The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Ersula]

Not really. While Jaina was a major part of BFA she wasn't the center of the expansion, that would be Anduin and Sylvanas. Now Sylvanas in Shadowlands was very important, but even here, they showcased her and not the Jailer or Bolvar who were also important aspects of the expansion.

Uh, I think Jaina got way more screentime than both Anduin & Sylvanas in BFA. When I think of BFA I think of Jaina & Saurfang.

Revamping old world just for an update on the leveling between 1 and 50. Just like Cataclysm did.

They just spent like a 100 hours of development time creating chromie time. A new leveling experience is the last thing the game needs. Leveling is currently the thing players complain about the least. If anything, a old world revamp would create a new version of it that is just for levels 70 - 80

[Cheezits]

I will say the Dragons don't get to do a lot of cool stuff in Dragon form. The only things that come to mind are the single Alex vs Raz cinematic, and the Ysera questline where she starts nuking everyone. If you're passively consuming Dragonflight by mostly watching cinematics, you do NOT see a lot of Dragons doing Dragon stuff in Dragon form.

[Teriz]

How many pages of undermine expansion are we gonna have lol. It's not happening

People need to get over their childish disdain for Goblins and Gnomes and understand that an Undermine expansion has as much chance as occurring than any other major expansion concept. Perhaps even moreso since Blizzard wanted it in vanilla, and has stated that they wanted Goblins to return to Undermine in the future.

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Uh, I think Jaina got way more screentime than both Anduin & Sylvanas in BFA. When I think of BFA I think of Jaina & Saurfang.

I don't. I think of Anduin and N'Zoth mostly. That said, BFA is a bad example because there were so many narratives going at once. A better example is Legion, since they used Gul'dan instead of Illidan. Having Illidan on the key art would have given away a ton, like a return of the burning legion and an incoming demon hunter class. Gul'dan was just ambiguous enough to keep people guessing, though him opening a portal to the Burning Legion on MU Azeroth was always a high possibility.

[Cheezits]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9M9TzGmyQc

Not sure how to read this, but maybe soft deconfirmation of a revamp next expansion. Also Classic+ hint?

I’m in the AAR waiting room “A Azeroth Reborn” that’s where my money is. Could be wrong. Between the graphics updates, quests reworks, professions reworks, Dragon riding being tested in Eastern Kingdoms & Kalimdor, UI overhaul, talent overhaul…seems like the writing is there just when it will be officially announced is another thing

Yeah not happening least not in retail =)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I will say the Dragons don't get to do a lot of cool stuff in Dragon form. The only things that come to mind are the single Alex vs Raz cinematic, and the Ysera questline where she starts nuking everyone. If you're passively consuming Dragonflight by mostly watching cinematics, you do NOT see a lot of Dragons doing Dragon stuff in Dragon form.

We got Kal vs Raz, Sabellian flying into help wrathions assault on the keep, Ebon horn getting speared, Fyrakk toasting moles, Norz chasing off Raz, and Mabye a couple more.

There is a pretty good amount of cinematic’s of dragons doing dragon stuff in dragon form.

[Teriz]

People need to get over their childish disdain for Goblins and Gnomes and understand that an Undermine expansion has as much chance as occurring than any other major expansion concept. Perhaps even moreso since Blizzard wanted it in vanilla, and has stated that they wanted Goblins to return to Undermine in the future.

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I don't. I think of Anduin and N'Zoth mostly. That said, BFA is a bad example because there were so many narratives going at once. A better example is Legion, since they used Gul'dan instead of Illidan. Having Illidan on the key art would have given away a ton, like a return of the burning legion and an incoming demon hunter class. Gul'dan was just ambiguous enough to keep people guessing, though him opening a portal to the Burning Legion on MU Azeroth was always a high possibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9M9TzGmyQc

Not sure how to read this, but maybe soft deconfirmation of a revamp next expansion.

Well that takes care of that.

[milkmustache]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9M9TzGmyQc

Not sure how to read this, but maybe soft deconfirmation of a revamp next expansion. Also Classic+ hint?

Didn't someone say Towellie has called expacs wrong in the future? I know he got the timing right for a 10.2 announcement, but I wouldn't put a ton of stock in what he has to say.

I think I'd read this more as WoW 2 is not happening, which doesn't rule out a revamp. I've never considered world revamp = WoW 2/Azeroth Reborn.

[Shadowferal]

Wanting a race to behave in a way that makes no logical sense for them to actually do is childish, if anything. Dragons are still fearsome creatures in WoW; they just aren't primal beasts. Your problem isn't that dragons are "human", your problem is that they aren't the edgy teenager's idea of imposing creatures.

You shouldn't be able to understand the motives of dragons.

[Nebron]

Revamping old world just for an update on the leveling between 1 and 50. Just like Cataclysm did.

Well that's kinda true, it all depends how much you get for new level range (endgame). But then again, they somewhat painted themselves into a corner by making leveling as fast as it is right now (something like 10-15hrs) . It's clear that people want to touch the endgame content asap, though, and nobody wants to spend 1-2 weeks of grinding, since hardly anyone has time for such commitment. But with 10-15hrs it's going to be hard to fully experience new content from revamp and it will require like 5 characters to go through all the stories. Not sure how they would manage that.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You shouldn't be able to understand the motives of dragons.

You didn’t understand that Ony was trying to take over stormwind? That Nef was trying to make a new more powerful kind of dragon? Those in AQ were trying to stop C’thun? Ect.

Dragons in wow have always been easily understandable.

[Teriz]

If he knows anything about 11.0 (and that's a huge if), then I don't see anything particularly earth-shattering (heh) about his statement. He's basically saying: We're going underground, not out to sea. And in the comments, he's saying: Classic will have a revamp (Cataclysm) but not retail.

I could see that as being perfectly legitimate.

Do I want a world revamp? Yes.

Do I think there's been a lot of work done to facilitate updates to Azeroth of some kind? Yes.

Would it make sense to do it on the 20th anniversary? Yes.

Does it have to happen on the 20th anniversary? No.

Is there a chance Blizzard might've updated assets simply to do a little HD refresh of what's already there, and perhaps a Classic+? Yes.

Could there be a revamp sometime in the near future instead, for example in 12.0 after we've saved the world-soul from the Void? Yes.

I wonder if Blizzard is going to expand support post-Augvoker. People speculated that they could add support specs to existing classes, but would Blizzard add a new class with a support spec in 11.0 right after Evokers? Perhaps a new class with a support spec for Mages, Hunters, and Shaman and a 4th role for group content.

[Shadowferal]

You didn’t understand that Ony was trying to take over stormwind? That Nef was trying to make a new more powerful kind of dragon? Those in AQ were trying to stop C’thun? Ect. Dragons in wow have always been easily understandable.

No.
They've only been written moronically.
A being that is far smarter and wiser should never have the concerns of an ant.

[Santandame]

Even Pandaria wasn't the entire expansion. Even if the expansion is literally called "World of Warcraft: Undermine" we're still going to be going to places outside of core expansion location, just like we do every expansion.

Yes it was, outside of the the Operation The Barrens content which was minuscule, the meat of MoP’s content was on Pandaria.

Yes we got Siege of Org; which started in the Vale and had four bosses there before moving onto Org. That part of the raid was integral to the overall story of the final raid.

[Teriz]

Yes it was, outside of the the Operation The Barrens content which was minuscule, the meat of MoP’s content was on Pandaria.

Yes we got Siege of Org; which started in the Vale and had four bosses there before moving onto Org. That part of the raid was integral to the overall story of the final raid.

We also got Isle of Thunder and the Timeless Isle.

[Santandame]

We also got Isle of Thunder and the Timeless Isle.

Which were, drum roll please…. part of Pandaria.

Shocked pikachu.

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Also, are we really at the point now that we are taking Towelie’s word on what next expansion is? Lol

[Teriz]

Which were, drum roll please…. part of Pandaria.

Shocked pikachu.

But not on the main continent of Pandaria. So if we're talking about an Undermine expansion, we could have locations outside of the actual main area similar to Isle of Thunder, the Timeless Isle, and even the Isle of Giants.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No.
They've only been written moronically.
A being that is far smarter and wiser should never have the concerns of an ant.

No you didn't understand them or no you did?

And beyond those example we also had Koristrasza caring about some undead working with Quilboars, Chromie helping put some ghost to rest, all of theses just in classic alone.

wow dragons have always had “concerns of an ant”.

[Santandame]

But not on the main continent of Pandaria. So if we're talking about an Undermine expansion, we could have locations outside of the actual main area similar to Isle of Thunder, the Timeless Isle, and even the Isle of Giants.

Oh come on, that’s total mental gymnastics. The Timeless Isle, Isle of Thunder and Isle of Giants are still a part of Pandaria whether they’re connected to the main landmass or not. That’s like saying the Isle of Wight isn’t apart of the UK.

I’ve no doubt if Undermine is the main setting that we wouldn’t explore elsewhere. I was just correcting you on saying that the Timeless Isle and Isle of Thunder weren’t Pandaria. They are.

[Teriz]

I mean, the character represents the theme, we don't really talk about its importance. I mean when you think about these characters you see directly what they represent

Illidan = Burning Legion, demon hunters, Gul'dan
Jaina = faction conflict and Kul'tiras
Sylvanas/Bolvar = death and Lich King (Zovaal)

Thrall is not there for nothing, it can't be Undermine because we don't think of that when we see him, but rather of the orcs, the elements, peace, Kalimdor etc.

So as much as I'd like Undermine, it's pretty sure it's not that

Remember, this is marketing. There is no sense in marketing to put a character that does not evoke the theme of expansion

Well again, Illidan wasn't in the key art pre-Legion announcement. Illidan is far more marketable than Gul'dan.

Also Thrall can relate to this because again he was the Earth warder, and Earth warders deal with the surface and underground of a planet. Again, consider that Neltharion was also the Earth warder and he's connected to Zaralek Carvern, an underground zone which Blizzard hinted was a precursor for future underground content.

Not to mention that Thrall and Gazlowe are pretty close friends.

[milkmustache]

Thrall is not there for nothing, it can't be Undermine because we don't think of that when we see him, but rather of the orcs, the elements, peace, Kalimdor etc.

So as much as I'd like Undermine, it's pretty sure it's not that

Remember, this is marketing. There is no sense in marketing to put a character that does not evoke the theme of expansion

And I think this is why so much of #TeamWorldRevamp is eager to jump and hope this is it, because Thrall represents Warcraft to a lot of people.