The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

This is where the handshake meme comes in. Revamp with Undermine as a zone would be incredible. Undermine as an entire expansion, don't think it's possible.

Even Pandaria wasn't the entire expansion. Even if the expansion is literally called "World of Warcraft: Undermine" we're still going to be going to places outside of core expansion location, just like we do every expansion.

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If this was an Undermine expansion, we would have had a goblin, maybe Gallywix, instead of Thrall on the BlizzCon poster
Don't forget that he represents the theme of the next expansion as Illidan, Jaina and Sylavanas/Bolvar were before
You all seem to underestimate him for some reason :/

Not really. While Jaina was a major part of BFA she wasn't the center of the expansion, that would be Anduin and Sylvanas. Now Sylvanas in Shadowlands was very important, but even here, they showcased her and not the Jailer or Bolvar who were also important aspects of the expansion.

It's entirely possible that Thrall plays a huge part in this expansion and we still go into the Undermine. Elemental stuff still relates to underground/center of the planet content. Just like Neltharion was the Earthwarder and he had an underground citadel in Zaralek Caverns.

Blizzard could have viewed Gallywix or Gazlowe on the key art as too much of a giveaway, just like they put Gul'dan on the key art for pre-Legion announcement instead of Illidan who ended up on the cover.

[huth]

That's what happens when you insert identity politics bullshit into a video game.

What, because an intelligent and ancient species that was specificially charged with protecting the planet isn't behaving like mindless animals?

[Shadowferal]

What, because an intelligent and ancient species that was specificially charged with protecting the planet isn't behaving like mindless animals?

Hardly mindless.
Just not behaving like they have brains 5x bigger.

[huth]

I disagree.
Dragons should have been all about grandeur and mystery...an almost alien presence, with clefthoofs and similar sized beasts and giant plants as food sources.
But...we have humans instead.

Well, sure, but i was talking about why they'd build a city like that, not about their dietary habits. As far as can be told, they have to be at least partially sustained by magic anyway.

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Hardly mindless.
Just not behaving like they have brains 5x bigger.

Pheraz description was of rather mindless beings that just kill and eat anything they see.

[Sydrache]

How many pages of undermine expansion are we gonna have lol. It's not happening

[username993720]

I'm not sure what this is. You mean so many females or transgender dragons like chromie?
I'm not a big fan of this trans concept either but it doesn't affect me at all or hurt me or hinders me to play the game so I can totally tolerate it.
(They should just leave this romantic romance stuff out of this game. But I guess they do this because they know that many wow players are women. I'm not sure though if as many women really like romance stories as blizzard marketing thinks. XD I could imagine that most women play video games to play video games and have fun just like men. Brilliant, right? .)

What I mean is rather the missing dragon danger vibes. Dragons shouldn't live in cities, in my opinion.

It's not this. It's the childish and censured nature and story WoW had taken on ever since.

No, the devs just aren't interested in making stupidly huge buildings for dragons.

This isn't what i'm talking about.
Dragons had become humans.

What, because an intelligent and ancient species that was specificially charged with protecting the planet isn't behaving like mindless animals?

Yes, exactly that. Dragons are fearsome creatures and they've been reduced to cuddly teddybears.

[huth]

It's not this. It's the childish and censured nature and story WoW had taken on ever since.



This isn't what i'm talking about.
Dragons had become humans.



Yes, exactly that. Dragons are fearsome creatures and they've been reduced to cuddly teddybears.

Wanting a race to behave in a way that makes no logical sense for them to actually do is childish, if anything. Dragons are still fearsome creatures in WoW; they just aren't primal beasts.

Your problem isn't that dragons are "human", your problem is that they aren't the edgy teenager's idea of imposing creatures.

[Ersula]

Not really. While Jaina was a major part of BFA she wasn't the center of the expansion, that would be Anduin and Sylvanas. Now Sylvanas in Shadowlands was very important, but even here, they showcased her and not the Jailer or Bolvar who were also important aspects of the expansion.

Uh, I think Jaina got way more screentime than both Anduin & Sylvanas in BFA. When I think of BFA I think of Jaina & Saurfang.

Revamping old world just for an update on the leveling between 1 and 50. Just like Cataclysm did.

They just spent like a 100 hours of development time creating chromie time. A new leveling experience is the last thing the game needs. Leveling is currently the thing players complain about the least. If anything, a old world revamp would create a new version of it that is just for levels 70 - 80

[Cheezits]

I will say the Dragons don't get to do a lot of cool stuff in Dragon form. The only things that come to mind are the single Alex vs Raz cinematic, and the Ysera questline where she starts nuking everyone. If you're passively consuming Dragonflight by mostly watching cinematics, you do NOT see a lot of Dragons doing Dragon stuff in Dragon form.

[Teriz]

How many pages of undermine expansion are we gonna have lol. It's not happening

People need to get over their childish disdain for Goblins and Gnomes and understand that an Undermine expansion has as much chance as occurring than any other major expansion concept. Perhaps even moreso since Blizzard wanted it in vanilla, and has stated that they wanted Goblins to return to Undermine in the future.

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Uh, I think Jaina got way more screentime than both Anduin & Sylvanas in BFA. When I think of BFA I think of Jaina & Saurfang.

I don't. I think of Anduin and N'Zoth mostly. That said, BFA is a bad example because there were so many narratives going at once. A better example is Legion, since they used Gul'dan instead of Illidan. Having Illidan on the key art would have given away a ton, like a return of the burning legion and an incoming demon hunter class. Gul'dan was just ambiguous enough to keep people guessing, though him opening a portal to the Burning Legion on MU Azeroth was always a high possibility.

[Cheezits]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9M9TzGmyQc

Not sure how to read this, but maybe soft deconfirmation of a revamp next expansion. Also Classic+ hint?

I’m in the AAR waiting room “A Azeroth Reborn” that’s where my money is. Could be wrong. Between the graphics updates, quests reworks, professions reworks, Dragon riding being tested in Eastern Kingdoms & Kalimdor, UI overhaul, talent overhaul…seems like the writing is there just when it will be officially announced is another thing

Yeah not happening least not in retail =)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I will say the Dragons don't get to do a lot of cool stuff in Dragon form. The only things that come to mind are the single Alex vs Raz cinematic, and the Ysera questline where she starts nuking everyone. If you're passively consuming Dragonflight by mostly watching cinematics, you do NOT see a lot of Dragons doing Dragon stuff in Dragon form.

We got Kal vs Raz, Sabellian flying into help wrathions assault on the keep, Ebon horn getting speared, Fyrakk toasting moles, Norz chasing off Raz, and Mabye a couple more.

There is a pretty good amount of cinematic’s of dragons doing dragon stuff in dragon form.

[Teriz]

People need to get over their childish disdain for Goblins and Gnomes and understand that an Undermine expansion has as much chance as occurring than any other major expansion concept. Perhaps even moreso since Blizzard wanted it in vanilla, and has stated that they wanted Goblins to return to Undermine in the future.

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I don't. I think of Anduin and N'Zoth mostly. That said, BFA is a bad example because there were so many narratives going at once. A better example is Legion, since they used Gul'dan instead of Illidan. Having Illidan on the key art would have given away a ton, like a return of the burning legion and an incoming demon hunter class. Gul'dan was just ambiguous enough to keep people guessing, though him opening a portal to the Burning Legion on MU Azeroth was always a high possibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9M9TzGmyQc

Not sure how to read this, but maybe soft deconfirmation of a revamp next expansion.

Well that takes care of that.

[milkmustache]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9M9TzGmyQc

Not sure how to read this, but maybe soft deconfirmation of a revamp next expansion. Also Classic+ hint?

Didn't someone say Towellie has called expacs wrong in the future? I know he got the timing right for a 10.2 announcement, but I wouldn't put a ton of stock in what he has to say.

I think I'd read this more as WoW 2 is not happening, which doesn't rule out a revamp. I've never considered world revamp = WoW 2/Azeroth Reborn.

[Shadowferal]

Wanting a race to behave in a way that makes no logical sense for them to actually do is childish, if anything. Dragons are still fearsome creatures in WoW; they just aren't primal beasts. Your problem isn't that dragons are "human", your problem is that they aren't the edgy teenager's idea of imposing creatures.

You shouldn't be able to understand the motives of dragons.

[Nebron]

Revamping old world just for an update on the leveling between 1 and 50. Just like Cataclysm did.

Well that's kinda true, it all depends how much you get for new level range (endgame). But then again, they somewhat painted themselves into a corner by making leveling as fast as it is right now (something like 10-15hrs) . It's clear that people want to touch the endgame content asap, though, and nobody wants to spend 1-2 weeks of grinding, since hardly anyone has time for such commitment. But with 10-15hrs it's going to be hard to fully experience new content from revamp and it will require like 5 characters to go through all the stories. Not sure how they would manage that.

[Worldshaper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9M9TzGmyQc

Not sure how to read this, but maybe soft deconfirmation of a revamp next expansion. Also Classic+ hint?

If he knows anything about 11.0 (and that's a huge if), then I don't see anything particularly earth-shattering (heh) about his statement. He's basically saying: We're going underground, not out to sea. And in the comments, he's saying: Classic will have a revamp (Cataclysm) but not retail.

I could see that as being perfectly legitimate.

Do I want a world revamp? Yes.

Do I think there's been a lot of work done to facilitate updates to Azeroth of some kind? Yes.

Would it make sense to do it on the 20th anniversary? Yes.

Does it have to happen on the 20th anniversary? No.

Is there a chance Blizzard might've updated assets simply to do a little HD refresh of what's already there, and perhaps a Classic+? Yes.

Could there be a revamp sometime in the near future instead, for example in 12.0 after we've saved the world-soul from the Void? Yes.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You shouldn't be able to understand the motives of dragons.

You didn’t understand that Ony was trying to take over stormwind? That Nef was trying to make a new more powerful kind of dragon? Those in AQ were trying to stop C’thun? Ect.

Dragons in wow have always been easily understandable.

[Teriz]

If he knows anything about 11.0 (and that's a huge if), then I don't see anything particularly earth-shattering (heh) about his statement. He's basically saying: We're going underground, not out to sea. And in the comments, he's saying: Classic will have a revamp (Cataclysm) but not retail.

I could see that as being perfectly legitimate.

Do I want a world revamp? Yes.

Do I think there's been a lot of work done to facilitate updates to Azeroth of some kind? Yes.

Would it make sense to do it on the 20th anniversary? Yes.

Does it have to happen on the 20th anniversary? No.

Is there a chance Blizzard might've updated assets simply to do a little HD refresh of what's already there, and perhaps a Classic+? Yes.

Could there be a revamp sometime in the near future instead, for example in 12.0 after we've saved the world-soul from the Void? Yes.

I wonder if Blizzard is going to expand support post-Augvoker. People speculated that they could add support specs to existing classes, but would Blizzard add a new class with a support spec in 11.0 right after Evokers? Perhaps a new class with a support spec for Mages, Hunters, and Shaman and a 4th role for group content.

[Shadowferal]

You didn’t understand that Ony was trying to take over stormwind? That Nef was trying to make a new more powerful kind of dragon? Those in AQ were trying to stop C’thun? Ect. Dragons in wow have always been easily understandable.

No.
They've only been written moronically.
A being that is far smarter and wiser should never have the concerns of an ant.