The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiria]

I would play Classic with HD models and assets, would be cool.

[Magistrate]

Maybe controversially I'm sick of titan stuff. It feels like every other POI or instance is a titan facility now.

[Sondrelk]

im aware of that statement, i mean that we dont know if the datamined assets are for the world revamp specifically. like i said theyve used a bunch of them in DF

They've had a bunch of assets that don't necessarily make sense for the area, but does update something specific needed for a revamp. And they have been doing this since at least BfA, and arguably even Legion

In BfA we had the Quilboar, which occupied the most superfluous of positions as C-list antagonists in Stormsong Valley for instance.
In SL there is an area in Bastion that is filled with regular goats. Not ethereal goats or ones with fun horns, just regular boring goats. You never interract with them in any quest or daily I can remember.

DF has less overt ones, but does still have a bunch of assets updated that are not needed necessarily. Or for that matter, assets which are never used. The Alliance Airship tower for instance.

[Magistrate]

I mean, these pictures could be AI created on purpose with hints in mind and not showing anything real, like someone made these specific pictures just to point in some direction.

But this is just my random thought, i still think it's nothing but you never know.

Blizzard also has patents out over the last year about using AI for models and art in their future content, so... AI isn't like exclusionary, necessarily.

[Nymrohd]

Maybe controversially I'm sick of titan stuff. It feels like every other POI or instance is a titan facility now.

I'd actually love to have found Elemental structures (in my headcanon, Molten Core would be Ragnaros original seat of power which is why he could be summoned there and there'd be remnants of Firelands' style architecture there) that have somehow survived from before the Black Empire. Honestly despite the fairly large time span of Azeroth's history, there are very few significant ancient civilizations that could have left buildings and facilities.

[Well Done Steak]

Guys what if those pics are the remnants of nathreza and that's where we're going.

And that's why we have those dread lord looking things in the cinematic leak and the dread lord armor

[Nightshade711]

I mean, these pictures could be AI created on purpose with hints in mind and not showing anything real, like someone made these specific pictures just to point in some direction.

But this is just my random thought, i still think it's nothing but you never know.

That could make sense.
Scaleface & his friends typically has been one moreso for riddles & hints that eventually led to a reveal versus just outright dropping leaked images if I remember correctly anyways.

[huth]

I'd actually love to have found Elemental structures (in my headcanon, Molten Core would be Ragnaros original seat of power which is why he could be summoned there and there'd be remnants of Firelands' style architecture there) that have somehow survived from before the Black Empire. Honestly despite the fairly large time span of Azeroth's history, there are very few significant ancient civilizations that could have left buildings and facilities.

We don't even have Black Empire ruins, why would we have any from before that?

[lostsoup]

Wowexdev specifically said "probably no riddles this time", so these pictures are either real leaks or just a troll.

https://imgur.com/H1rpcwM

Of all the pictures, this one looks the most real. The grass and design of the building look very WoW to me.

[Santandame]

We don't even have Black Empire ruins, why would we have any from before that?

Aren’t there some Black Empire esque obelisks in southern Tanaris? I know those were created back when the Black Empire was little more than a twinkle in the story devs eye but it’s what I retroactively associate them with. I’m pretty sure they’re the exact same ones seen in the Black Empire assaults in Uldum and the Vale just low res.

[Skildar]

I'd actually love to have found Elemental structures (in my headcanon, Molten Core would be Ragnaros original seat of power which is why he could be summoned there and there'd be remnants of Firelands' style architecture there) that have somehow survived from before the Black Empire. Honestly despite the fairly large time span of Azeroth's history, there are very few significant ancient civilizations that could have left buildings and facilities.

There is abondant lack of old gods, wild gods and elemental architecture in the world of Azeroth. That's part of why I would have been delighted to have the incarnates force a return to a primordial Azeroth

[huth]

Aren’t there some Black Empire esque obelisks in southern Tanaris? I know those were created back when the Black Empire was little more than a twinkle in the story devs eye but it’s what I retroactively associate them with. I’m pretty sure they’re the exact same ones seen in the Black Empire assaults in Uldum and the Vale just low res.

Quiraji. They were active in the region far more recently than the Black Empire.

[Santandame]

There is abondant lack of old gods, wild gods and elemental architecture in the world of Azeroth. That's part of why I would have been delighted to have the incarnates force a return to a primordial Azeroth

I would be all for a primordial or ancient Kalimdor expansion but you run the risk of angering those who get upset with time travel.

I remember a “leak” prior to Legion that was clearly a mock of WoD. It was called the Dragon Kings of Azeroth. It had Jaina going back to pre first war Eastern Kingdoms and helping the rulers from back then to enslave the Aspects and funnel their powers in order to wipe out the Horde when they invade. I think it was:

- The Menethils of Lordaeron with the red flight.
- The Sunstriders of Silvermoon with the bronze
- Archmage Antonidas and Dalaran with the blue
- The Bronzebeards with the black flight with Ironforge being the first raid.
- I can’t remember who had the green flight. I want to say Gilneas but it may have also been the Arathi.

I imagine most would have hated that, but I’d have loved it and still would if we got anything like it.

[Holdodlig]

https://twitter.com/wowexdev/status/1696868579587576092

Is this the sword?

Edit: I believe wxd/wowexdev leaked Legion, so even if not Scaleface he's got sources.

I don't know. The "sword" pic looks like some Unreal Engine stuff. Not the recent WoW's detail quality. I really hope it's fake because I was really enjoying my life on Azeroth.

[Nymrohd]

We don't even have Black Empire ruins, why would we have any from before that?

Here is the thing, is all "Titan" architecture actually theirs or is much of it simply repurposed Old God architecture. The ruins in Ahn'Qiraj and Uldum look far more akin to Nyalotha than they do to Ulduar. It is possible that per Neltharion's annotations, much of what we know associate with the Keepers was actually the work of the Black Empire, taken over by them. Are the elemental planes and the works there of their Titans or did they just steal away the thrones of the Elemental lords from Azeroth and banish them to a subplane? And we have seen Aqir structures, both with the Nerubian and the Mantid.

[huth]

I don't know. The "sword" pic looks like some Unreal Engine stuff. Not the recent WoW's detail quality. I really hope it's fake because I was really enjoying my life on Azeroth.

The area around it doesn't look much like a play area. More like something for a cinematic.

Style feels a bit off too, particularly the skybox which seems a bit too photorealistic when WoW tends to go for a more painted look.

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Here is the thing, is all "Titan" architecture actually theirs or is much of it simply repurposed Old God architecture. The ruins in Ahn'Qiraj and Uldum look far more akin to Nyalotha than they do to Ulduar. It is possible that per Neltharion's annotations, much of what we know associate with the Keepers was actually the work of the Black Empire, taken over by them. Are the elemental planes and the works there of their Titans or did they just steal away the thrones of the Elemental lords from Azeroth and banish them to a subplane? And we have seen Aqir structures, both with the Nerubian and the Mantid.

...have you forgotten the Qiraji?

[Nymrohd]

...have you forgotten the Qiraji?

Nope. I am mostly wondering if Uldum was just part of Ahn'qiraj repurposed by the Titans.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

one of the pictures, this seems AI generated

https://x.com/wowexdev/status/1704396587613442160?s=20

???

On one hand, it looks AI-generated on first glance, on the other, I'm inclined to wonder why he'd mislead us that way. Have we tried checking the metadata of the original images to see if he left anything hidden for us? If these are to mislead us, maybe he's hidden something real beneath them.

[KurtMash]

I can see these pictures being generated by ai based on a description of a zone, as seen by someone. This way they can "show" us what they've seen without taking a picture, and with a plausible deniability of actually leaking something.

[huth]

Nope. I am mostly wondering if Uldum was just part of Ahn'qiraj repurposed by the Titans.

The ruins in Uldum look vastly different from the ones in Ahn'qiraj. And we know who built them, since they still live there.