The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Well Done Steak]

Would rather we go to the actual Void to deal with the Void Lords.

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Also, ngl...

I wanna see Disorder beyond the scope of the Burning Legion

So the Void...lands???

Mmmm idk about that

[Kiivar86]

Hell we just had an event talking about cosmic stuff (the secrets of Azeroth event)

Some may not like it but it isn't going away.

[Well Done Steak]

Sure? Ik SL got a lot of flank, but exploring new Cosmic Realms is always on the table. Same thing applies with the more terrestrial stuff, as well as the Cosmic "Dark Beyond" related plotlines.

Also, ik the Void having "areas" kinda negates the idea of Void being Void, but reminder that this is also a fictional verse with beings that literally embody nothingnness itself...so...yeah...

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I mean, we'll likely see the other Cosmic Realms regardless, they'll just be better built up compared to Shadowlands.

I mean I feel like the "voidlands" is just a massive infinite ocean of void energy. I mean who knows, but it'd prob suffer from emerald dreamitus in that it's too much of the same for an entire expansion but perhaps for a patch or raid.

With karesh and nathreza, they're planets affected by the void so there's more room for creativity

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Its much more likely he knows absolutely nothing and just makes shit up to hype up the game(and his stream). He's done that in the past and I see no reason to believe why this time is any different.

Ye, To me the problem with this is - Why Towelliee, pretty much the only one from all the content creators that is close to blizzard is tryyyying sooo haard to be the "hints" guy this time around, it's just doesn't feel like being subtle about it but "tryharding" kinda to share info.

I would believe Towelliee stuff more if there were also other content creators doing that but they don't.


Even tho these pictures that are probably AI generated, i still find them the most believeable.

Also i saw some discussion about cata classic.. i mean - Before classic happened, how many private servers out there were actually based on Cata realms? Probably not many successful ones, compared to vanilla-wotlk.

I was playing private WOTLK before i jumped on retail at the beginning of MoP and there wasn't many Cata realms back then too, so i doubt cata classic is something that people actually are looking for.

[Revamp Man]

Ye, To me the problem with this is - Why Towelliee, pretty much the only one from all the content creators that is close to blizzard is tryyyying sooo haard to be the "hints" guy this time around, it's just doesn't feel like being subtle about it but "tryharding" kinda to share info.

I would believe Towelliee stuff more if there were also other content creators doing that but they don't.


Even tho these pictures that are probably AI generated, i still find them the most believeable.

Also i saw some discussion about cata classic.. i mean - Before classic happened, how many private servers out there were actually based on Cata realms? Probably not many successful ones, compared to vanilla-wotlk.

I was playing private WOTLK before i jumped on retail at the beginning of MoP and there wasn't many Cata realms back then too, so i doubt cata classic is something that people actually are looking for.

They did season of mastery and it died almost immediately
They also have classic separate from Wrath classic
Cata wasn't bad at the end
T11 was horrible and balancing for 10m vs 25m was awful
But end of expansion even heroics were enjoyable

Gonna be just like Wrath with reserved leggos though

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I mean I feel like the "voidlands" is just a massive infinite ocean of void energy. I mean who knows, but it'd prob suffer from emerald dreamitus in that it's too much of the same for an entire expansion but perhaps for a patch or raid.

With karesh and nathreza, they're planets affected by the void so there's more room for creativity

GoldenYak had a pretty interesting idea for an expansion set in the Void, which would have it as a hodgepodge of the remnants of planets destroyed by the Void. I could see something like that being interesting; if it had to be distinguished a bit more from Outland, you could take some additional inspiration from Dark Souls 3's Dreg Heap and put more emphasis on their unnatural convergence.

[Lady Atia]

Imagine we go to both the remains of nathreza and karesh and have to deal with the void lords, and the sire D lead remnants of the BL along with crazy lightbound zealots.

Sounds like a good time to me

Yeah, my current feeling is that they will try to subvert expectations this time with the basic premise being a world revamp with either Xoroth/Ka'resh/Nathreza as max level Zone (similiar to the Emerald Dream but this time, we go there at the start of the Expansion). Have the Citadel of the Dreadlords there as the first Raid Tier with Daddy Denathrius, with a new body powered up by different cosmic forces. Explore both the Nathrezim, the Remnants of the Legion aswell as tease the original Daemon Pantheon that was there before Sargeras and hint that they are still imprisoned, hence setting up a future primal chaos expansion. This would be a little homage to the original classic plan which had Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms with Outlands as max level content. That said, I would still integrate Kalimdor/Eastern Kingdom in both leveling and max level content.

Than in 11.1 we go back to Azeroth and focus on the Scarlet Crusades new homebase, have there be hints about Avaloren, and finally give us our Scarlet Crusade Raid. Lorthaxion could be there, turned traitor and working with Iridikron/Xal/Aszhara.

Lastly 11.2 could be a return to AQ and the Sword were we have to deal with a ressurected C'thun as a distraction while Team Iridikron tries to open the way to Avaloren.

11.3 with Fated Style raids, aswell as the return of the remastered Zul Gurub timewalking raid with different difficulties but easier tuning than a propper tier just for fun (banking on the classic nostalgia).

12.0 would be Avaloren and our fight against the last three of Team Iridikron - himself, Xal and Aszhara with one of the two ladies switching sides during that Expansion, maybe even early on but possible to stab us in the back.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Imagine we go to both the remains of nathreza and karesh and have to deal with the void lords, and the sire D lead remnants of the BL along with crazy lightbound zealots.

Sounds like a good time to me

This sounds like it would suffer from BfA's problem in that it would just be an uncoordinated mess trying to attack too many angles at once.

[Well Done Steak]

You know I've been on karesh's cock for a while now but I'm starting to think Nathreza is a huge candidate.

The leaked cinematic creatures look like dreadlords.

The datamined dread lord set could be the collector's edition mog items similar to SL and DF.

The current unknown status of Sire D.

And those pics look like a planet that got ffffffucked up outland style, which we know is what happened to nathreza in the Illidam novel.

Who knows, maybe we'll go to both and instead of a Seafair exp it's a spacefairing exp, oh boy

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I don't think you can really say "cosmic=bad" because of Shadowlands. Shadowlands was only technically cosmic, but aside from ZM had nothing really thematically cosmic about it. And frankly, I don't even find the First Ones to be all that cosmic in theme either, even if they are supposed to be. Space, void, black holes, glowing worlds, that shit is cosmic.

Plus, death is just a weird realm to explore. It should be the ultimate mystery, and dissolving it down into four distinct factions and themes doesn't really capture every cultural idea of death in WoW either. Also, it makes the player feel punished just for being there, especially when trapped in literal WoW hell: AKA the Maw.

I think TBC executed its theme well. While it was definitely pretty awfully-written at points, its overall aesthetic and portrayal of Outland feels like it's sufficiently cohesive with everything else in the lore. I figure that something that looks more like Outland than a disjointed theme park of random aesthetics—almost all of which are alien to the setting—could work well enough. Playing a bit on 80s high-concept fantasy was a good start, and I figure any future expeditions to alien worlds would be better off if they went with that. For lack of it, even Legion—an otherwise-good expansion—made its cosmic elements feel a bit awkward and aesthetically-bland.

[Nymrohd]

I'll forever be behind the idea of a "phased" world expansion (something I'd have wanted for a Black Empire expac as well and as part of a Death expac using the Veil); you'd pick some contiguous zones on Azeroth, visually update them and then the expansion would be in a Void phase of those zones that would exist coterminous to them. We see the concept while questing with Alleria on Argus when she can slip into a void version of the world. E.g. you could place something like this in Azeroth by having the Sunwell actually invert to the Void as it threatened to do on Alleria's presence and then it would threaten to take the surrounding lands with it.
You'd be able to travel there by a small number of stable void gates in the physical world (which would ofc feature some kind of invasion content) while the questlines would be on the phased world with possible dungeons that exist in both phases. And we could have exploration puzzles that utilize this gating effect.

Can you tell that A Link to the Past and Soul Reaver are some of my favourite games ever?

[Usagi Senshi]

So, going by all the leaked info so far, I am going to whip up a quick speculation before I take a nap.

What if all of the current leaked things actually are correct and are not red herrings but seem so unlikely that they would be seen as such?

What if the sword breaks open the ground that leads to another portal/facility that takes us off world after an even is triggered.

What if the revamp actually is for retail still but contained within its own space that we can level out of or back into if desired. A Classic+ with the added benefit of being inside retail for more gameplay options of your choosing but restricted here and there depending.

Void world stuff actually sounds pretty amazing to me still to be honest.

Next few weeks will be extremely entertaining IMO!

[Polybius]

So, going by all the leaked info so far, I am going to whip up a quick speculation before I take a nap.

What if all of the current leaked things actually are correct and are not red herrings but seem so unlikely that they would be seen as such?

What if the sword breaks open the ground that leads to another portal/facility that takes us off world after an even is triggered.

What if the revamp actually is for retail still but contained within its own space that we can level out of or back into if desired. A Classic+ with the added benefit of being inside retail for more gameplay options of your choosing but restricted here and there depending.

Void world stuff actually sounds pretty amazing to me still to be honest.

Next few weeks will be extremely entertaining IMO!

You mean like this?

Classic -> (WotLK? Skip Cata?) -> Classic Plus + Revamp Textures

Retail -> Dragonflight -> Xpac + Revamp Textures

[Santandame]

You know I've been on karesh's cock for a while now but I'm starting to think Nathreza is a huge candidate.

The leaked cinematic creatures look like dreadlords.

The datamined dread lord set could be the collector's edition mog items similar to SL and DF.

The current unknown status of Sire D.

And those pics look like a planet that got ffffffucked up outland style, which we know is what happened to nathreza in the Illidam novel.

Who knows, maybe we'll go to both and instead of a Seafair exp it's a spacefairing exp, oh boy

Yeah I’m on the Nathreza boat too with all the current “evidence” we have.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I wouldn't be so hasty to assume things. We still have key art featuring a totally unrelated character, so if this art is supposed to hint at anything, I'm thinking it's a specific region like Silithus.

[Polybius]

I wouldn't be so hasty to assume things. We still have key art featuring a totally unrelated character, so if this art is supposed to hint at anything, I'm thinking it's a specific region like Silithus.

It's giving Might of Kalimdor vibes.

[Well Done Steak]

I wouldn't be so hasty to assume things. We still have key art featuring a totally unrelated character, so if this art is supposed to hint at anything, I'm thinking it's a specific region like Silithus.

Damn thrall keyart throws a monkey wrench in everything.

The only way I can tie him to a void exp is with Yrel.

Gerayah will most definitely go to war against the lightbound if they make their way to our timeline. I'm thinking thrall is her mentor and through that relationship might give him some kind of special role. Idfk.

Maybe him being in nzoth vision means something too.

[Makorus]

So I really CBA reading through 100 pages of the same two people arguing a point no one makes just to find actual interesting conversation, so my question is:

These leaks that people are talking about, is there any more than the Towelliee tweet and the "leaked" cinematic still? Because I'd just like to remind people of this.

[Luck4]

But read my post… why would that be compensation? The Cata zones are literally already in retail. The fans of the revamp concept want a revamp to move us away from and to update the Cata-era zones currently in retail. Getting Cata classic isn’t going to be a consolation or compensation for not getting a World Revamp in retail when literally the reason why we want a revamp is to move away from the Cata zones.

This 100%!

Cataclysm Classic will only show why people wanted to play Vanilla/TBC/WOTLK again so badly.

Every reason why most people wanted to play the Classic era servers was introduced/removed in Cataclysm.

Cataclysm design is the antithesis of Vanilla, and Retail nowadays has only doubled on everything that Cataclysm design brought up more than a decade ago.

I hope they bring Cataclysm Classic with no changes whatsoever, and hopefully, they will understand why Retail has been declining so fast since that time.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

So I really CBA reading through 100 pages of the same two people arguing a point no one makes just to find actual interesting conversation, so my question is:

These leaks that people are talking about, is there any more than the Towelliee tweet and the "leaked" cinematic still? Because I'd just like to remind people of this.

Some art that appears AI-generated was posted by a relatively trusted source. While the art doesn't look to me like it's concept art or a real screenshot, it does look like it may be meant to hint at something overall.