The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Skildar]

Do you think we're aiming at an October 11th/18th release then?

As @dCaptain pointed out there is planned raid testing on the 13th of October :/

So the strongest bet is patch release after Hallow's End on October 31st-November 1st

[Lady Atia]

End of season warnings usually only come two weeks before the season ends. Even assuming only six weeks or whatever of 10.1.7 that still leaves a week or two before we should expect an end of season announcement.

I'm quite sure that last season they did announce the release date like 4-6 weeks early.

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As @dCaptain pointed out there is planned raid testing on the 13th of October :/

So the strongest bet is patch release after Hallow's End on October 31st-November 1st

Yeah, with the raid releasing after Blizzcon so they can focus on life tuning.

[Skildar]

Yeah, with the raid releasing after Blizzcon so they can focus on life tuning.

I'm thinking they will want latest story bits and raid conclusion in players hands before blizzcon

[Nymrohd]

I'd expect it as soon as Turbulent Timeways end or maybe even the week after.

[Worldshaper]

I'm thinking they will want latest story bits and raid conclusion in players hands before blizzcon

Hopefully no secret Mythic phase reveals.

[Lady Atia]

I'm thinking they will want latest story bits and raid conclusion in players hands before blizzcon

Why? Most times they announce the new Expansion before the last raid is finished, there is literally no need to squeeze the patch in too early.

[Fahrad Wagner]

As @dCaptain pointed out there is planned raid testing on the 13th of October :/

So the strongest bet is patch release after Hallow's End on October 31st-November 1st

That was my thoughts as well, but then how do we explain Hallow's End assets in 10.2 not present in 10.1.7?

[Nymrohd]

Hopefully no secret Mythic phase reveals.

I like these kind of phases, I just don't get why they have to be Mythic only. As long as they don't completely change the story like Highmaul, they are OK with me. I'd just have them be available at least in Heroic as well.

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That was my thoughts as well, but then how do we explain Hallow's End assets in 10.2 not present in 10.1.7?

They can always be applied by hotfix.

[Fahrad Wagner]

They can always be applied by hotfix.

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification

[Lady Atia]

Ah ok, thanks for the clarification

Yeah either that or we just won't see them until next year, which as I said earlier happened with some vinter weil stuff already in the past.

[Hitei]

I like these kind of phases, I just don't get why they have to be Mythic only. As long as they don't completely change the story like Highmaul, they are OK with me. I'd just have them be available at least in Heroic as well..

But I mean... if they're not mythic only they aren't really secret or special phases. It'd just be that it's a five phase fight instead of a four or whatever, and would read as LFR and normal just being nerfed by removing a phase.

[Nymrohd]

But I mean... if they're not mythic only they aren't really secret or special phases. It'd just be that it's a five phase fight instead of a four or whatever, and would read as LFR and normal just being nerfed by removing a phase.

By that I mean phases that completely transform the fight. Usually these secret phases have completely different mechanics and significant alterations. Ragnaros, Sha of Fear or Garrosh' hidden phases just work very differently to the rest of their fights and imo with fights meant to be that long, I appreciate adding new mechanics to simply forcing us to face significantly crazier overlaps (which often means the fight changes completely as your gear improves). You are right that they'd stop being hidden then. I just think that some times Heroic doesn't really get interesting mechanics because they are reserved for Mythic only while more forgiving versions of those mechanics could absolutely work on Heroic as well.

[Berkilak]

So I’ve been more-or-less completely disengaged with WoW for the past few months. Anything interesting pop up in the interim that I wouldn’t find on the main page or Wowhead?

[Skildar]

I like these kind of phases, I just don't get why they have to be Mythic only. As long as they don't completely change the story like Highmaul, they are OK with me. I'd just have them be available at least in Heroic as well.

It was very regrettable what they did with Cho'gall in non-mythic Highmaul. One of the best use of mythic only phase to me was Argus in which they redefined half the fight for a challenge that works very well and does not betray the story or didn't feel forced. I could very well see something similar being applied to Fyrakk.

P.S.: Argus mythic phase was badly used in Shadowlands in my opinion. I would have preferred them not using the red form

[Hitei]

By that I mean phases that completely transform the fight. Usually these secret phases have completely different mechanics and significant alterations. Ragnaros, Sha of Fear or Garrosh' hidden phases just work very differently to the rest of their fights and imo with fights meant to be that long, I appreciate adding new mechanics to simply forcing us to face significantly crazier overlaps (which often means the fight changes completely as your gear improves). You are right that they'd stop being hidden then. I just think that some times Heroic doesn't really get interesting mechanics because they are reserved for Mythic only while more forgiving versions of those mechanics could absolutely work on Heroic as well.

I'm not against more variation within fights, though I feel like there's a threshold at which it sort of stops feeling like a fight and more like a series of different encounters chained together because phases are so completely different. I feel (entirely conjecture) like this sort of thing also contributes to a fight feeling "long" or really arduous when doing progression pulls, like there's "more" to get through even if the time and mechanical complexity is similar on a straightforward attack the boss fight.

[Sondrelk]

So I’ve been more-or-less completely disengaged with WoW for the past few months. Anything interesting pop up in the interim that I wouldn’t find on the main page or Wowhead?

Probably not? Not sure when 10.1.5 came out with Augmentation Evoker. But most of the important bits have been story stuff.

[Nymrohd]

I'm not against more variation within fights, though I feel like there's a threshold at which it sort of stops feeling like a fight and more like a series of different encounters chained together because phases are so completely different. I feel (entirely conjecture) like this sort of thing also contributes to a fight feeling "long" or really arduous when doing progression pulls, like there's "more" to get through even if the time and mechanical complexity is similar on a straightforward attack the boss fight.

Honestly I think they should reuse the Sha of Fear mechanic (where you get a shortened version of the early phases once you complete the first one)
I do wonder if they could split a fight into two encounters and if it would work well.

[Jaggler]

Honestly I think they should reuse the Sha of Fear mechanic (where you get a shortened version of the early phases once you complete the first one)
I do wonder if they could split a fight into two encounters and if it would work well.

Deathwing?

Maybe N'zoth with the Carapace and "Core" of N'zoth seperated into two fights.

[Nymrohd]

Deathwing?

Maybe N'zoth with the Carapace and "Core" of N'zoth seperated into two fights.

Yeah I'd agree there (more for N'zoth, Deathwing was really two separate fights while N'zoth was very much two parts of a continuous fight). Though I found both were disappointing. Still I don't think either was disappointing because it was split.

[Berkilak]

Probably not? Not sure when 10.1.5 came out with Augmentation Evoker. But most of the important bits have been story stuff.

Thanks. Seems like a slow season for “leaks” and data mining.