The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Shadowferal]

And most people would abandon the game if they lost two decades of progress to go play with antiquated gameplay and horrible graphics.

I'm pretty sure that retail servers will still be in play...for what remains of a playerbase that quits after a month of play.

[Joszef Kiprich]

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towellie said no metzen for retail




why do people keep quoting posts i made 50 pages ago?

Because 50 pages is just 4 days ago?

[Hugnomo]

Obviously Metzen will play a huge role in retail. The idea that retail is this small thing (or dead) and that classic is the focus... people are maybe infusing a bit too much of their own biases into their predictions.

But I am indeed very interested to know if there's going to be more developments on the warcraft franchise beyond just world of warcraft. Either way, I'm incredibly excited for blizzcon.

[Pheraz]

Only he doesn't say that anywhere in his post? Why you lying?

Kinda weird some classic+ bros keep coming to this thread recently. I don't know where this idea got cooked but this will definitely not happen.
They introduced classic to recapture the initial game and expansions. The majority of classic fans expressed they don't want the game to be touched. And now some people come up with this classic+ idea.
I guess maybe those people should just stick to their weird incarnations of wow on those illegal private servers instead of trying to fake a majority of people that want whatever classic+ is, that doesn't exist. It's starting to become a little bit annoying IMO

[Dracullus]

Now we don't know how many players each version of the game has, but it's clear which one is currently more popular.

Yeah, it's clear. On EU retail has right now around 15 Full servers and shit ton of high ones. Do you think hardcore somehow is more popular without any need for additional servers beyond these 2 that exist?

[ImTheMizAwesome]

This exactly. The whole "retail is a dead end" rhetoric is a farce, yes some people are dissatisfied with retail and much prefer Classic, but a lot of people also are having a blast on retail and not touching Classic. To each their own, but one shouldn't prevail over the other

Ye i mean it's not just about collections for me on retail.

Like i really want to have play through some stories and have some evergreen content in EK or Kalimdor in retail, why should i be forced to go back to classic and play through some new stuff there? Why some sort of revamp should only appear there?

With most of the race heritage questlines they show that there is a place for these stories that can be easily expanded upon, like what happened with orc clans uniting, treating mok'nathal as equals, migrating from outland and go on with other stuff that happened in different race questlines.

I feel like october will be a really weird vibe when it comes to speculation and now good chunk of classic only players coming and saying that retail players don't matter - i bet there will be some posts like that. xd

[Nymrohd]

Kinda weird some classic+ bros keep coming to this thread recently. I don't know where this idea got cooked but this will definitely not happen.
They introduced classic to recapture the initial game and expansions. The majority of classic fans expressed they don't want the game to be touched. And now some people come up with this classic+ idea.
I guess maybe those people should just stick to their weird incarnations of wow on those illegal private servers instead of trying to fake a majority of people that want whatever classic+ is, that doesn't exist. It's starting to become a little bit annoying IMO

I would LOVE to play a revamped WoW with a better story and modern reinterpretations of old dungeons but I also understand it won't ever happen.

Also @Aucald, does Classic discussion have any place here?

[Woggmer]

Obviously Metzen will play a huge role in retail. The idea that retail is this small thing (or dead) and that classic is the focus... people are maybe infusing a bit too much of their own biases into their predictions.

But I am indeed very interested to know if there's going to be more developments on the warcraft franchise beyond just world of warcraft. Either way, I'm incredibly excited for blizzcon.

WELLLLLLL.... There is one thing, but it is completely out of left-field. There were dataminers who found a character model for Dr. Boom (y'know.. that one goblin NPC for a side quest in TBC that later became a Legendary Card in Hearthstone?) ...Yeah, apparently some dataminers found a full model of him and his mech suit in Crash Team Rumble. (That one Crash Bandicoot PvP game that came out this year.)

...It is perhaps the first time a WoW character ever crossed over into another IP outside of Blizzard's IPs. Though, I doubt that his inclusion could be a hint to anything... and if it was a hint at a "goblin underground expansion" then it would be a far-reaching stretch.

[Nymrohd]

WELLLLLLL.... There is one thing, but it is completely out of left-field. There were dataminers who found a character model for Dr. Boom (y'know.. that one goblin NPC for a side quest in TBC that later became a Legendary Card in Hearthstone?) ...Yeah, apparently some dataminers found a full model of him and his mech suit in Crash Team Rumble. (That one Crash Bandicoot PvP game that came out this year.)

...It is perhaps the first time a WoW character ever crossed over into another IP outside of Blizzard's IPs. Though, I doubt that his inclusion could be a hint to anything... and if it was a hint at a "goblin underground expansion" then it would be a far-reaching stretch.

I think with the acquisition it would be very likely that we will see Blizzard characters make their way to MS games.

[Jaggler]

it's delusional to think that classic would become the new "main branch" of WoW. If anything they will carry over some aspects from classic like they did in DF, but everything else is just that: delusional.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

This exactly. The whole "retail is a dead end" rhetoric is a farce, yes some people are dissatisfied with retail and much prefer Classic, but a lot of people also are having a blast on retail and not touching Classic. To each their own, but one shouldn't prevail over the other

While I won't pretend I wouldn't be pleased to see a theoretical Classic+ outpace retail, it seems implausible, and it definitely would be a bad idea to prioritize Classic+ over retail.

Also @Aucald, does Classic discussion have any place here?

I figure it should insofar as it regards Classic+. While it's technically a deviation from the intended purpose of the thread, it does connect to the overall spirit of discussing the future of World of Warcraft.

[Makorus]

WELLLLLLL.... There is one thing, but it is completely out of left-field. There were dataminers who found a character model for Dr. Boom (y'know.. that one goblin NPC for a side quest in TBC that later became a Legendary Card in Hearthstone?) ...Yeah, apparently some dataminers found a full model of him and his mech suit in Crash Team Rumble. (That one Crash Bandicoot PvP game that came out this year.)

...It is perhaps the first time a WoW character ever crossed over into another IP outside of Blizzard's IPs. Though, I doubt that his inclusion could be a hint to anything... and if it was a hint at a "goblin underground expansion" then it would be a far-reaching stretch.

We literally got a Call of Duty - Diablo crossover happening right now.

Crash is an Activision game, so it's not that farfetched.

TECHNICALLY, there is a Warcraft Peggle Crossover.

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Yeah, it's clear. On EU retail has right now around 15 Full servers and shit ton of high ones. Do you think hardcore somehow is more popular without any need for additional servers beyond these 2 that exist?

Hardcore is a Streamer-bait gamemode, just like things like "Getting over it" or most Horror games.

The main reason they exist is for streamers to play it and create clout for the game that way, so naturally, it's gonna seem "more alive" than Retail, because there's more streams etc.

[Sondrelk]

I'm pretty sure that retail servers will still be in play...for what remains of a playerbase that quits after a month of play.

So yes, they would abandon the game.

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it's delusional to think that classic would become the new "main branch" of WoW. If anything they will carry over some aspects from classic like they did in DF, but everything else is just that: delusional.

What is it that is in Classic that cannot be made to work in Retail? Because any feature you don't port over would be a potental dealbreaker, just as the reverse is true for every feature you do port.

[Ersula]

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towellie said no metzen for retail

That's a wild interpretation of what he said. Unless they're announcing a new Warcraft game or movie, it just means he's working on Classic Retail And Hearthstone.

[Nymrohd]

That's a wild interpretation of what he said. Unless they're announcing a new Warcraft game or movie, it just means he's working on Classic Retail And Hearthstone.

I honestly think they probably never stopped considering other media. I think the movie was a wrong call but they absolutely could get an animated series.

I've long wondered if they could do a CRPG but after BG3 I'd rather they did not.

[Shadowferal]

WoW game director Ion Hazzikostas and executive producer Holly Longdale said Metzen's role as creative advisor didn't do him justice. They went on to say he is a powerful force at Blizzard HQ that is dedicated and passionate about making Warcraft as a franchise "everything it can be."

Hazzikostas said having Metzen in the office to bounce ideas off of has been "amazing," especially as the WoW story team looks to go beyond many of the villains, characters, and settings that Metzen helped create two decades ago.

"As we look to the future, it's no secret…we've almost exhausted the Warcraft III-era canon of what are the villains we have yet to face and what are the places we have yet to go, and we are creating new ones as we speak," Hazzikostas said. "The Primal Incarnates that are central to Dragonflight are a new creation to World of Warcraft. Having Chris available as a resource and as a partner as we start to create new things, new places, and yet have them still feel quintessentially Warcraft is something he is uniquely suited to do."

Wait and see, I guess.

[Jaggler]

What is it that is in Classic that cannot be made to work in Retail? Because any feature you don't port over would be a potental dealbreaker, just as the reverse is true for every feature you do port.

I don't really know what you are trying to say or how that relates to my post tbh.

[huth]

I honestly think they probably never stopped considering other media. I think the movie was a wrong call but they absolutely could get an animated series.

I've long wondered if they could do a CRPG but after BG3 I'd rather they did not.

They'd probably do better on a more action oriented title anyway.

I could see them pulling off an 3rd person ARPG, though.

IMO the campaign of D4 was actually pretty good. It's the endgame stuff that's lacking.

[Shadowferal]

What is it that is in Classic that cannot be made to work in Retail?

Horde vs Alliance.

[huth]

Horde vs Alliance.

That didn't work any better back then than today. WotLK was pretty much when the ridiculously forced part of it started, with them starting a brawl right in front of ICC for no good reason.