The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

The problem is that SL came after N'Zoth patch, so for players it was just an extension of more shadow stuff. Some people are obsessed with shadow-based content, but not every player wants a steady diet of shadow over and over again. Doing an entire shadow/void expansion after 8.3, Shadowlands, and the bit of void we got in Aberrus would be a mistake. It's almost becoming a crutch for Blizzard and it's time to bring some new aligned villains into the equation.

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MoP wasn't DoA because it was something fresh after TBC, WotLK, and Cataclysm. At the time nerds bristled at it, but now in retrospect its considered one of the best expansions Blizzard has ever done.

Why? Because it was something different.

I don't see 11.0 just being void though, member we'll have the light aspect as well

[Santandame]

So the argument is that THIS time she'll be playing for keeps? While we're still fighting the same minions, and dealing with the same spells, using the same assets from BFA.

Why do you assume that they’ll be the same assets? You’re just being deliberately obtuse at this point in order to go against what people are saying to you. You know full well that with a character like Azshara that they could and would be completely new assets.

Some of the possibilities:

- She sheds her Naga form and takes on her previous Highborne form. We could either fight her in Ancient Kalimdor which wouldn’t be Naga enemies or Naga assets at all. They would be Highborne assets and the Highborne we fight would likely be either Void corrupted or possibly even Order.

- A theory thrown around a few times is that she travels to the centre of Azeroth and she absorbs the essence of Azeroth, essentially becoming her avatar. This would clearly necessitate a form change for her and she’s very likely have the ability to transform her minions into something more fitting. Presto, new assets and aesthetics. There you go, you have your villain for the underground expansion you want, and one a lot more compelling than Gallywix in an azerite mech suit.

- She makes a deal with the Void Lords themselves and brings about the voids invasion of Azeroth. Again, this would be using the new Void art direction seen in Aberrus.

- She invades the seat of the pantheon and frees Sargeras. She then uses Sargeras to gain access to the realm of order with the assistance of Iridikron and Xal’atath in an effort to rid the cosmos of the titans.

Like, come on. Surely you aren’t this unimaginative? I feel like at this point you’re just being deliberately stubborn and disregarding everything everyone is saying to you, purely because you don’t want to see it and because you want to be right.

[Marlamin]

Where are you getting it from that they're the same person?

Scaleface and wowexdev (used to be wxd on MMO-C) are entirely different people as far as I can remember.

It does appear they use the same avatar and link to the same album though, so maybe I'm wrong.

[Santandame]

Where are you getting it from that they're the same person?

Scaleface and wowexdev (used to be wxd on MMO-C) are entirely different people as far as I can remember.

I may be wrong, but wasn’t Scaleface being backed up and corroborated on their posts here by another poster? Could be this wxd but I may be misremembering.

Either way, Scaleface wasn’t alone when leaking DF, someone was corroborating his posts and vice versa.

[lostsoup]

https://twitter.com/wowexdev/status/1696868579587576092

Is this the sword?

Edit: I believe wxd/wowexdev leaked Legion, so even if not Scaleface he's got sources.

[Nightshade711]

Where are you getting it from that they're the same person?

Scaleface and wowexdev (used to be wxd on MMO-C) are entirely different people as far as I can remember.

Post history on Twitter looks a lot like Scaleface’s. (Especially the dragonflight hints. Mentioning probably not making riddles this time)

His new mmoc pfp matches the Twitter background thing.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

It does appear they use the same avatar and link to the same album though, so maybe I'm wrong.

Scaleface dropped the Twitter account in the Legion speculation thread and said it was his friend and unrelated to him. Whether you believe him or not is up to you.

I still don't really believe much that a Trademark will show up. Blizzard is too aware to do so these days. I mean I keep an eye out just in case, I guess.

[Lady Atia]

https://twitter.com/wowexdev/status/1696868579587576092

Is this the sword?

Edit: I believe wxd/wowexdev leaked Legion, so even if not Scaleface he's got sources.

What sword??

[Marlamin]

Post history on Twitter looks a lot like Scaleface’s. (Especially the dragonflight hints. Mentioning probably not making riddles this time)

His new mmoc pfp matches the Twitter background thing.

They were separate people in the past as far as I can remember so them ending up being the same person is somewhat unexpected. Either way I'm still taking those leaks with the same grain of salt as any other, especially in these days of fake AI art (and text) being so prevalent, they could have been fooled in the same way.

Scaleface dropped the Twitter account in the Legion speculation thread and said it was his friend and unrelated to him. Whether you believe him or not is up to you.

I guess they're still very good friends then.

[Santandame]

https://twitter.com/wowexdev/status/1696868579587576092

Is this the sword?

Edit: I believe wxd/wowexdev leaked Legion, so even if not Scaleface he's got sources.

It was a guy called Jericho who leaked Legion. I believe he, or his friend who leaked it to him gif in trouble with Blizz.

[Ersula]

I think the Void would be good as it's own expac. There are more options there at least compared to a Black Empire expac.

Yes but an old world revamp where the villains are a cosmic force invading that old world would be par for the course.

[Teriz]

Why do you assume that they’ll be the same assets? You’re just being deliberately obtuse at this point in order to go against what people are saying to you. You know full well that with a character like Azshara that they could and would be completely new assets.

Some of the possibilities:

- She sheds her Naga form and takes on her previous Highborne form. We could either fight her in Ancient Kalimdor which wouldn’t be Naga enemies or Naga assets at all. They would be Highborne assets and the Highborne we fight would likely be either Void corrupted or possibly even Order.

- A theory thrown around a few times is that she travels to the centre of Azeroth and she absorbs the essence of Azeroth, essentially becoming her avatar. This would clearly necessitate a form change for her and she’s very likely have the ability to transform her minions into something more fitting. Presto, new assets and aesthetics. There you go, you have your villain for the underground expansion you want, and one a lot more compelling than Gallywix in an azerite mech suit.

- She makes a deal with the Void Lords themselves and brings about the voids invasion of Azeroth. Again, this would be using the new Void art direction seen in Aberrus.

- She invades the seat of the pantheon and frees Sargeras. She then uses Sargeras to gain access to the realm of order with the assistance of Iridikron and Xal’atath in an effort to rid the cosmos of the titans.

Like, come on. Surely you aren’t this unimaginative? I feel like at this point you’re just being deliberately stubborn and disregarding everything everyone is saying to you, purely because you don’t want to see it and because you want to be right.

So she becomes an avatar of Azeroth to bring in a Void Lord invasion that would essentially be the Black Empire that we saw at the end of 8.3? If that's the goal, why not simply do the exact same thing in BFA with N'Zoth ushering in his void lord masters? It doesn't make sense for Azshara to merge with a titan and then essentially give up that power to wind up being a servant of the void all over again.

Also I would love to know how we defeat the avatar of Azeroth AND the Void Lords working together. You might as well end WoW after that.

[Sydrache]

Oh wow if they finally do something with that sword that'd be pretty neat. Galakrond essence go in sword maybe?

[Lady Atia]

one of the pictures, this seems AI generated

https://x.com/wowexdev/status/1704396587613442160?s=20

???

Ok, speculation time - if the artworks and screens are legit, it seems like the sword in Silithus may get void infused, and the screens could be Nathreza or Xoroth. We also got the Nathrezim sets via datamining. So what if we get a Revamp + Nathreza/Xoroth als (big) max level zone? While I would have prefered some classic locations as settings for a raid (like a Scarlet Monastery raid, Zul Gurub 2.0 or AQ 2.0), going to the remnants of the Dreadlords' homeworld and getting a rematch with Denathrius sounds fun too! Regarding Xoroth, purple, green and red would fit with the three colours of the Warlock's class hall mount.

[Nibelheimy]

I earlier theroized an atlantis expansion underground.

I could see us and Xal'atath + iridikron (if she is to be a nyalarthotep comparison) travelling separately to this underground continent to try and work with the heretics to reach the world soul. The children of the first flesh having to remember their original cause of whatever it is would make sense here. Only for Azshara to swoop in and claim the true Throne of power last minute.

None of this would have to use assets we got in BFA. How incredibly unimaginative.

Maybe Azshara has already gone and used her glamour powers to entice them all into worshipping her so she could use whatever titan machine there to prepare the world soul. Maybe she goes with us under a glade pretense of stopping the void only to turn sides.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

Well, I mean that blade probably pretty high energy so it being turned into a Portal isn't the most bizarre thing that could happen to it.

[Woggmer]

I’m really struggling to follow how you think Azshara as an expansion boss, with all the possibilities a character such as her would undoubtedly have, would be underwhelming yet you’ve advocated for Gallywix in an azerite mech suit as the end boss for an Undermine expansion.

The most powerful arcane user in Azeroth’s history who allowed us to beat her previously. A character with links to presumably the Void Lords currently, as well as Sargeras vs. a character that would most definitely be a joke to the player characters powered by a substance we saw plenty of in BfA whilst dealing with similarly powered up constructs.

Make it make sense.

It's also worth noting that Gallywix, despite being a "joke character" was given a fully fleshed out backstory, not only giving us a story about how he became a Trade Prince.. but the kind of goblin he is. Blizzard didn't need to give this character a story like it but the fact that they put a spotlight on him gives some indication that he is a potential threat.
So long as there is still Azerite coming out, he's gonna keep trying to harvest as much as possible.

As for Azshara, what else is there for her to do aside from getting the void? Which we don't know because it is all speculation. If we truly wanted to face off against her in one finale round, I would suspect that she'd fight us in her prime.. when she was a Highborne. No tentacles, no Naga... just pure unfiltered arcane power.

[Santandame]

So she becomes an avatar of Azeroth to bring in a Void Lord invasion that would essentially be the Black Empire that we saw at the end of 8.3? If that's the goal, why not simply do the exact same thing in BFA with N'Zoth ushering in his void lord masters? It doesn't make sense for Azshara to merge with a titan and then essentially give up that power to wind up being a servant of the void all over again.

Also I would love to know how we defeat the avatar of Azeroth AND the Void Lords working together. You might as well end WoW after that.

I never said that as the avatar of Azeroth she would usher in a Void Lord invasion, reading comprehension, or just stop being dishonest. I presented them as two separate ideas. I imagine in the scenario where she becomes Azeroth’s avatar she would be content just ruling over us and the planet, not backed up by any “masters”.

Why would defeating the void lords mean the end of WoW? We have to fight them at some point. Was defeating Sargeras the end of WoW? There are other villains to fight, such as the 7th force The Jailer fears or even the First Ones if it came to it. I’m sure @Cosmicpreds would be happy.

[Lady Atia]

Afaik they never said where exactly the dreadlord citadel in Warcraft 3 was right? So it may be one of the little nuggets that get turned into a raid tier down the line.

[Santandame]

It's also worth noting that Gallywix, despite being a "joke character" was given a fully fleshed out backstory, not only giving us a story about how he became a Trade Prince.. but the kind of goblin he is. Blizzard didn't need to give this character a story like it but the fact that they put a spotlight on him gives some indication that he is a potential threat.
So long as there is still Azerite coming out, he's gonna keep trying to harvest as much as possible.

As for Azshara, what else is there for her to do aside from getting the void? Which we don't know because it is all speculation. If we truly wanted to face off against her in one finale round, I would suspect that she'd fight us in her prime.. when she was a Highborne. No tentacles, no Naga... just pure unfiltered arcane power.

I don’t doubt that Gallywix will be used as a threat again, and I hope he is. I love his character. But arguing that he would be a more compelling expansion level threat than Azshara is definitely something.

As for Azshara, my preference would be what you said. Or her absorbing power from Azeroth’s world soul and becoming her avatar for lack of a better term.

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Sure. Never said Void was the next expac, just that it being an expac is likely. Same with the Realm of Light being it's own expac.

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If you're gonna quote me to prove a point of arrogance to someone, at least get my name right...

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Yay you edited it

Not sure how it’s a point of arrogance and anytime you’re mentioned isn’t a personal attack on yourself so bear that in mind.