crusade knows how to sail a boat??

[Kiivar86]

so do you think the scarlet crusade knows how to sail a boat??

I mean how'd they get to Northrend? Maybe the Onslaught took all the sailors though.

[Nymrohd]

so do you think the scarlet crusade knows how to sail a boat??

They did sail to Northrend. One of the early speculations was Scarlet Crusade-themed conquistadors in Avaloren

[Santandame]

There's a difference between expansion theme'd around the elements and an expansion ABOUT the elements. This isn't about the elements, ergo not an elemental expansion. Dragons have been the focal point though out the expansion while the primalists and elementals act as filler.

If it truly is an Elemental expansion, why isn't the Earthen Ring more involved in this expansion? We only saw them in one specific area in the Waking Shore.. and that's it. Thrall isn't involved, Magetha is nowhere to be seen, the other Elemental Lords are abscent aside from Smolderon who we don't even know how he got mixed up in all this.

And it isn't like they're part of the Alliance or Horde or a military group, so they should be a lot more involved in whats going on especially if the Elementals are becoming restless and there are people infusing themselves in their power.

Calling the Primalists, the expansions primary antagonistic force, filler is a wild take.

[Worldshaper]

Calling the Primalists, the expansions primary antagonistic force, filler is a wild take.

It's interesting to think about. Who's more powerful as far as elements go?

Pre-Shadowflame Fyrakk, or Ragnaros/Smolderon?

Obviously the latter is a boss in the Emerald Dream, inside a raid where Fyrakk is the final boss. But who knows what it'd look like without Shadowflame.

The Elemental Lords aren't really the "chosen ones" of the Elementals AFAIK, more like really powerful Warlords who claimed power, right?

But the Primal Incarnates aren't either. They're basically infused with Elemental power, similar to how the Dragon Aspects were infused by the Titans.

So should we consider the Primal Incarnates as the "endgame" of the Elementals at this point, or is there still a way to one-up them?

So with that in mind, should the

[Scyth]

It's interesting to think about. Who's more powerful as far as elements go?

Pre-Shadowflame Fyrakk, or Ragnaros/Smolderon?

Obviously the latter is a boss in the Emerald Dream, inside a raid where Fyrakk is the final boss. But who knows what it'd look like without Shadowflame.

The Elemental Lords aren't really the "chosen ones" of the Elementals AFAIK, more like really powerful Warlords who claimed power, right?

But the Primal Incarnates aren't either. They're basically infused with Elemental power, similar to how the Dragon Aspects were infused by the Titans.

So should we consider the Primal Incarnates as the "endgame" of the Elementals at this point, or is there still a way to one-up them?

So with that in mind, should the

I'll just ignore Smolderon since he hasn't really been shown doing anything (if i'm not mistaken?).
Ragnaros should be stronger than Fyrakk imo but idk

Would the Aspects (pre-cata) be considered stronger than the Elemental Lords?

Also do we know how the Incarnates gained their powers? Can't remember if it was ever talked about in-game.

[Lahis]

I could see them doing some kind of skirmish between the Ankoan and the Naga remnants of Nazjatar, maybe restarting the war against Neptulon? Per 10.2 we know not all is right with the Elemental Lords since Legion.

Neptulon has been friendly towards players ever since his introduction into WoW. Therazane has mostly tolerated us. Smolderon has now turned against us despite only being in power thanks to Earthern Ring. Thunderaan Is currently Wild card.

[Grazrug]

If you think a skybox is gonna keep them from popping a new landmass there, you haven't exactly been paying attention to the last 19 years of wow development.

Instead of keep adding Islands how about a fresh world revamp?

[Lahis]

Also do we know how the Incarnates gained their powers? Can't remember if it was ever talked about in-game.

Dragons are elemental beings to begin with. They might just be more primal dragons than the flesher proto Drakes. They also could be the result of Tyr's experiments. He experimented with boosting proto dragon's elemental powers before enhancing the Dragonflights with Order magic.

[KurtMash]

Did we ever get any clarification of what the deal is with the element of Decay? I know Spirit is "misssing" from Azeroth, and that's what led to the unbalance of elements, but we know Decay exists (it is used by the Brackenhide for example) yet it is still... mostly ignored in the game? Who's the Lord of Decay? Is there some sort of Lord of Spirit? I feel like if they want to make 11.0 elemental-based, Decay and Spirit would be an interesting thing to focus on to keep the elemental theme, without making the expansion feel too samey. Perhaps the main goal of the expansion is to reestablish Spirit on Azeroth or sth like that. Spirit/Decay being related to Life would also give them a way to explore this theme, perhaps even somehow tying Spirit to Elune? Quoting wowpedia "With the elements' help, she (the Earthmother) labored until she brought forth a radiant son she named An'she and a gentle daughter she named Mu'sha, whom the elements called Sun and Moon.". Perhaps Elune is the Lady of Spirit elevated by Azeroth itself to godhood?

[username993720]

Did we ever get any clarification of what the deal is with the element of Decay? I know Spirit is "misssing" from Azeroth, and that's what led to the unbalance of elements, but we know Decay exists (it is used by the Brackenhide for example) yet it is still... mostly ignored in the game? Who's the Lord of Decay? Is there some sort of Lord of Spirit? I feel like if they want to make 11.0 elemental-based, Decay and Spirit would be an interesting thing to focus on to keep the elemental theme, without making the expansion feel too samey. Perhaps the main goal of the expansion is to reestablish Spirit on Azeroth or sth like that. Spirit/Decay being related to Life would also give them a way to explore this theme, perhaps even somehow tying Spirit to Elune? Quoting wowpedia "With the elements' help, she (the Earthmother) labored until she brought forth a radiant son she named An'she and a gentle daughter she named Mu'sha, whom the elements called Sun and Moon.". Perhaps Elune is the Lady of Spirit elevated by Azeroth itself to godhood?

Spirit would obviously link into the Emerald Dream and the Botani. Decay could link into Galakrond (if they didn't stupidly retcon him into being corrupted by Yog-Sarron) and the Drust. I think these 2 elements could tie into the Shadow Hunter and voodoo since it says "they walk the path between light and darkness" while obviously not wielding light and void and being similar to Shamans (whose Dark version magic used to look like Void and is now Decay).