The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Magistrate]

I've wondered this.

For the Pantheon's case, Norgannon's spell saved their spirits after Sargeras mollywhopped them. If not for that spell... they would have been perma-killed...?

My guess is that there would just be another mcguffin magic rule that basically does the same thing. If demons get reborn in the Twisting Nether, elementals get reborn in their planes, etc. etc. I'd assume there's some analog for Titans.


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..but Sargeras killed Aggramar waaaaaay before the events of "Legion" and Aggramar returned twisted during the Antorus raid. Is it possible you cannot kill a titan soul so easily? Is it possible Sargeras used a similar spell to save Aggramar's soul to (at that time) save and use at a later time?

He captured Aggramar's soul, corrupted it and put it into an avatar. Idk if his soul floated around in space for a while (I wouldn't think so since Norgannon cast his spell after his death) or if he captured his soul as he died somehow. Maybe something to do with his sword sort--maybe it works sort of like Frostmourne. Idk.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Azshara was interesting in BFA because we never fought her before. That time has passed, and that same level of interest is simply gone.

We kinda did fight her in Well of Eternity.

[huth]

We kinda did fight her in Well of Eternity.

Where we didn't even have the option of attacking her directly despite her being right in front of us. We also no longer have the Heart of Azeroth empowering us.

For that matter, nothing's stopping her from throwing new threats at us. Teriz is really not thinking this through with that assumption that it would have to be another Eternal Palace final boss fight.

[Revamp Man]

We kinda did fight her in Well of Eternity.

And we fought the same bosses multiple times as well

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All outdoor content gear is getting boosted
No 10.3 bois LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!

[Joszef Kiprich]

And we fought the same bosses multiple times as well

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All outdoor content gear is getting boosted
No 10.3 bois LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!

Merely a setback...

[Ersula]

He captured Aggramar's soul, corrupted it and put it into an avatar. Idk if his soul floated around in space for a while (I wouldn't think so since Norgannon cast his spell after his death) or if he captured his soul as he died somehow. Maybe something to do with his sword sort--maybe it works sort of like Frostmourne. Idk.

You're arguing semantics. He destroyed his body, which allowed him to capture his soul: That's "killing" a Titan. For everything else that lives, destroying your body is what killing is. Though different from what we did to Argus, which actually killed him, which was never supposed to happen & allowed the Jailer's plot to set into motion.

[Teriz]

We kinda did fight her in Well of Eternity.

Kind of. Her big opportunity was in BFA, and Blizzard made her the top of a raid. You don't get more exposure than that. It's silly to believe that they'll make her top of a raid again.

[Mecheon]

Like in Cataclysm when we ran through Throne of Tides and Vashj'ir where Azshara was an omnipresent threat?

Again, we've done this before. There's nothing new at the bottom of this well.

She could easily come up with new schemes for us to stop, or team up with the other various 'still kicking' characters to have 'A villain we've faced before and understand the motive of' after everyone's favourite shirtless man, the Jailer, got dunked on that hard.

"Cracks open time portal to Ancient Kalimdor" is my preferred on that, but there's always others. Like her pulling a Bowser and going to go capture Sargeras, bringing along the various Titan hating folks out there to go break some Titan kneecaps while she steals away with him. Heck, Hearthstone which you bring up a lot, loves the "Minor villains form their whole Legion of Doom thing". This is just that on a bigger scale. Iridikron and Knaifu are easy ins on this, Denathrius can come along for fun, probably an easily duped demon lord or two they can use as a patsy, heck, even bring Rafaam himself over

[Nightshade711]

Shocked there’s no scaleface leaks yet. Or really any credible leaks in general.

[huth]

Kind of. Her big opportunity was in BFA, and Blizzard made her the top of a raid. You don't get more exposure than that. It's silly to believe that they'll make her top of a raid again.

Archimonde and Kil'jaeden say hi.

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Yeah, basically this. When I say "A group of Gods", I mean it like that lol.

Also, the Death Pantheon did KIND OF have a hierarchy. The Arbiter was still the main guy/girl the Death Pantheon went to during meetings and whatnot, and he/she was considered to be the "top ruler" of Death itself, or at least that's how Zovaal saw it. The Void Lords MAY have some form of power gap to them (Much like the Outer Gods), but it's not like there is an established hierarchy to them...much like the Outer Gods, funny enougb lol. Azathoth doesn't answer to Yog-Sothoth, or vice versa, so I doubt the Void Lords are much different.

I wouldn't say the Arbiter was the top, it's more that they had a method of talking to each other without all having to walk there first which happened to be installed in the Arbiter's room.

[Hitei]

Shocked there’s no scaleface leaks yet. Or really any credible leaks in general.

Actual leaks tend to only happen in the <10-14 days leading up to an announcement.

[Woggmer]

You should read that wowhead article again - the ICONS name is Ragnaros heart, but the actual item its used for is called "Fyrakk's Tainted Rageheart" and drops from, you guessed it, Fyrakk.

Blizz often reuses icons for different items, spells, and even achievement icons. It may just be for a trinket for one thing, but it can be used for OTHER items as well.

Plus, what I said is just pure speculation... the icon may not have anything to do with what I said, but the possibility of Iridikron corrupting the elementals with void is still on the table.

[Hitei]

Blizz often reuses icons for different items, spells, and even achievement icons. It may just be for a trinket for one thing, but it can be used for OTHER items as well.

Plus, what I said is just pure speculation... the icon may not have anything to do with what I said, but the possibility of Iridikron corrupting the elementals with void is still on the table.

I think you're misunderstanding what it's happening here a bit.


This IS the reuse. It's called Ragnaros Heart because it's just a recolor of the existing icon "Inv_ragnaros_heart"



So for the sake of organization they made the name also just a modified version of the original. Much like how this icon, used by channel demonfire (and other things):



is "spell_fire_ragnaros_lababoltgreen"

Not because Rag might be fel corrupted, but because it's a recolor of this icon:



"spell_fire_ragnaros_lavabolt",

[Well Done Steak]

I definitely think raggy is coming back. The dwarf guy who was trying to rez him escaped and now smoldy is kicking the bucket.

For sure he'll be back as the light lord as part of the light vs void theme for 11.0

[Magistrate]

You're arguing semantics. He destroyed his body, which allowed him to capture his soul: That's "killing" a Titan. For everything else that lives, destroying your body is what killing is. Though different from what we did to Argus, which actually killed him, which was never supposed to happen & allowed the Jailer's plot to set into motion.

1. Revamp said here that Sargeras is a "double agent" and that he didn't do anything to "hurt the other Titans."

2. Huth replied here (correctly) that Sargeras absolutely did hurt the Titans. A lot. He 1) destroyed their bodies and 2) enslaved their souls and tortured them. These are both facts.

3. Revamp replied here that "he didn't destroy them." Huth only said that Sargeras destroyed their bodies, they didn't say that Sargeras killed them. So Revamp both misunderstood Huth and is also wrong.

4. I replied to Revamp pointing out that the story literally says Sargeras destroyed their bodies and captured their souls.

To reiterate: I did not say, and Huth did not say, "kill" or make any determination whatsoever with regards to death of Titans. We are not talking about that as a subject. No one is except you and Revamp, who newly introduced it at the end of this quote chain by changing the topic. The original thing Huth and Revamp were talking about was whether Sargeras did or did not harm the other Titans in a meaningful way. Revamp said they did not harm them significantly because Sargeras is secretly a double agent. Huth said Sargeras absolutely did significant harm to them in very specific and total ways. Revamp responded and changed the subject.

If you would like me to talk about it: Yes, Sargeras obviously killed Agrammar. That is the word that is used in the lore about the action that occurred. I would also agree that Sargeras "killed" the other Titans in the sense you state. I do not disagree with you whatsoever and no one in this quote chain said otherwise.

[Vlyse]

The next and final piece before the Harbinger completes the final prophecy (Hour of Twilight?) and completes the awakening is that “a dark heart left broken awaits the taking.”

Fyrakk’s heart has a name? Could be something, or could be nothing. But if it is something, it definitely wouldn’t be the first time story was teased in a piece of loot.

[Nightshade711]

Kind of. Her big opportunity was in BFA, and Blizzard made her the top of a raid. You don't get more exposure than that. It's silly to believe that they'll make her top of a raid again.

Archimonde x2, Kil’jaeden x2.
Kel’thuzad x3.
Technically Sylvanas x2.
Technically Onyxia x3
Nefarian x2
And…
Ragnaros x2, who we’re seeing get name dropped and discussed returning (again) in this very thread.

The list goes on with historical examples that disprove your statement.

[Ersula]

The next and final piece before the Harbinger completes the final prophecy (Hour of Twilight?) and completes the awakening is that “a dark heart left broken awaits the taking.”

The Dark Heart was the Void Artifact. As Iridikron explained in DoTI, the prophecy is already complete. All he needs now is to wait for the Harbinger to arrive on Azeroth.

If Void Lords & the other cosmic forces could just teleport to azeroth instantly they would. But its not that easy: The Legion needed those warp keys, or a portal. The prophesy exists because they're not going to come if the Titans protections are just going to destroy them the instant they arrive: The artifact is supposed to signal a time in which the planet is vulnerable & the Titans are unprepared. Considering the Dragons are disempowered & the Titans are stuck keeping Sargeras in check, now would be the time.

[KainneAbsolute]

Dark hear of Azeroth? does it mean that we are going to be called CHAMPIONNSSSS again??? hahah

[Phunkle]

I'm curious where they are going to put Amirdrassil, after it has been pulled from the Emerald Dream. Maybe we do get rid of the Sword in Silithus after all and the tree will be placed there to close the wound.