The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nightshade711]

Kind of. Her big opportunity was in BFA, and Blizzard made her the top of a raid. You don't get more exposure than that. It's silly to believe that they'll make her top of a raid again.

Archimonde x2, Kil’jaeden x2.
Kel’thuzad x3.
Technically Sylvanas x2.
Technically Onyxia x3
Nefarian x2
And…
Ragnaros x2, who we’re seeing get name dropped and discussed returning (again) in this very thread.

The list goes on with historical examples that disprove your statement.

[Ersula]

The next and final piece before the Harbinger completes the final prophecy (Hour of Twilight?) and completes the awakening is that “a dark heart left broken awaits the taking.”

The Dark Heart was the Void Artifact. As Iridikron explained in DoTI, the prophecy is already complete. All he needs now is to wait for the Harbinger to arrive on Azeroth.

If Void Lords & the other cosmic forces could just teleport to azeroth instantly they would. But its not that easy: The Legion needed those warp keys, or a portal. The prophesy exists because they're not going to come if the Titans protections are just going to destroy them the instant they arrive: The artifact is supposed to signal a time in which the planet is vulnerable & the Titans are unprepared. Considering the Dragons are disempowered & the Titans are stuck keeping Sargeras in check, now would be the time.

[KainneAbsolute]

Dark hear of Azeroth? does it mean that we are going to be called CHAMPIONNSSSS again??? hahah

[Phunkle]

I'm curious where they are going to put Amirdrassil, after it has been pulled from the Emerald Dream. Maybe we do get rid of the Sword in Silithus after all and the tree will be placed there to close the wound.

[Alanar]

I'm curious where they are going to put Amirdrassil, after it has been pulled from the Emerald Dream. Maybe we do get rid of the Sword in Silithus after all and the tree will be placed there to close the wound.

Probably just exactly where it is now, but pulled into Azeroth. That huge area next to plains. The dream map can be placed ontop of that, it lines up.

Or they teleport it to somewhere, but that seems off to me.

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Yeah I hate those wings. I was kinda excited for proper wings when the Dragonflight stuff was coming out but then no its just these piddly little things.

They look like something went wrong on birth, wiggle wiggle, but no muscle into it. Something like scary movie small hands.

[Worldshaper]

Here's something interesting I believe Afrisiabi said back in 2018 (regarding the Old Gods):

"I would say that we should consider them dead. But! As with all things in World of Warcraft and in general in the Warcraft universe, death is not always final. Therefore, if there is the coming of the Old Gods, or some precursor of the Old Gods appear from the eternal darkness, from the Void, for example, if there is any way or opportunity to return them, I imagine that this may well happen."

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Shocked there’s no scaleface leaks yet. Or really any credible leaks in general.

Virtual ticket will be probably revealed on october 1 like last time and they usually have murlocks based on main characters from the expansion, so maybe we will get some more real info then or just something more "real" to speculate about.

Now to think of it, we don't have thrall unique murlock pet yet.

[Well Done Steak]

Hey, did everyone forget about the past Nzoth whispers at the start of DF, when we went back in time with eternus to the black empire?

That hasn't been talked about in some time and that's definitely hint at void things to come since they were completely brand new whispers for that quest.

"Deeper, deeper it's roots will reach. Welcoming our embrace"

Ding ding ding. I wonder what roots Nzoth is referencing???? How about amirdrassil????

Void expansion baby!

[micwini]

Hey, did everyone forget about the past Nzoth whispers at the start of DF, when we went back in time with eternus to the black empire?

That hasn't been talked about in some time and that's definitely hint at void things to come since they were completely brand new whispers for that quest.

"Deeper, deeper it's roots will reach. Welcoming our embrace"

Ding ding ding. I wonder what roots Nzoth is referencing???? How about amirdrassil????

Void expansion baby!

Blizzard has already confirmed they are not going to do expansions that have little variation in theme. They specifically mention Old god expansion. I think for similar reasons Void will never be its own expansion, but more like a X.3 type of thing, like Argus.

[pacotaco]

Well... one of the icons that just got datamined in the recent build has the file names Ragnaros_Heart_Shadowflame and while its an icon for a trinket. I would not be surprised if...

Ragnaros returns but is infused with the Shadowflame, turning into a void variant of himself... It may even be Iridikron's plan to corrupt the Elemental Lords into void variations of themselves.

That's just one theory, don't take it as fact because even I don't know where this is going.

Nah, it's because it's an edited version of an older icon used for the Heart of Ragnaros to add a shadowflame tint.

[Well Done Steak]

Blizzard has already confirmed they are not going to do expansions that have little variation in theme. They specifically mention Old god expansion. I think for similar reasons Void will never be its own expansion, but more like a X.3 type of thing, like Argus.

Eh sorry, not just void. Void vs light exp. Maybe with some dread lords and sire D thrown in.

There's a ton they could use. It won't be just a purple mess.

[pacotaco]

I've wondered this.

For the Pantheon's case, Norgannon's spell saved their spirits after Sargeras mollywhopped them. If not for that spell... they would have been perma-killed...?


...but Sargeras killed Aggramar waaaaaay before the events of "Legion" and Aggramar returned twisted during the Antorus raid. Is it possible you cannot kill a titan soul so easily? Is it possible Sargeras used a similar spell to save Aggramar's soul to (at that time) save and use at a later time?

If they're like demons, their body die but their souls survives. What I find weird is that it doesn't come back to the plane of Order?

[Worldshaper]

Blizzard has already confirmed they are not going to do expansions that have little variation in theme. They specifically mention Old god expansion. I think for similar reasons Void will never be its own expansion, but more like a X.3 type of thing, like Argus.

Legion was a Disorder-expansion, yet it had lots of variety. From all the zones of the Broken Isles, to the quests surrounding the Order Halls and Artifact Weapons. We even had interesting raids and dungeons, not all of which were about the Burning Legion.

Heck, they even managed to create some amount of variety in Shadowlands, the Death expansion. Who would have guessed we'd get a magical fae forest in there?

11.0 is a Void expansion. But it won't be just tentacles and starry skies.

[Arai]

I'm curious where they are going to put Amirdrassil, after it has been pulled from the Emerald Dream. Maybe we do get rid of the Sword in Silithus after all and the tree will be placed there to close the wound.

The Nightelfs will destroy Orgrimmar and place the tree there. It will be a bloodbath similar to Teldrassil. Since Orgrimmar is build inside cliffs and having only 3 exits, it will be easy to block them all. Everything will be set on fire, the remaining survivors that looked for shelter in lakes etc. will be executed afterwards. The tree will be born with blood and revenge. The troll settlement to the south of Orgrimmar will also be eradicated quickly after the Orgrimmar incident. The remaining survivors will move to Mulgore. If the last Horde Bastion of Kalimdor will fall is not set in stone as the Tauren have more in common with the Nightelf than the rest of the Horde. A change of allegiance of the remainers in Mulgore is an option if the pledge to destroy every last Undead is done. The preparations to attack Lordaeron are ongoing and not too soon the crusade to kill every last Undead will be starting.

[Foolicious]

I've wondered this.

For the Pantheon's case, Norgannon's spell saved their spirits after Sargeras mollywhopped them. If not for that spell... they would have been perma-killed...?


...but Sargeras killed Aggramar waaaaaay before the events of "Legion" and Aggramar returned twisted during the Antorus raid. Is it possible you cannot kill a titan soul so easily? Is it possible Sargeras used a similar spell to save Aggramar's soul to (at that time) save and use at a later time?

Aggramar died/was destroyed at the same time the other titans where. Sargeras and Aggramar fought at one point, but aggramar retreated and called the rest of the pantheon for help. Eonar was able to escape somehow(probably with elunes help) and Aggramar was simply the first to give in to sargeras corruption and torture in antorus.

[Shadowferal]

The Nightelfs will destroy Orgrimmar and place the tree there. It will be a bloodbath similar to Teldrassil. Since Orgrimmar is build inside cliffs and having only 3 exits, it will be easy to block them all. Everything will be set on fire, the remaining survivors that looked for shelter in lakes etc. will be executed afterwards. The tree will be born with blood and revenge. The troll settlement to the south of Orgrimmar will also be eradicated quickly after the Orgrimmar incident. The remaining survivors will move to Mulgore. If the last Horde Bastion of Kalimdor will fall is not set in stone as the Tauren have more in common with the Nightelf than the rest of the Horde. A change of allegiance of the remainers in Mulgore is an option if the pledge to destroy every last Undead is done. The preparations to attack Lordaeron are ongoing and not too soon the crusade to kill every last Undead will be starting.

I can only applaud... Bravo! The Nightelf in me sings!

...but I sincerely doubt Blizz has any desire to become so invested in what would take some decent storytelling to get to the denouement of your narrative. That would actually take...well, work.

[Teriz]

Archimonde x2, Kil’jaeden x2.
Kel’thuzad x3.
Technically Sylvanas x2.
Technically Onyxia x3
Nefarian x2
And…
Ragnaros x2, who we’re seeing get name dropped and discussed returning (again) in this very thread.

The list goes on with historical examples that disprove your statement.

As the top of raids? In other words the final boss more than once? The only ones I’m aware of that did that were Kil’Jadeen and Archimonde, but those were different cases.

Btw, I didn’t say that Blizzard had never done that, I said that I don’t see them doing that for Azshara, because she simply doesn’t have that mystique anymore because we stomped her and the big bad she was working for. Fighting her again would be a rerun of fighting her in BFA and be rather pointless.

[Nymrohd]

Aggramar died/was destroyed at the same time the other titans where. Sargeras and Aggramar fought at one point, but aggramar retreated and called the rest of the pantheon for help. Eonar was able to escape somehow(probably with elunes help) and Aggramar was simply the first to give in to sargeras corruption and torture in antorus.

I think the failure there was that we got the Chronicle's story yet we never found how the Titans got captured. Imagine if Legion had a secondary plot about Sargeras' forces trying to capture the sparks of the Titans that arrived on Azeroth. Heck maybe we could have found Wrathion chained somewhere in Antorus in that he was used to get the last parts of Aman'thul (which would explain why he was missing) and part of the plot for Stormheim would be the Legion trying to bait Odyn so they can capture him for the same reason.

I honestly would rather not have secondary sources at all if they are going to be contrasted. It's telling that I fully expect that the actual reasons behind the Incarnates' anger will only be available in the novel.

[huth]

I think the failure there was that we got the Chronicle's story yet we never found how the Titans got captured. Imagine if Legion had a secondary plot about Sargeras' forces trying to capture the sparks of the Titans that arrived on Azeroth. Heck maybe we could have found Wrathion chained somewhere in Antorus in that he was used to get the last parts of Aman'thul (which would explain why he was missing) and part of the plot for Stormheim would be the Legion trying to bait Odyn so they can capture him for the same reason.

I honestly would rather not have secondary sources at all if they are going to be contrasted. It's telling that I fully expect that the actual reasons behind the Incarnates' anger will only be available in the novel.

What are you talking about? It's not difficult to puzzle together from the clues we have that he grabbed them almost immediately after he destroyed their bodies, interrupting Norgannons plan to transfer to the Keepers on Azeroth.

By the time Wrathion is born, Aman'thul has been tortured for thousands of years. That wouldn't make any sense.

[Nymrohd]

What are you talking about? It's not difficult to puzzle together from the clues we have that he grabbed them almost immediately after he destroyed their bodies, interrupting Norgannons plan to transfer to the Keepers on Azeroth.

By the time Wrathion is born, Aman'thul has been tortured for thousands of years. That wouldn't make any sense.

Do we know they have been tortured for that long? I guess I'll have to check the quotes from the encounter again. It could be that they were only captured recently. The Chronicle meanwhile tells us they escaped and came to Azeroth only the Keepers could not exactly contain them and they kind of fizzled out with most of the Keepers not even figuring out what happened.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Coven_of_Shivarra

I reread the quotes and nothing about them suggests they have been at this for millenia