The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

So I'm just saying
Sargeras was a double agent

Literally nothing he did really "hurt" the Titans or Azeroth

Aside from destroying their physical bodies and torturing them for millenia, you mean? He quite literally hurt them. Pretty badly, too.

[Foolicious]

Yeah, for me NPC's always have some of the coolest armor pieces and the way they are done, textures, style used look awesome(for me like the fur texture made in Grommash armor, it looks natural and thick unlike most other "fur" models they used on armors).

Cosplay is popular IRL and in games, especially in mmos plus other big mmos out there have no problem with players having access to NPC set transmogs, so maybe at least blizzard will be more open now to at least giving NPC sets that are no longer used by them or npc's that died in the story.

Thats because npc's don't use player models. Most of the time they don't wear armor pieces, but the armor is part of their model which gives artists more freedom to create outstanding models. They also don't have to worry too much about clipping because they simply don't move as much and are not in your pov 24/7 when you play the game.

That being said; Give us npc armor! Elisande, Talanji, Greymane, Khadgar? I want all of them.

[Dracullus]

Any context behind this? Cause it's interesting only if there are any signs it's for October trading post.

[Lady Atia]

Thats because npc's don't use player models. Most of the time they don't wear armor pieces, but the armor is part of their model which gives artists more freedom to create outstanding models. They also don't have to worry too much about clipping because they simply don't move as much and are not in your pov 24/7 when you play the game.

That being said; Give us npc armor! Elisande, Talanji, Greymane, Khadgar? I want all of them.

Tbf, that was an excuse back than but these days players armours can be as detailed as most if not all NPC armour out there.

[Sondrelk]

Tbf, that was an excuse back than but these days players armours can be as detailed as most if not all NPC armour out there.

That still leaves the issue that players can have all kinds of different body types that the transmlg needs to work with, which means ensuring the 3D elements are attached and scaled properly.

[huth]

Tbf, that was an excuse back than but these days players armours can be as detailed as most if not all NPC armour out there.

Not quite. Being part of the model, not just seperate 3d pieces, does make a difference in how they can be animated since you know it will always be present. That can't really be fixed through tech.

[Lolites]

Cool idea… but it would mean the extinction of all life on the planet so… hope not lol.

would it though? Argus was awakened and killed and the planet is not worse than before...

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Give us npc armor! Elisande, Talanji, Greymane, Khadgar? I want all of them.

hope Talanji armor comes with extra neck brace for that crown

[Raetary]

would it though? Argus was awakened and killed and the planet is not worse than before...

People keep saying this, but entirely ingnore that Argus wasn't born at all.
We teleported him and the rest of the Pantheon to their Seat, and then Sargeras unleashd him on us.

We have absolutely no idea what the birth of a Titan actually entails.

That said, Blizzard isn't gonna destroy Azeroth.
They'll just write in whatever scenario or mcguffin to prevent that, either she just seeps out of the planet and forms the nebula-esque appearance Sargeras had or we pull another Argus and teleport her soul of the planets core.

[username993720]

He's born after the battle for hyjal, so he's 19.

Night elves are extremely long lived. At this age, he wouldn't even have weaned off diapers.

[Alanar]

Tbh, I hope the Sylvanas, Logosh and Dreadlord sets are the first wave of things reacting to the feedback that we want (full) transmog that match lore characters, and all are part of the trading post. I don't want this to be an one and done promotion, I want things like Jaina's armour, the doomarmour or even a dreadlord tint that matches Kin'tessa's. Just let me be the cosplay girl I always wanted to be haha.

Now they just need to give us hair under hoods or any hats really and let quivers en cloak at the same time for example. Just for example.

[micwini]

Looks like the "terrarium" is Naga themed.

How funny would it be if Towellie meant UNDER the water?

INV_Cape_Special_Terrarium_C_01 is what the file is called.
What if its not referring to cape as in backslot, but actually cape of stranglethorn? Maybe some coastal coral reef in addition to the one up north.
Could maybe be used in that naga area in southern stranglethorn

[Raetary]

Night elves are extremely long lived. At this age, he wouldn't even have weaned off diapers.

They are long lived, but they age just as humans do.

"Adulthood" to them is past age 20, as per the Illidan novel.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Thats because npc's don't use player models. Most of the time they don't wear armor pieces, but the armor is part of their model which gives artists more freedom to create outstanding models. They also don't have to worry too much about clipping because they simply don't move as much and are not in your pov 24/7 when you play the game.

That being said; Give us npc armor! Elisande, Talanji, Greymane, Khadgar? I want all of them.

Oh yeah totally, there are some npc's that would probably make it very hard to be accessible for all races but there are some that they can break into different armor pieces fitting the playable model, such as this datamined, older sylvanas set.

From the top of my head i don't really remember now which npc armor set would be impossible to break into player armor pieces, but i think with most of them it's doable - especially orcs, elves and humans, minus some npcs - for greymane it would probable be a problem because of the coat on top of his outfit.

[Lolites]

People keep saying this, but entirely ingnore that Argus wasn't born at all.
We teleported him and the rest of the Pantheon to their Seat, and then Sargeras unleashd him on us.
We have absolutely no idea what the birth of a Titan actually entails.

well he wasnt asleep or just sitting/lying there, he was fighting, so as far as we can say he DID awaken...

will the awakening of azeroth be the same? we dont know, so saying it will kill all life on azeroth is a GUESS which is in direct contradiction of only planet and awakened titan we know of, no matter how different the situation might be...
if we get some other information well see, but for now awakening of titan doesnt kill all life on planet as per Argus

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Night elves are extremely long lived. At this age, he wouldn't even have weaned off diapers.

werent tyrande/malfurion/ilidan roughly that age at the events of War of the Ancients?

nelfs are immortal but i dont think we have anything pointing they grow up slower

[huth]

well he wasnt asleep or just sitting/lying there, he was fighting, so as far as we can say he DID awaken...

At the seat, yes. Before that, when we were still on Argus, he was in fact just "sitting" there - Argus is that greenish blue nebula behind Aggramar's boss arena.

The fact that we have never seen or even heard of a proper Titan birth also works to Blizzard's favour here. They can make it pretty much whatever they want it to be, since it's a wholly unknown process.

[Raetary]

well he wasnt asleep or just sitting/lying there, he was fighting, so as far as we can say he DID awaken...

He awoke once he got to the Seat.
Before that he was literally just sitting there, in the same state as Azeroth currently is, getting tormented by the Legion.

His awakening is not an example of a titans birth and its effect on the planet, because the circumstances around his awakening are completely detached from the planet he was incubating in! (i.e he was not inside the planet when he awoke)

That is my point.

[Shadowferal]

Night elves are extremely long lived. At this age, he wouldn't even have weaned off diapers.

For my own narrative, I'd use somewhere close to 30yrs of age for reaching the majority. (The tradeoff for me are the children they don't have. They aren't as fecund as some races)

[Ersula]

He awoke once he got to the Seat.
Before that he was literally just sitting there, in the same state as Azeroth currently is, getting tormented by the Legion.

His awakening is not an example of a titans birth and its effect on the planet, because the circumstances around his awakening are completely detached from the planet he was incubating in! (i.e he was not inside the planet when he awoke)

That is my point.

But why are you assuming there is a natural form of birth for a world soul? I know that's what we all assumed for a long time, but its never referenced in canon, beyond Magni sometimes referring to Azeroth as "unborn" or "natal" but we now know that might just be the titan's perspective & a declaration of their goals. But nothing in the franchise has actually described a process of a planet naturally progressing into another form.

If what we see in Zereth Mortis is any indication, it seems more likely that the First Ones manually extracted the Titan's world souls from their respective planets, then implanted them in constructed bodies. And that the Titan's plan was to make a body for Azeroth then harvest it, and that Sargeras already did that for Argus. That means Azeroth's natural form is a planet and unless some other cosmic force intervenes, it will stay that way.

Night elves are extremely long lived. At this age, he wouldn't even have weaned off diapers.

That's not how any of this works. Lysander directly states he was born after the Battle for Hyjal, which honestly the Warcraft 3 name for that battle, Twilight of the Gods, is a much better name for that historical event. And without the world tree, we can assume a Night Elf's natural lifespan is anywhere between 300 and 1000 years, like a High Elf.

[Magistrate]

Night elves are extremely long lived. At this age, he wouldn't even have weaned off diapers.

Some fantasy has long lived creatures experience adulescence in the same developmental timeframe as humans but stretch out adulthood, and some other fantasy works to your point just expand all developmental periods proportionately (eg, a child being 80).

I think I've seen evidence for both in WoW because of how old it is and how many different cooks are in the kitchen.

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He did stab Azeroth with a pretty big sword, supposedly injuring her badly given all the Azerite.

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It's interesting this is called a terrarium instead of an aquarium. It looks like it has water, so it could just be a mistake. But still. A terrarium is a sealed container in which plants grow in a closed eco-system.

Sounds kind of like an underground cave full of life, doesn't it!

Seriously though, this is an interesting item. It's a backpiece, and it wouldn't surprise me terribly if it was a reward for buying the BlizzCon virtual ticket thingie, or pre-ordering the expansion.



Maybe the seafloor is where the expansion is set?

Means the koi fish is back in action, too.

Naga hype!

I'm now wondering if this backpack might just be a reward somehow tied to the revamp of throne of the tides or mythic season 3.

[Well Done Steak]

Anyone else think they might be setting up lightlord ragnaros from HS.

It's sus that we helped establish a new Firelord, only for us to stomp it out a few years later. Like what's the point? We gonna go through fire lords like we went through horde warchiefs now??