The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Worldshaper]

7 weeks from right now, we'll know what the expansion is about. I can't wait!

7 weeks ago was July 28th, so you get a rough idea of how long the wait'll be.

[Holdodlig]

7 weeks from right now, we'll know what the expansion is about. I can't wait!

7 weeks ago was July 28th, so you get a rough idea of how long the wait'll be.

I'm really hoping for a world revamp. I can easily see what features they would bring :

>Complete interfaction gameplay. You can quest and queue with your friends
>Advanced Riding, which would be dragonriding for ground mount. With solo Q BGs it could be a thing. Also, I would love to see new races in the Thousand Needles where you pimp your bike / rocket car.
>BGs revamped with categories of BG like Capture the flag, king of the hill or simply deathmatch. Would also love to see some old school content become brawl like the WoD Highmaul arena.
>New Brawler's Guild but in all arena of Azeroth (Gurubashi like in the first WoW trailer)
>Archeology revamped to work like Secret of Azeroth, with multiple tools for multiple tasks.
>Cosmetic spells (which will end up in the store, we all know it)
>Every vanilla class for every race
>Maybe DH for void elves / nightbornes ?
>Keyforging for MM+ where you can add new affixes for better rewards (and also replay some of the fun affixes like BFA S2)

[Woggmer]

They’re Old God forces so yeah, anything Twilight Hammer related is going to be Old God related. The exact same as the Primalists with the Incarnates.

I honestly cannot believe people in this thread are trying to differentiate between the Incarnates and the Primalists. Is the Lich King not a scourge villain?

Then how did the Primalists get their elemental power BEFORE they freed Razsageth and way before they freed the other Incarnates?

The Incarnates never gave the Primalists their power, there was only one instance where a Primalist received the power of one of the Incarnates (that wind boss in Vault of the Incarnates). She used to be a regular wind primalist night elf until she asked Raszageth for some of her power, and Raszageth only gave that one wind primalist a small amount but to a mortal, it was so much power that her body can barely be able to handle it.

Dathea Stormlash says: They killed my brother! My vengeance requires your power!
Raszageth yells: Quiet, whimpering fool! If I didn't have need of you, you'd already be dead.
Raszageth yells: I will grant you a modicum of my strength. It should suffice to deal with these meddlers.
Dathea Stormlash says: It's... it's too much!
Raszageth yells: Indeed. This gift will destroy you. Kill them before it does.
Dathea, Ascended says: I will not fail.

So wherever they're getting their power from isn't from the Incarnates but something else. Whatever it is, they probably won't show or explain it in DF because the primalists aren't the prime focus, the Incarnates are.

[Worldshaper]

I'm really hoping for a world revamp. I can easily see what features they would bring :

>Complete interfaction gameplay. You can quest and queue with your friends
>Advanced Riding, which would be dragonriding for ground mount. With solo Q BGs it could be a thing. Also, I would love to see new races in the Thousand Needles where you pimp your bike / rocket car.
>BGs revamped with categories of BG like Capture the flag, king of the hill or simply deathmatch. Would also love to see some old school content become brawl like the WoD Highmaul arena.
>New Brawler's Guild but in all arena of Azeroth (Gurubashi like in the first WoW trailer)
>Archeology revamped to work like Secret of Azeroth, with multiple tools for multiple tasks.
>Cosmetic spells (which will end up in the store, we all know it)
>Every vanilla class for every race
>Maybe DH for void elves / nightbornes ?
>Keyforging for MM+ where you can add new affixes for better rewards (and also replay some of the fun affixes like BFA S2)

I'd be really happy for three simple things:

1. A really immersive revamped Azeroth, with lots of little cosy locations where the music, weather, landscape, ambience and everything else just comes together perfectly.

2. Gameplay systems I feel personally engaged with again, like the Artifacts, Order Halls, etc. of the past. A personal progression system that offers me challenges, rewards, a great story, and something meaningful to do throughout the expansion.

3. The overarching story improves, and stops moving at a snail's pace. It uses regular lore characters again, gives us an exciting pre-rendered CGI cinematic now and then, and makes big leaps forward with each patch.

[huth]

Then how did the Primalists get their elemental power BEFORE they freed Razsageth and way before they freed the other Incarnates?

The Incarnates never gave the Primalists their power, there was only one instance where a Primalist received the power of one of the Incarnates (that wind boss in Vault of the Incarnates). She used to be a regular wind primalist night elf until she asked Raszageth for some of her power, and Raszageth only gave that one wind primalist a small amount but to a mortal, it was so much power that her body can barely be able to handle it.

The elements. Same place the Incarnates get their power from.

[Grazrug]

Because the simple psychology that people value new stuff for spending their $60 dollaridoos on a new expansion, the fact that all of the old world zones are accessible in game right now makes them less valued as a result. Particularly when one competitor is advertising "Let's go to Mexico!" and another just released "Come to the popular World of Books and Tentacles (as see in Skyrim)". The competitors are advertising New, you're paying the type of money that could get you several copies of indie games full of New content, and the last time WoW tried this, the New content, the main draw for endgame, was absolutely at the mercy of the rest of the game being updated.

Plus, as much as there is a revamp crew, there is an anti-revamp crew (who, honestly, probably have a fair few players jaded by Cata). This thread tends to run revamp positive, but there's plenty of folks just, not excited by the prospect of a revamp.

I am willing to have one less raid tier if it means the old world is updated to current lore.

[Murlocos]

They’re literally their main fighting force. I don’t know how people are getting this so twisted. They serve the Incarnates, they do their fighting, they do their bidding, they work to achieve the Incarnates goals, they have their loyalty.

Just like the following:

- The Twilights Hammer with the Old Gods
- The Legion with Sargeras
- The Scourge with the Lich King

And countless other enemies with their followers and armies. This entire argument is madness.

That's the issue I'm highlighting with my above post: why? They have no backstory detailing what drove them to their beliefs and to group up, nor a simple excuse of being brainwashed or otherwise subjugated. The Incarnates both see them as mere fodder and are apparently willing to ditch them without a second thought for other factions and groups. The entire character and purpose of the Primalists is "they serve the Incarnates", and now that the remaining Incarnates are ditching them with no fanfare, will they be given a satisfying reason to keep existing, or just disappear?

When this stuff feels so throwaway, it strains your suspension of disbelief, which has become a hallmark of the Danuser era of the story. When the new book that's titled as the Definitive Guide to Dragons opens with a disclaimer letting you know that everything within can be retconned at any time, it makes you wonder what the point of trying to take any of this seriously is if the writers can't even be bothered. It's the same feeling I had when listening to Sylvanas's speech in the heritage questline (Danuser said he wrote it on Twitter), and realizing that it only makes sense if she's speaking directly to the player who has read short stories that your character would have no access to. It's the feeling that you're trying to enjoy fiction, but the man refuses to get behind the curtain and hide himself.

If this the second paragraph of this post feels slightly deranged, it's because partway through I realized that Secrets of Azeroth gave us a literal cosmic mystery box and I never needed a Metzen expansion more than now.

[Santandame]

The elements. Same place the Incarnates get their power from.

And because they’re literally Shamans. Just as Huth has said - the elements. Why do the incarnates need to have given them power for them to serve them?

[Reive]

apparently cata classic has been datamined. do you think a world revamp for 11.0 is even more likely now?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...72612898971687

[Marlamin]

apparently cata classic has been datamined. do you think a world revamp for 11.0 is even more likely now?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...72612898971687

That is speculative datamining, not necessarily fact based so take it with a grain of salt for now.

[Sondrelk]

apparently cata classic has been datamined. do you think a world revamp for 11.0 is even more likely now?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...72612898971687

A world revamp is so hard ot pin down in terms of arguments for or against that I just don't worry about it.

[Cheezits]

apparently cata classic has been datamined. do you think a world revamp for 11.0 is even more likely now?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...72612898971687

Classic plus was never going to happen, so this was inevitable.

[Woggmer]

apparently cata classic has been datamined. do you think a world revamp for 11.0 is even more likely now?

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...72612898971687

I had a feeling it was coming, but I wonder if they'll add anything new to it or are they just going to repeat the same beats as previous expansions they are emulating?

I don't think anyone would want to get a repeat of Cata Heroics being nerfed to the ground to where it isn't as difficult like what happened nearly 10 years ago.

[Luck4]

A world revamp is so hard ot pin down in terms of arguments for or against that I just don't worry about it.

After reading Ion's interview on Gamespot, I don't feel the need to argue about it anymore.

Even if it doesn't happen in 11.0, now we know they're not afraid of doing it.

[Cheezits]

I had a feeling it was coming, but I wonder if they'll add anything new to it or are they just going to repeat the same beats as previous expansions they are emulating?

I don't think anyone would want to get a repeat of Cata Heroics being nerfed to the ground to where it isn't as difficult like what happened nearly 10 years ago.

Probably minor changes and tweaks like with Wrath.

[PaladinBash]

>Archeology revamped to work like Secret of Azeroth, with multiple tools for multiple tasks.

Not gonna lie, that'd be a whole lot better than running around STV for 3 years trying to build Zin'rokh.

[Woggmer]

Probably minor changes and tweaks like with Wrath.

Yeeaaaaah... knowing that Classic Wrath didn't go further with Azjol Nerub or bring in that one scrapped Zul'Drak raid.

Makes it evident that they won't bring back the scrapped Abyssal Maw raid.

[Cheezits]

Yeeaaaaah... knowing that Classic Wrath didn't go further with Azjol Nerub or bring in that one scrapped Zul'Drak raid.

Makes it evident that they won't bring back the scrapped Abyssal Maw raid.

Emerald Dream zone makes it apparent that they would rather revisit old concepts in retail than do Classic 2.0.

[Reive]

SPOILERS FOR 10.2. DON'T OPEN IF YOU CARE

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...92360818851847

[Cheezits]

SPOILERS FOR 10.2. DON'T OPEN IF YOU CARE

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/sta...92360818851847

Titans who?

Also: IT'S OVER @Super Dickmann