The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Izalla]

Well for one start by removing all ongoing issues from the Cataclysm that are distracting when the zone would be used again. Zones should be as neutral as possible, which does not mean removing all traces of the Cataclysm, but rather things like the Tornado in Westfall, or Menethil Harbor being flooded.

For specific changes though I would like Sentinel Hill to be finished, and for it to be the main hub of the Human zones. Stormwind will be the main hub of the Alliance that expansion, but more in the same vein Cataclysm Stormwind was.
Eastern Plaguelands should be almost completely free of the mushrooms. There should still be some pockets of it to not completely erase the old feel the zone had, but stories there should be about settlers wanting to move back.
Stratholme should be a fully fledged uninstanced city. Not necessarily a friendly one, but at least on the level of Boralus where you can go around large chunks of it unhindered for flavor.

I have said before, but I would very much like if Blizzard tried rethinking what a zone in EK and Kalimdor is. They worked well for what were back in Vanilla when +100% movement speed mounts was a rare endgame goal, not the expected mode of transportation for those just starting out. For that reason I would argue for the removal of the old zone barrier mountains, at least for the most part. Not necessarily flattening them out, but not having them be impassable walls.

Other stuff I would love is Bloodmyst and Azuremyst being given a full makeover into a proper Draenei town, or even city using the assets from WoD. The Exodar is cool and all, but I would argue that the Draenei should have been on Azeroth long enough that they should have set up some of their bigger structures by this point. And to me the image of the big Karabor style building with the Vindicaar hovering above it seems so cool.
Full Nelf settlement under Hyjal would be nice. Where exactly Amirdrassil will be placed is hard to say, but Hyjal should still have some actual Nelf settlements. It did afterall have some burnt ones back in Cataclysm, so we know that Nelves live there.


The most unlikely to see happen though is a revamp of Vashj'ir. Highly unlikely given it's not really connected to the mainland, nor did the playerbase love it. But I would love some more quests ad storylines with the Ankoan there. Even if it's entirely a sidequest, Don't even need any specific resources there either. I just want more Vashj'ir content.

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At least, if there are. Make them in such a way that you can easily "complete" them at some point. Zones in EK and Kalimdor should be used more often, and when we go back to wherever new outpost was, we shouldnt see that the settlers are still struggling with the basic building. We should go back and see that the buildings are up.

The thing about zone barriers being reworked is huge. I remember seeing the map of Kul Tiras for the first time and being so disappointed they were wasting so much of the map on mountains that would just block off and shrink the zones. I was thrilled to be proven wrong when it turns out they built the mountains to not only be climbable, but to be climbable/passable in various places so you don't just feel like you're being handheld along a specific route (and they even had quests and mobs and buildings on the mountains!). It felt so much more natural and less, well, designed. They could easily rework all true mountainous areas between zones to be like this, and just generally make all zone barriers more natural and less rigidly designed to stop all passage between zones but for one or two specific road entrances except where it makes sense to have such dramatic barriers.

[Nymrohd]

The thing about zone barriers being reworked is huge. I remember seeing the map of Kul Tiras for the first time and being so disappointed they were wasting so much of the map on mountains that would just block off and shrink the zones. I was thrilled to be proven wrong when it turns out they built the mountains to not only be climbable, but to be climbable/passable in various places so you don't just feel like you're being handheld along a specific route (and they even had quests and mobs and buildings on the mountains!). It felt so much more natural and less, well, designed. They could easily rework all true mountainous areas between zones to be like this, and just generally make all zone barriers more natural and less rigidly designed to stop all passage between zones but for one or two specific road entrances except where it makes sense to have such dramatic barriers.

Honestly some of the hills placed between zones were clearly design elements alone. If they actually do a revamp and not just a visual update, I hope for megazones and that would require some of those barriers to be removed or at least made smooth.

[Revamp Man]

Something interesting in DF
We constantly fail against the incarnates but the failure never really saw consequences immediately and just keep getting pushed so far it's meaningless

Yes we killed raz but she let her siblings free which unlocked a new zone where we didn't interact with them

Ran into fyrakk in the caverns but he literally dominated

Iridikron escaped with his trinket

I like the idea of us losing but only if there's immediately consequences like 8.2 into 8.3

[doledippers]

towelie teasing us again https://twitter.com/towelthetank/sta...08256925847620

what could this mean

[Hyrja]

towelie teasing us again https://twitter.com/towelthetank/sta...08256925847620

what could this mean

It means nothing. In shadowlands he kept hinting 10.0 could be a whole new world which obvs was totally wrong.
Hes doing the same thing now, you really think Blizz is gonna allow him to give any info at all?

[Marlamin]

It means nothing. In shadowlands he kept hinting 10.0 could be a whole new world which obvs was totally wrong.
Hes doing the same thing now, you really think Blizz is gonna allow him to give any info at all?

Lets not do this damn discussion again.

[doledippers]

It means nothing. In shadowlands he kept hinting 10.0 could be a whole new world which obvs was totally wrong.
Hes doing the same thing now, you really think Blizz is gonna allow him to give any info at all?

yea ofc it means nothing lol, its so vague that the expansion could pretty much be just about anything and he'd technically be correct with what he said here LUL

[Well Done Steak]

towelie teasing us again https://twitter.com/towelthetank/sta...08256925847620

what could this mean

Haha,

"Somewhere else",

It's either avaloren or Karesh.

If we get avaloren before DF ends then HANDS DOWN 11.0 will take place in Karesh. That's where the light v void war will be staged. Due to dimensius causing a rift that Yrel and the light mother will attempt to exploit for the light and xal / Iridikron for the void.

If I'm right then I called two expansion in a row.

That's right I knew we'd go to the dragon isles before SL was even announced.

I'm a fucking prophet

[doledippers]

"Somewhere else",

this is all u need, ur bases are covered. ur gonna be right no matter what, omega brain play

[Well Done Steak]

this is all u need, ur bases are covered. ur gonna be right no matter what, omega brain play

Well he didn't specify anything, that was just a tease on his end. If anything it's just that 11.0 isnt nautical, which we already knew.

[Luck4]

https://twitter.com/towelthetank/sta...08256925847620

what could this mean

That means click-baiting.

[Teriz]

towelie teasing us again https://twitter.com/towelthetank/sta...08256925847620

what could this mean

It could mean Undermine.

Undermine was originally a planned landmass in vanilla. It even shows up on older WoW maps as a continent sized landmass in the south seas.

Blizzard also hinted at an underground expansion when they released Zalarek Caverns. Further an Undermine expansion could explain that Goblin-looking armor in Tanaris.

The only thing that gives me pause in that regard is that Undermine should have a Tinker class alongside it, and we just got Evokers. Though even that could occur if Blizzard wants another class with a support spec available for players to work alongside Augvokers. Blizzard released a new spec mid-expansion, nothing stops them from releasing classes back to back.

[Loreguy126]

I usually like Bel's content but that video, oh boy, is just full of toxic masculinity. Dragonflight is the best Expansion since Legion, and easily on par with MoP, but all he does is crying about it being not "brutal enough" and how guys would have prefered the ugly Draconids instead of the Dracthyr? WoW doesn't need to change "direction", it's already on the right track, all they need is a nostalgia bait expansion to bring back a mass of players similiar to WoD/Shadowlands (which had a huge number of new/returning players but didn't manage to retain them unlike Dragonflight).

Definitely got weird hypermasc vibes too… like what does he mean by “gushy” stuff and “heartwarming”? Hopefully not an attack on inclusion efforts… the world needs more games to be positive, and Blizzard definitely does, at least with WoW. So any other takes on that are <WRONG>

[Cheezits]

towelie teasing us again https://twitter.com/towelthetank/sta...08256925847620

what could this mean

undermine baybeeee

World of Warcraft: Tinkerclysm

Could be a nod to Khaz Algar as well.

[Teriz]

undermine baybeeee

World of Warcraft: Tinkerclysm

Could be a nod to Khaz Algar as well.

I’m sure the usual people will roll their eyes, but it’s a very real possibility. There’s more than enough lore there to support an expansion, and Blizzard stated that it was something they wanted to do, but didn’t have the resources to pull it off at the time. There’s also Gallywix running around as a potential low-level antagonist and a potential need for another support class if Blizzard is going in the direction it appears to be going with support.

[Makorus]

Blizzard literally just clarified their stance on Goblins/Gnomes being joke-races, so Undermine is out of the picture.

[Kiivar86]

Poor pvp players would be confused if a spell could change colours.

But for real though. A revamped glyph system would be an absolute win. But i just don't see it. They never expanded on the idea of green fire like quests, they slowly got rid of cosmetic glyphs other than druid forms and weapon transmogs. Evoker doesn't even have glyphs.

Not saying that customizing spell effects has to be tied to glyphs, but it would make it more interesting than using the transmog npc or barber.

I suppose, though I still think it'd be a neat idea. A fireball is a fireball no matter the color.

I'll hold out hope!

[Teriz]

Blizzard literally just clarified their stance on Goblins/Gnomes being joke-races, so Undermine is out of the picture.

Could you elaborate on this clarification? Unless Blizzard specifically said “we’re never doing an undermine expansion”, it can’t be ruled out.

[Cheezits]

Not sure how you can take Towellie's hint as anything but an underground thing, tbh. Or underwater.

[Teriz]

Not sure how you can take Towellie's hint as anything but an underground thing, tbh. Or underwater.

I think he even said it’s not water.