The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Cata had problems
BUT
compared to the expansions after (including legion) they weren't bad and addressed quickly

Sure it has problems, every expansion had them. It's the word "disaster" that just did not work for Cata. No expansion other than WoD and SL had disasters imo.

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I've been feeling this way since the beginning of last week, which ironically brings me memories from the 9.0 speculation thread (Shadowlands), where the more stuff got leaked/hinted at, the more disappointed I became.

Honestly I remember the Blizzcon announcement and the only part that sounded exciting to me was original Torghast concept where you would have been able to gear through it (and then it got amazing reviews from all the streamers in the alpha). Obviously that version never went live as a reward system and the difficulty was removed super fast as well.
I was momentarily excited for Soulbinds since they seemed such a perfect way to do fanservice (imagine soulbinding with dead heroes and villains we met or heard off instead of random people we just met in Shadowlands) only soon after to see the Venthyr Soulbinding slide and realize that no, my paladin wouldn't get to Soulbind to Uther.
I think Dragonflight was the first expac announcement I was entering with no expectations and no real hype (and little was created) and for 11.0 I am not expecting much either but rather business as usual (Avaloren with 4-5 zones, 8 dungeons and a starter raid). I think if there is a revamp, it is sadly more likely for 12.0 even though it is wasting the anniversary marketing opportunity.

[Pheraz]

I think you misunderstand what the post is proposing there. Not adding High Elves to retail but a third rail of WoW Retail, Classic (Cataclysm) and Classic+. The idea here being the Dark Portal did not open and this Classic+ goes in a different direction.

Lol. That sounds like an absolute bad idea.
I mean people can come up with whatever idea they want this is a free world but I hope those people don't assume that this idea would be liked by the majority. And ofc not the wow designers

[Lolites]

hardcore proves that.

lol, hardcor is current "flavour of the month", it will slowly dissolve like normal classic and then SOM did... and so will wrath after icc...

many are no lifing classic while they wouldn't touch retail with a stick

and many are nolifing retail while they wouldnt touch classic with a stick... what else than people having different preferences - which is something everybody with working brain already knew - does it prove?

[Polybius]

Sure it has problems, every expansion had them. It's the word "disaster" that just did not work for Cata. No expansion other than WoD and SL had disasters imo.

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Honestly I remember the Blizzcon announcement and the only part that sounded exciting to me was original Torghast concept where you would have been able to gear through it (and then it got amazing reviews from all the streamers in the alpha). Obviously that version never went live as a reward system and the difficulty was removed super fast as well.
I was momentarily excited for Soulbinds since they seemed such a perfect way to do fanservice (imagine soulbinding with dead heroes and villains we met or heard off instead of random people we just met in Shadowlands) only soon after to see the Venthyr Soulbinding slide and realize that no, my paladin wouldn't get to Soulbind to Uther.
I think Dragonflight was the first expac announcement I was entering with no expectations and no real hype (and little was created) and for 11.0 I am not expecting much either but rather business as usual (Avaloren with 4-5 zones, 8 dungeons and a starter raid). I think if there is a revamp, it is sadly more likely for 12.0 even though it is wasting the anniversary marketing opportunity.

Reading these sentiments, I'm bracing for disappointment from a lackluster xpac. Felt this way for BFA and Shadowlands, and somewhat Dragonflight. If it turns out this way it'll be a great time for a long break.

[Nymrohd]

Reading these sentiments, I'm bracing for disappointment from a lackluster xpac. Felt this way for BFA and Shadowlands, and somewhat Dragonflight. If it turns out this way it'll be a great time for a long break.

I am fortunate to still have a large enough friend group that plays WoW so I am not taking breaks (cause I like tanking and I am not giving up my spot; it is so hard to find a raid spot as a tank).
I don't think there has been any wow expansion that was not worth buying and playing though. But at the same moment, very few expansions have actually been worth playing constantly. People would enjoy the game so much more if they took regular breaks. My issue with Dragonflight is that instead of frontloading patches with content it splits it into three separate patches and the world content is practically unplayable once you are far from the patch release. It is a retention machine by drip feeding content.

As for my lack of hype, it comes from just a general lack of trust at Blizzard. Dragon Isles are ok but nothing exciting to me and we also had the OW2 disaster and D4 being fairly disappointing to me so I just do not trust them to give me decent content.

[Reive]

https://twitter.com/towelthetank/sta...67638054555975

towellie said no metzen for retail

lol, hardcor is current "flavour of the month", it will slowly dissolve like normal classic and then SOM did... and so will wrath after icc...



and many are nolifing retail while they wouldnt touch classic with a stick... what else than people having different preferences - which is something everybody with working brain already knew - does it prove?

why do people keep quoting posts i made 50 pages ago?

[Nymrohd]

https://twitter.com/towelthetank/sta...67638054555975

towellie said no metzen for retail

Only he doesn't say that anywhere in his post? Why you lying?

[Kiria]

Only he doesn't say that anywhere in his post? Why you lying?

While you are correct, Towelliees tweet has me intrigued on how this could be exciting for Classic players.

[Reive]

Only he doesn't say that anywhere in his post? Why you lying?

some here think towellie gets infos from blizzard. assuming this is true, this statement kinda implies what i said (on the short term at least)

"I feel like this will be huge for whatever is planned for Classic. The core of the retail story seems to be established for DF. I don't see us going back "to the good ole orccraft" days at least not for 11/12.0. Classic players should be pretty excited. Remember Warcraft Universe. That entails A LOT. Especially for what have planned."

[ImTheMizAwesome]

"I feel like this will be huge for whatever is planned for Classic. The core of the retail story seems to be established for DF. I don't see us going back "to the good ole orccraft" days at least not for 11/12.0. Classic players should be pretty excited. Remember Warcraft Universe. That entails A LOT. Especially for what have planned."

I dunno, i find all this classic+ talk now very confusing.

Especially "I don't see us going back "to the good ole orccraft" days at least not for 11/12.0" i mean what? Both terran gregory and Holly tweeted out that they've been working with Chris for months now since he returned and it clearly means that he will be involved in next expansion stuff.

This whole tweet is at least to me weirdly written to me.. Like this "Remember Warcraft Universe. That entails A LOT. Especially for what have planned.", Towelliee talks like he's a dev on stage or something.

[Dracullus]

i mean it's not like blizzard is going to abandon retail. it will probably get more cosmic crap written by danuser. people who are attached to their collectibles can stay there. classic+ is for ex wow players who hate the direction of retail and classic players who want new content but none of the baggage retail has. hardcore proves that. many are no lifing classic while they wouldn't touch retail with a stick

Hardcore proves what exactly? It launched with 2 servers per region. Same with Wrath fresh start - 2 servers again. And it's not like any of these suffered similar issues to 2019 launch. I think you are confusing hardcore as material for stream with actual gameplay.

And still I don't understand why "ex wow players" who literally hate anything new produced by Blizzard will suddenly play... something new created by Blizzard.

I dunno, i find all this classic+ talk now very confusing.

Especially "I don't see us going back "to the good ole orccraft" days at least not for 11/12.0" i mean what? Both terran gregory and Holly tweeted out that they've been working with Chris for months now since he returned and it clearly means that he will be involved in next expansion stuff.

This whole tweet is at least to me weirdly written to me.. Like this "Remember Warcraft Universe. That entails A LOT. Especially for what have planned.", Towelliee talks like he's a dev on stage or something.

It's just guesses from Towellie, and it's pretty obvious it's not backed by any knowledge if he does it in public like that. In the past he was good source of info if something is coming soon, but a) Blizzard recently is pretty predictable with patch cycle, b) they give whole schedule on Monday anyway.

[Nymrohd]

some here think towellie gets infos from blizzard. assuming this is true, this statement kinda implies what i said (on the short term at least)

"implies" which is how you choose to intepret something is radically different from "said". If you want to be taken seriously make an effort to communicate properly.

And Towellie also makes great leaps in logic. Nothing about Metzen says "orccraft" in the way your usual Garrosh or Alliance fan means "orccraft". Man's favourite character was Malfurion ffs. His version of the Horde was the Chaotic Good Honorable one. I'd expect a Metzen's version of orc lore to be about how the orcs become prosperous and honorable defenders of Azeroth, not about pillaging and staking parents in front of their children.

Also, the other media could very much be non-gaming media. WoW tried with the movie and I am sure Metzen was heavily involved there. Imo WoW should tried to do something that matches Arcane instead.

[Santandame]

Ahsoka, Rise of Skywalker, Book of Boba Fett, the Mandalorian, Rogue One, Obi-Wan, literally everything that happened in the sequels having massive parallels to the OG trilogy, most new Star Wars projects overusing Vader cause "he generates hype", etc.

But yeah, sure, I don't know anything about Star Wars apparently...

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This is in relation to what lies ahead. Doesn't hurt to read.

- Ahsoka following characters such as Ahsoka (Clone Wars), Hera, Sabine Wren, Ezra Bridger, Thrawn (Rebels) and possibly dealing with Abeloth who hasn’t shown up in live action or animation yet.
- Book of Boba Fett the show that literally got taken over by The Mandalorian characters which leads me to:
- The Mandalorian, a show focused around purely new characters following events we know very little about (the status of Mandalore
) with a cameo from Luke Skywalker which makes sense to the stories presented in sequels.
- athe one sequel that had any parallels to the original trilogy was The Force Awakens.
- Star Wars fans slammed Rise of Skywalker because “somehow Palpatine has returned”. Which is antithesis to your assumption that Warcraft fans are like Star Wars fans, hating on anything that’s new.
- Rogue One, you know, the most well received of all the newer films that focuses again on totally new characters showing events we had never seen, only heard of.
- Oh, the same “overused” Vader that has only shown up in the Obi Wan Kenobi series, as well as a cameo in Rogue One. Wow, they are really overusing the poster child of one of the planets biggest franchises and the most iconic fictional character of all time

God, it really seems like Star Wars can’t focus on anything but the original trilogy, can it? Your analogy that Warcraft fans are like Star Wars fans because both hate new things and don’t want new things is terrible because it’s not true. Fans don’t hate on something just because it’s new.

Yes, you clearly don’t know much. Just like you force your opinions on other people telling them they are wrong for their opinions on not liking First Ones lore or anything else you’re a fan of and someone else isn’t, or your petulant, demeaning attitude when someone expresses something you don’t agree with.

[Reive]

Hardcore proves what exactly? It launched with 2 servers per region. Same with Wrath fresh start - 2 servers again. And it's not like any of these suffered similar issues to 2019 launch. I think you are confusing hardcore as material for stream with actual gameplay.

And still I don't understand why "ex wow players" who literally hate anything new produced by Blizzard will suddenly play... something new created by Blizzard.

most ex wow players dislike the way retail wow is. classic hardcore showed that the old "game" had a charm retail wow has lost. you talk about streaming material, but many non streamers are playing hc and not retail. Now we don't know how many players each version of the game has, but it's clear which one is currently more popular

"implies" which is how you choose to intepret something is radically different from "said". If you want to be taken seriously make an effort to communicate properly.

there is nothing to communicate. i posted a link for everyone to read.

[Lahis]

"Warcraft" and "World of Warcraft" are interchangable until they release more titles within the franchise.

Which naturally means no non-Wow Warcraft game could ever be in production because we didn't hear about them 5 years before pre-production began like Elder Scrolls 6.

[Nymrohd]

If anything almost every expac has made additions to the lore that were very welcome. Sure SL is largely disliked but most people would love to see Denathrius back; heck most of the cast from Revendreth is well liked. I mean if we ever went to the ruins of Nathreza and I got to hang out with Renathal and Theodar again helping our assault, I'd be happy (maybe Kael could have changed into a Venthyr as well by then).

And I am not sure people like the original three RTS games. FAR more people played WC3 than WC1-2 and e.g. the Horde of WC3 is a very different beast to the WC1-2 Horde.

[Shadowferal]

As I posted elsewhere, Blizz may view retail as a dead end. Classic plus is a way to correct mistakes made that resulted in massive subscription losses.

[Nymrohd]

As I posted elsewhere, Blizz may view retail as a dead end. Classic plus is a way to correct mistakes made that resulted in massive subscription losses.

And most people would abandon the game if they lost two decades of progress to go play with antiquated gameplay and horrible graphics.

[Fahrad Wagner]

And most people would abandon the game if they lost two decades of progress to go play with antiquated gameplay and horrible graphics.

This exactly. The whole "retail is a dead end" rhetoric is a farce, yes some people are dissatisfied with retail and much prefer Classic, but a lot of people also are having a blast on retail and not touching Classic. To each their own, but one shouldn't prevail over the other

[Lahis]

Mind sharing what they are?

To cut it short: Every Blizzard game except Diablo Immortal is failing, Overwatch is trying Re-relaunch back into OW1 format, Diablo 4 team ha been gutted and new team is working to reboot it with expansion, Dragonflight was recycled from the cancelled Chinese mobile game and 11.0 will go F2Pay with Battle Pass and paid DLC model for each raid tier like Destiny 2.

It is basically just a regular wishlist for Blizzard hater wanting to see the company burn.