The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Murlocos]

BfA really cribs MoP more than any of the other 'sequel' expansions, and it does not reflect well on BfA. MoP's storytelling wasn't amazing or particularly nuanced, but it blended its two major plots (faction war and Sha) perfectly in the conclusion: you fight both at once. Garrosh and the remains of Y'shaarj together. Now imagine if 5.3 concluded with the Alliance and rebel forces rolling up to Orgrimmar only for Garrosh to fuck off into alternate Draenor, then we go and do a random Sha raid in 5.4 to end the expansion.

MoP ends with a tenuous pact, a reminder of Pandaria being the biggest casualty in the conflict and for the two factions to entertain peace. BfA has no resolution, the characters all feel sad over Saurfang's death and call it day, but the extremely personal and genocidal nature of the Fourth War has no conclusion. So much so that they just threw in a timeskip to try to make you forget BfA happened as much as possible. They'll happily reference SL over anything to do with the Fourth War. I'll blame the current writing team for all my woes with SL and parts of DF, but Afrasiabi left an absolute black mark on the story with BfA that'll probably never get truly resolved.

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BfA really cribs MoP more than any of the other 'sequel' expansions, and it does not reflect well on BfA. MoP's storytelling wasn't amazing or particularly nuanced, but it blended its two major plots (faction war and Sha) perfectly in the conclusion: you fight both at once. Garrosh and the remains of Y'shaarj together. Now imagine if 5.3 concluded with the Alliance and rebel forces rolling up to Orgrimmar only for Garrosh to fuck off into alternate Draenor, then we go and do a random Sha raid in 5.4 to end the expansion.

MoP ends with a tenuous pact, a reminder of Pandaria being the biggest casualty in the conflict and for the two factions to entertain peace. BfA has no resolution, the characters all feel sad over Saurfang's death and call it day, but the extremely personal and genocidal nature of the Fourth War has no conclusion. So much so that they just threw in a timeskip to try to make you forget BfA happened as much as possible. They'll happily reference SL over anything to do with the Fourth War. I'll blame the current writing team for all my woes with SL and parts of DF, but Afrasiabi left an absolute black mark on the story with BfA that'll probably never get truly resolved.

This is a very good analysis and I agree. I think that the awkward pacing and disjointed sequence of stories really helped to kill BfA. The complete lack of cohesion was very terrible for its narrative.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

How long until Sylvanas comes back as mary sue, do you guys think?

Since she's now being bestie with Anduin i feel we might even see her by the end of this expansion.

[Revamp Man]

How long until Sylvanas comes back as mary sue, do you guys think?

Since she's now being bestie with Anduin i feel we might even see her by the end of this expansion.

Depends on how they want to do the time difference in the SL that's been denied by watcher before launch but in the scenario was a thing

When we fight the final old god I believe we will see them return with her having powerful death magic and him a big light boi

[Teriz]

You need to get a new hobby dude. Seriously. Or see a shrink about your weird obsession.

Interesting that you believe that bringing up a possible WoW expansion in a thread about possible WoW expansions is a hobby or a weird obsession.

[Revamp Man]

Interesting that you believe that bringing up a possible WoW expansion in a thread about possible WoW expansions is a hobby or a weird obsession.

I think they are talking about how every time you mention an expansion it's midget related in either theme or class with a constant "it's coming next"

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I'm wondering if the .0.7 power gain will be as noticeable as the s4 gains

Would be hilarious to go from 19s to 25s overnight

[Makabreska]

"Tinkers are coming" is on the same lvl as "world revamp is coming".

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I'm wondering if the .0.7 power gain will be as noticeable as the s4 gains

Would be hilarious to go from 19s to 25s overnight

Wut S4 gains?

[AOL Instant Messenger]

"Tinkers are coming" is on the same lvl as "world revamp is coming".

Frankly, I'm still hoping for at least a limited revamp. Although I can't be certain that it is coming, I do feel like it remains a distinct possibility and could occur, especially if it were in a limited capacity (i.e. Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas only).

[ImTheMizAwesome]

It would be cool to be a hero to people on the mainland once again, i will always prefer the "classic" architecture/look over anything else, so it would be nicel to see some zones revamped and modernized with current world systems.

[Dracullus]

Frankly, I'm still hoping for at least a limited revamp. Although I can't be certain that it is coming, I do feel like it remains a distinct possibility and could occur, especially if it were in a limited capacity (i.e. Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas only).

After revamping leveling structure (which has build-up fix, cause they can always update 'base' expansion to more recent) Cataclysm style revamp is pointless and costly. But nothing stops them from remaking any part of old world (without removing old stuff, they are technically in the past anyway) as 70-80 zones.

It would require exactly same work as inventing another 'lost' continent where we deal with similar creatures anyway. So it's as good as any guess for next expac. Usual suspects would call it 'lazy', but most people would be more hyped to see known places with more detailed look than something completely new.

Wut S4 gains?

I think he confused mid-season power gain with completely new season.

[Khaza-R]

Frankly, I'm still hoping for at least a limited revamp. Although I can't be certain that it is coming, I do feel like it remains a distinct possibility and could occur, especially if it were in a limited capacity (i.e. Lordaeron and Quel'Thalas only).

Maybe I've just become too jaded but at this point I think we would be lucky to even get a revamp of Stormwind and Orgrimmar.

Undercity and Teldrassil 2.0 would be nice but the way they basically abandoned every other city for the past several years makes me think its not going to happen.

[Gimlix]

Once again, debatable. I like it but for many ppl it's annoying and interrupts their play flow.

Not true almost everyone in-game loves, i rarely hear from someone that they hate it. Feels like a small minority on the forums hate it. Just learn how to fly i would say.
Dragonriding made flying immersive since ever, so they better keep it.

[Dracullus]

Kinda annoying that 10.0.7 doesn't have scouting map for Dragon Isles as well. I get why heirlooms are delayed to ~10.1.5, but simple things as insta discovering flight paths/map should be possible from day 1 after you do it on main.

[Teriz]

I think they are talking about how every time you mention an expansion it's midget related in either theme or class with a constant "it's coming next"

Well that’s not really true. I was pretty sure we were getting a dragon-based expansion last time around. Even based my Dragonborne and Dragonsworn class concepts around such an expansion.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Well that’s not really true. I was pretty sure we were getting a dragon-based expansion last time around. Even based my Dragonborne and Dragonsworn class concepts around such an expansion.

True, but I do think that's something everybody knew was coming.

[Zulggun]

Not true almost everyone in-game loves, i rarely hear from someone that they hate it. Feels like a small minority on the forums hate it. Just learn how to fly i would say.
Dragonriding made flying immersive since ever, so they better keep it.

Oh you're sure about that? Then name every player who likes it.

[Revamp Man]

"Tinkers are coming" is on the same lvl as "world revamp is coming".

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Wut S4 gains?

sorry not the s4 immediate but that weird little bump where suddenly raids and dungeons got significantly easier for no reason

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Well that’s not really true. I was pretty sure we were getting a dragon-based expansion last time around. Even based my Dragonborne and Dragonsworn class concepts around such an expansion.

you said "if we are going to shadowlands we are getting a tinker class like ghostbusters"
then "if we are going to the dragon isles we are likely to get tinkers and a dragon race"

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True, but I do think that's something everybody knew was coming.

nobody "knew" it was coming
a ton of us guessed because of the dragon bundle and Teriz was one of the guys that went further with it saying "the mechanical dragon pet and mechanical dragon mount mean tinkers and dragons"

[ExiHext]

Oh you're sure about that? Then name every player who likes it.

I can tell you that I don't like it. I want normal flying back. As someone who farms a lot dragonriding is really annoying and I don't think the changes in 10.0.7 will alleviate that. I really hope dragonriding stays a DF feature, still have no clue about that. Many say it will stay but they said the same about things like artifacts and blizz is known for their one-off throw-away-ideas.

[Raetary]

If Dragonriding wasn't a success, you'd have the forums and social media be in uproar about it, as with all things that the playerbase doesn't like.
Instead, any post about Dragonriding has overtly positive responses.

[Makabreska]

If Dragonriding wasn't a success, you'd have the forums and social media be in uproar about it, as with all things that the playerbase doesn't like.
Instead, any post about Dragonriding has overtly positive responses.

This.

A Reddit thread literally from yesterday:
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...dfs_launch_ok/

I can tell you that I don't like it. I want normal flying back. As someone who farms a lot dragonriding is really annoying and I don't think the changes in 10.0.7 will alleviate that. I really hope dragonriding stays a DF feature, still have no clue about that. Many say it will stay but they said the same about things like artifacts and blizz is known for their one-off throw-away-ideas.

Artifacts were player power systems that weren't exactly received that well (AP grind) and they weren't really removed, they got replaced. DR is a travel system that is almost universally well received. Zero chances of it going away. Easy solution for future expansion - keep both flying systems.