The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

Since discussion is slowing down, let me remind everyone once again of the biggest on the nose hint, yet least talked about....

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Melinor

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11.0 is light vs void.

[Villager720]

This. Im still pretty sad that Vashj'ir was received so negatively that weve never gotten a full underwater zone ever since. I personally really enjoyed it, the theme, the story, the visuals, the atmosphere, it was pretty fckn cool and different.
Vashj'ir felt more like what Nazjatar was supposed to be than Nazjatar itself did when we finally saw it. The Nazjatar we got ingame felt less like the grand hidden empire of the Naga and more like a random sunken elven village. That thing was Azsharas legendary domain? This was the Nagas home they raved about for all these years?

I'm always confused that people so hated Vashj'ir - and yes I leveled through it on a melee class. I also get that it wasn't the fastest leveling track, but can anyone actually say they enjoyed leveling in Hyjal?
To me Vashj'ir was and remains one of the best zones from an ...immersion... perspective and the story was fairly compelling (especially compared to most end-game Cata zones). On my first play through, the first time my toon finally surfaced again hours after entry will always be one of my "oh man this has been wild" WoW moments.

[milkmustache]

Since discussion is slowing down, let me remind everyone once again of the biggest on the nose hint, yet least talked about....

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Melinor

Scroll a bit down to read the conversation.

11.0 is light vs void.

I don't think this means 11.0, but quite possibly 12.0 or 13.0. There's been a lot of void set up, but I don't think we're completely there with the light setup in order to give it a 11.0 feature. Sure, Yrel in BFA is a hint, but compared to all of the void corruption in DF, it still seems a bit early. But then again, that kinda tracks for how the last few expacs have introduced conflict unfortunately.

[Shadowferal]

To me Vashj'ir was and remains one of the best zones from an ...immersion... perspective and the story was fairly compelling (especially compared to most end-game Cata zones). On my first play through, the first time my toon finally surfaced again hours after entry will always be one of my "oh man this has been wild" WoW moments.

Fully agree.
I was inspired later on to add it on my list for rewriting...revising..fan-fic, whatever. (My ideas however aren't friendly at all to the "gasbags" above water) Although I think the "Visions of the Past" could've been better written, it was amazing nonetheless to me.
The whole of it

[Swnem]

I still expect it not to be a world revamp as that would be extremely boring.

Hoping it's the leak of the first flesh children or whatever it is. I would like to go underground with more variety and secrets than Zaralek caverns and hopefully a new class that shall not be named. Could see pretty good stories of the curse of flesh vs titan forces war going underground and it makes sense to follow up on that as Iridikron wants to undermine the titan creation.

[Alanar]

Fully agree.
I was inspired later on to add it on my list for rewriting...revising..fan-fic, whatever. (My ideas however aren't friendly at all to the "gasbags" above water) Although I think the "Visions of the Past" could've been better written, it was amazing nonetheless to me.
The whole of it

This zone and story was/is also one of my personal favorites. It managed to capture the dangers of the dark below, but also had a good story.

I neverunderstood the 4d sickness people seemed to be having at the time. Silly.

[Well Done Steak]

I don't think this means 11.0, but quite possibly 12.0 or 13.0. There's been a lot of void set up, but I don't think we're completely there with the light setup in order to give it a 11.0 feature. Sure, Yrel in BFA is a hint, but compared to all of the void corruption in DF, it still seems a bit early. But then again, that kinda tracks for how the last few expacs have introduced conflict unfortunately.

It has to be. The void build up has gone on long enough. We don't need the same set up for the light since then it'd be too obvious.

Plus I think the light has enough set up anyway. It's not just Yrel, it's also the Illidan xera incident and the light incursion in Revendreth.

[milkmustache]

It has to be. The void build up has gone on long enough. We don't need the same set up for the light since then it'd be too obvious.

Plus I think the light has enough set up anyway. It's not just Yrel, it's also the Illidan xera incident and the light incursion in Revendreth.

But doesn't it just feel out of nowhere? I really agree that there has been so much void buildup, especially considering that is most likely where Iridikron's bargains lie, but for a full scale Light and Void conflict to emerge on Azeroth post Dragonflight, post Amirdrassil just feels improper. It doesn't feel deserved yet.

All in my opinion, of course.

[Well Done Steak]

But doesn't it just feel out of nowhere? I really agree that there has been so much void buildup, especially considering that is most likely where Iridikron's bargains lie, but for a full scale Light and Void conflict to emerge on Azeroth post Dragonflight, post Amirdrassil just feels improper. It doesn't feel deserved yet.

All in my opinion, of course.

Well that's why we need a good segue, maybe Yrel could appear in 2.7? Then try to appeal to the forces of azeroth only for it to fall apart in 11.0 pre patch due to Turalyon being married to a Velf and Yrel's zealotry.

Imagine something like this...

The light bound kidnap Alleria and locus walker and Hijack the Vindecaar.

AU paladin Gary, being the horde ambassador, steals the power of the sunwell to take on their expedition to karesh. Lorthemar is killed in the fight.

The LB then use locus walker to head to Karesh to finish off the void by exploring a rift led by dimensius.

[Worldshaper]

It has to be. The void build up has gone on long enough. We don't need the same set up for the light since then it'd be too obvious.

Plus I think the light has enough set up anyway. It's not just Yrel, it's also the Illidan xera incident and the light incursion in Revendreth.

The Light isn't an antagonistic force to Azeroth. Disorder, Death, and Shadow are (or at least have been in the story). That's why those three are the ones that have gotten the spotlight in Legion, Shadowlands, and 11.0.

Order, Life, and Light just sort of appear when it suits the story. Not because they have to face their cosmic counterpart.

Usually they team up a bit. For example the Titans and the Army of the Light in Legion, or the Titan Keepers and the Guardians of the Emerald Dream in Dragonflight. In Shadowlands, Life was kind of represented in Ardenweald with the quests surrounding the World Tree and Elune, and the theme of rebirth. But not that much as a fighting force against Death.

You are unlikely to see a pure "Light vs. Shadow All-out cosmic war" expansion anytime soon.

As I mentioned in my post last page, when we face the Void in 11.0, we will likely do so with the Titans and the Dragons at our side, as well as maybe the Elements.

[Nymrohd]

But doesn't it just feel out of nowhere? I really agree that there has been so much void buildup, especially considering that is most likely where Iridikron's bargains lie, but for a full scale Light and Void conflict to emerge on Azeroth post Dragonflight, post Amirdrassil just feels improper. It doesn't feel deserved yet.

All in my opinion, of course.

Sure there has been so much Void Buildup. Because it got Void Relief back in BfA when we killed N'zoth. Let things breathe a bit. And not breath Shadowflame, another Void plot that was central to the previous patch and will be important this patch as well. People are acting as if we are getting these hints about the Void that have led to nothing even though we have had multiple content patches were the Void was either front and center or an important plot element.

[Well Done Steak]

The Light isn't an antagonistic force to Azeroth. Disorder, Death, and Shadow are (or at least have been in the story). That's why those three are the ones that have gotten the spotlight in Legion, Shadowlands, and 11.0.

Order, Life, and Light just sort of appear when it suits the story. Not because they have to face their cosmic counterpart.

Usually they team up a bit. For example the Titans and the Army of the Light in Legion, or the Titan Keepers and the Guardians of the Emerald Dream in Dragonflight. In Shadowlands, Life was kind of represented in Ardenweald with the quests surrounding the World Tree and Elune, and the theme of rebirth. But not that much as a fighting force against Death.

You are unlikely to see a pure "Light vs. Shadow All-out cosmic war" expansion anytime soon.

As I mentioned in my post last page, when we face the Void in 11.0, we will likely do so with the Titans and the Dragons at our side, as well as maybe the Elements.

Not to azeroth, but the light has its own interests that may not necessarily line up with ours as you saw with Illidan and the maghar.

The light is very narrow minded. We arent.

The light may attempt to throw off the cosmic scales just like death did. That's not good for us.

If they find a weakness in the void, the light will innately try to stomp the void out.

[Teriz]

Since discussion is slowing down, let me remind everyone once again of the biggest on the nose hint, yet least talked about....

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Melinor

Scroll a bit down to read the conversation.

11.0 is light vs void.

I interpreted that conversation to mirror the general expectation of Light vs Void among players, and the general assumption that one is always a force of good and the other is always a force of evil. Even to the point where we think that the void being an expansion antagonist is a given, and not believing that the light can be a corruptible force.

It’s almost like Blizzard is saying “You think you know where this road leads, but you really have no idea.”

[Cheezits]

Does anyone think we'll be able to become Dragonsworn by the end of the expansion? I think it's kind of wild that the Timewalkers are featured so prominently in 10.1.5 but they aren't at all joinable.

[Well Done Steak]

I interpreted that conversation to mirror the general expectation of Light vs Void among players, and the general assumption that one is always a force of good and the other is always a force of evil. Even to the point where we think that the void being an expansion antagonist is a given, and not believing that the light can be a corruptible force.

It’s almost like Blizzard is saying “You think you know where this road leads, but you really have no idea.”

That biggles my mind why some players detest the idea of the light being antagonistic. Not like it's foreign in wow anyway, we've had the scarlets since vanilla.

There's soooo much potential.

[Nymrohd]

That biggles my mind why some players detest the idea of the light being antagonistic. Not like it's foreign in wow anyway, we've had the scarlets since vanilla.

There's soooo much potential.

I think people don't have as much an issue with Light being a villain as with "The Light is all Nazis and Turalyon is a fascist zealot". There is a middle ground like "X'era is an absolutist" and "What Yrel has done in Draenor is definitely problematic but there is probably a lot more to the story than one side has given us"

[milkmustache]

Does anyone think we'll be able to become Dragonsworn by the end of the expansion? I think it's kind of wild that the Timewalkers are featured so prominently in 10.1.5 but they aren't at all joinable.

As in swear allegiance to a flight?

[huth]

Not to azeroth, but the light has its own interests that may not necessarily line up with ours as you saw with Illidan and the maghar.

The light is very narrow minded. We arent.

The light may attempt to throw off the cosmic scales just like death did. That's not good for us.

If they find a weakness in the void, the light will innately try to stomp the void out.

And should we be in the way of that by accident, they'll probably assure us that they'll be feeling very sorry about it afterwards. Followed by a lot of screaming and a bunch of angry Azerothians invading the Lightlands.

[Z3ROR]

I think a void expansion would be cool. Its theme could be also around Sargeras' Sword in Silithus. Sargeras was defeated by the void, i thought. So the Void could be the answer to get the sword away from Silithus. Of course all things goed terribly wrong and the void uses the sword in their advantage. Maybe the Qiraji and/or other Aqir races could be involved too. That sword not only impaled Silithus, but also went through the Qiraji tunnels below the surface. So they must be pissed off as well. And with Iridikron going into the void that could bring us a very interesting expansion i guess.

[Nymrohd]

And should we be in the way of that by accident, they'll probably assure us that they'll be feeling very sorry about it afterwards. Followed by a lot of screaming and a bunch of angry Azerothians invading the Lightlands.

Yeah every major threat attacks one zone, maybe will kill one npc or two and then we genocide their entire realm of existence because we absolutely do proportional reactions on Azeroth