The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Auxis]

With recent speculation, I'd be pretty exited with an expansion mirroring Disneys atlantis.

If Iridikron is to survive into the next expansion. Maybe Avaloren is Atlantis in this comparison. A large landmass on an ocean in a giant subterranean cave. The Horde and Alliance could follow the Night squall under the sea, with assistance from Neptulon (him and water strangely non-existent in this 'elemental' expac were experiencing) through a cavern system to emerge inside a giant sprawling cavern Eco dome with it's own continent. Khaz'algar could be the capital, and Uldaz a titan facility on this landmass inside the planet.

The way through could also be protected by a titan made leviathan similar to the Disney classic, especially if the 'Heretics' of this land are various titan born. Could be an explanation to how the Naga never dared find it, or maybe they did.

The new landmass itself and area around it could be quite artistically stunning, and while theorizing I can't help but wonder if the heretics would be receptive to us, or anyone that would come searching.



At this point in the story, Atlantis is entirely underground. It could be the perfect setting for our Avaloren.

TBH, I never considered Atlantis as a basis for something in WoW. Would be interesting! I can imagine Odyn wasn't too pleased with the Heretics (presuming the heretics and Avaloren could have been living proof of the Black Empire not being "as bad as the Titan's edicts made it out to be"), so he had the entire place sunken and locked away as if it never existed.

[Super Dickmann]

Odyn being on our side but also a prick only marginally better than the ones he's opposing is something the current narrative where everyone's nice can't allow. Since back in BFA we culled everyone less morally upstanding than Dudley Doright that we can ally with, the next step is to move on to the non-playables.

[Worldshaper]

Finally? Odyn's been on our 'prospective enemy' list forever. He's not a good person and never has been. There's a reason "I've been wanting to punch him" is an opiton

With all the "Tyr is gonna be evil!" talk up thread I figured folk thought we just weren't going to post the obvious of "Odyn's going evil and Tyr is on our side to stop him" as it was a little too predictable

But there's a difference between "I'm a dick" and "I'm willing to betray my kin and my ancient charge to protect this world, defy my makers and watch all existence burn in shadowflame".

[Nightshade711]

As the top of raids? In other words the final boss more than once? The only ones I’m aware of that did that were Kil’Jadeen and Archimonde, but those were different cases.

Nefarian, Onyxia, Ragnaros, Kel’thuzad… etc etc.

I don’t see them doing that for Azshara, because she simply doesn’t have that mystique anymore because we stomped her and the big bad she was working for. Fighting her again would be a rerun of fighting her in BFA and be rather pointless.

You don’t see it because you don’t have imagination.
We’ve fought plenty of bosses that fall under that same category.

And it’s still moot given the community speculation, and the hype train surrounding Azshara. So clearly there’s some in the community that’re excited to see her return and get the payoff she deserves.

[Cheezits]

Odyn being an antagonist was pretty clearly set up the second his backstory dropped. It's not a twist to anyone who read his backstory lore the second it dropped.

Eyir being chill in the Vyranoth quest also implies that she'll probably take over so the Valajar can still be around, so the two people who liked being railroaded into the Valajar during Legion can breath easy.

[Teriz]

Nefarian, Onyxia, Ragnaros, Kel’thuzad… etc etc.


You don’t see it because you don’t have imagination.
We’ve fought plenty of bosses that fall under that same category.

And it’s still moot given the community speculation, and the hype train surrounding Azshara. So clearly there’s some in the community that’re excited to see her return and get the payoff she deserves.

Projection? Wouldn’t the lack of imagination be on those who want to fight the same antagonists again instead of considering new antagonists? Especially considering we’re currently in an expansion dominated by new antagonists, and by all accounts will finish this expansion on the backs of new (and compelling) antagonists. Before the expansion, people said we’re going to be facing Galakrond, Murazond, or Deathwing as the main antagonists. Thankfully, that hasn’t occurred.

It should give a wake up call to speculators; Blizzard is going in a new direction, not recycling relics from the past.

[Nightshade711]

Found this patent made by blizzard last year out of boredom:

https://uspto.report/patent/app/20220207843

In an embodiment a machine learning system is configured to compute a shape and size of three-dimensional digital objects to fit a second character model based on the shape and size that the same three-dimensional digital objects have to fit a first character model. A server computer receives particular input data defining a plurality of particular input vertices for a particular input three-dimensional digital object fit for the first character model. In response to receiving the particular input data, the server computer computes, using the machine learning system, particular output data defining a plurality of particular output vertices for a particular output three-dimensional digital object, the particular output three-dimensional digital object comprising the particular input three-dimensional digital object fit for the second character model.

Wonder if this is part of that armor system overhaul Ion mentioned that would need to be done for Dracthyr to transmog their armor. (Or any other exotic races in the future)

Having an AI do most of the leg work and then just reviewing the work would make sense.

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Before the expansion, people said we’re going to be facing Galakrond, Murazond, or Deathwing as the main antagonists. Thankfully, that hasn’t occurred.

I mean if I’m SL there were prophecies of Galakrond or Deathwing returning from “the true throne of power” or whatever… or a bunch of Galakrond/Deathwing related hints then I’d see people thinking they’d be a main threat.

[Santandame]

Projection? Wouldn’t the lack of imagination be on those who want to fight the same antagonists again instead of considering new antagonists? Especially considering we’re currently in an expansion dominated by new antagonists, and by all accounts will finish this expansion on the backs of new (and compelling) antagonists. Before the expansion, people said we’re going to be facing Galakrond, Murazond, or Deathwing as the main antagonists. Thankfully, that hasn’t occurred.

It should give a wake up call to speculators; Blizzard is going in a new direction, not recycling relics from the past.

Yet you’re advocating for Yrel, X’era and Gallywix as end of expansion bosses.

Do you want to fight newly introduced characters or “old” ones?

[Nightshade711]

Speaking of Scaleface…
Nobody’s been looking at his Twitter profile recently.

https://twitter.com/wowexdev
His Twitter PFP looks like it could be promo art, and in earlier posts it looks like some zone screenshots.

[Nightshade711]

one of the pictures, this seems AI generated

It could also be the low quality tbh.

[huth]

Already acknowledged. Here's the point; Blizzard has acknowledged that players didn't like/were burned out on Vashj'ir, which is part of the reason they scrapped Abyssal Maw in Cataclysm. On top of this, their overall treatment of Azshara and Nazjatar in BFA point towards them having a reluctance to go all in on an underwater-themed expansion. Pair that hunch with Blizzard themselves saying that they actively avoid expansion concepts where the themes cause the visuals to be too "samey" and you have a scenario where Azshara and the Naga coming back (again) to be rather unlikely.

That's not even including the issue of us beating her and her puppet master a mere 3.5 years ago.

The only thing we did to Azshara was mess up her plan to kill N'zoth. Seems somebody wasn't paying attention to the story and is now trying to make predictions based on that ignorance.

[Nightshade711]

one of the pictures, this seems AI generated

https://x.com/wowexdev/status/1704396587613442160?s=20

???

I do wonder who/what this could be though. Void Dreadlord?

[Marlamin]

Speaking of Scaleface…
Nobody’s been looking at his Twitter profile recently.

https://twitter.com/wowexdev
His Twitter PFP looks like it could be promo art, and in earlier posts it looks like some zone screenshots.

I don't think that's the same person as Scaleface.

[Mysticdoll]

If the next expac is all random void stuff an no revamp at all its gonna be a shitshow, atleast with undermine naga south seas and or old god insectoid stuff its recognisable to the IP

Also the revamp idea has gotten more steam then ever with lots of wow media people speculating on it, also theres basically no recognisable landmasses to go to anymore

Hoping that twitter account is posting fake stuff which it probably is, i do remember though thinking dracthyr were fake cause of how ugly they were lol

[Cheezits]

I do wonder who/what this could be though. Void Dreadlord?

That's a pretty cool design, unsure if it's fake.

All the zone pictures look like Nathreza/K'aresh which would be a definite WoW killer. I feel like I've seen them before though.

[Well Done Steak]

That's a pretty cool design, unsure if it's fake.

All the zone pictures look like Nathreza/K'aresh which would be a definite WoW killer. I feel like I've seen them before though.

Why would Karesh or nath be wow killers???

Outland was freaking awesome

[Teriz]

Yet you’re advocating for Yrel, X’era and Gallywix as end of expansion bosses.

Do you want to fight newly introduced characters or “old” ones?

Well yes because they're former allies and have never been raid-level antagonists before. It's something new. We've already beaten Azshara on her home turf, then we went on to body her master. It's crazy that people want to do it again because of some story quirk.

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Why would Karesh or nath be wow killers???

Outland was freaking awesome

Because Shadowlands showed that people are tired of shadow/void/undead stuff.

[Nightshade711]

Because Shadowlands showed that people are tired of shadow/void/undead stuff.

Shadowlands has nothing to do with the void.
And no one seemed to complain about Abberus’ void stuff.

[Teriz]

The only thing we did to Azshara was mess up her plan to kill N'zoth. Seems somebody wasn't paying attention to the story and is now trying to make predictions based on that ignorance.

So the argument is that THIS time she'll be playing for keeps? While we're still fighting the same minions, and dealing with the same spells, using the same assets from BFA.

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Shadowlands has nothing to do with the void.

For most players Shadow magic is just shadow magic.

And no one seemed to complain about Abberus’ void stuff.

Because it was inside a decidedly dragon expansion. People don't mind anything in small doses.

[Houle]

Why would Karesh or nath be wow killers???

Outland was freaking awesome

Because nobody except lore nerds like us gives a shit about Karesh, especially since the revamp hype is higher than ever rn (wether thats the fault of Blizz or the players themselves is a different question).
It wouldnt be a "killer" but it would definitely be a disappointment to a lot of people.
Also, it would once again go pretty far into the whole cosmic stuff, and the last time that happened, we got SL, which almost everyone agreedupon that it didnt really feel like warcraft anymore. You think people will be up and hyped after that?