The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

I'm still puzzled by how many people seem to assume there was ever going to be anything in the first place. Vakthros is pretty much just some broken towers on a mountain with no indication that it'd still be usable after 10,000 years of neglect.

I mean there probably was going to be something there as in some minor questing scenario that got cut; we do know that originally Azure Span's questline led to the raid which was also positioned in Azure Spawn.

[Cheezits]

I think we are 1 week away from blizzcon virtual ticket rewards reveal, which lore character do you think will be the murlock pet this time?

Honestly? Azshara, unless they haven't done a Doomplate Thrall murloc.

[username993720]

Eh even back in vanilla it was so very easy to ruin the illusion they tried to craft for Teldrasil and that's because the concept for it was soddy. Don't get me wrong, I loved the zone and it was my introduction to WoW. But at no point while on Teldrassil did I feel I was on a tree; it looked like I was on a forest because there was soil beneath my feet (and even caverns); you'd only see the branches if you run to the edge of the zone and then you'd see the completely unnatural tree trunk that I guess had elevated a mass of soil up in the sky?

I would hope if they use Amirdrassil for the new Night Elf Capital that it is a backdrop or that buildings are around the trunk and roots (or possibly inside folds of the trunk) but definitely not just propped up on the top level

What the hell are you talking about? It starts out as an enchanted forest and at some point you get to the edges and see the height and branches and think to yourself wow... even that portal to the dock emphasized it, or the hippogryph to Darkshore.

Teldrassil is overrated. Nothing about it was unique. Just a generic wood elf city and land.

And the music.
What do you consider a good zone?

[Hitei]

It doesn't matter if it's AI image or not. True or fake, it is meant to be a hint, not some leaked image.

No it's not. He specifically said that he wasn't doing riddles or anything because he doesn't have any significant information this time around, just these pictures he was given.

[Cheezits]

I think people will feel better about Amirdrassil not being on Kalimdor if they reveal the scope of the new city it may come with, as well as easy access (portals?) to Ashenvale/Hyjal. Maybe it will be surrounded by tons of boats as well?


The common complaint (besides the losing ancestral home thing) is that the expansions are too disconnected. But what if they try and change this by adding areas that keep old expansions relevant over time? They already have seeded this somewhat with the Nighthold in Suramar.

[Well Done Steak]

The murloc will either bel Xalafin or Yrlurk. Or both????

[Worldshaper]

Wait. For the BlizzConline one in 2021, they did a Blizzard polar bear as well as a "moon-touched" Netherwhelp. This was the year they announced the 9.1 patch, so it was generally pretty awful for WoW players.

The event in 2022 was cancelled, which is probably why they held the Dragonflight reveal as a separate event in April that year, a couple of months later.

I know the 2021 items were probably more of a "Blizzard turns 30" kinda thing, but it's still interesting. The bear mount is straight out of the Azure Span, thematically (I know, I know, Blizzard, snow, ice, etc.), but the pet? We're bringing Nether Dragons to the Emerald Dream in 10.2, aren't we? Will they be "moon-touched" by Elune?

[Cheezits]

I know the 2021 items were probably more of a "Blizzard turns 30" kinda thing, but it's still interesting. The bear mount is straight out of the Azure Span, thematically (I know, I know, Blizzard, snow, ice, etc.), but the pet? We're bringing Nether Dragons to the Emerald Dream in 10.2, aren't we? Will they be "moon-touched" by Elune?

Yeah it was probably a very early foreshadowing that Nether Drakes (dragons as a whole) would be appearing. The polar bear was used for speculation of a future ice zone of some kind, as they bothered to make a new polar bear model that's not just a white bear.

[Samin]

I think we are 1 week away from blizzcon virtual ticket rewards reveal, which lore character do you think will be the murlock pet this time?

My bet is on one of the incarnates, probably not Raz but the other three seem all kind of equally likely.

[Jaggler]

Wait. For the BlizzConline one in 2021, they did a Blizzard polar bear as well as a "moon-touched" Netherwhelp. This was the year they announced the 9.1 patch, so it was generally pretty awful for WoW players.

The event in 2022 was cancelled, which is probably why they held the Dragonflight reveal as a separate event in April that year, a couple of months later.

I know the 2021 items were probably more of a "Blizzard turns 30" kinda thing, but it's still interesting. The bear mount is straight out of the Azure Span, thematically (I know, I know, Blizzard, snow, ice, etc.), but the pet? We're bringing Nether Dragons to the Emerald Dream in 10.2, aren't we? Will they be "moon-touched" by Elune?

It was a Netherdrake because of TBC classic that launched in 2021

[Daniri]

so basicaly from another dimension?
yeah that is soo unusual in sci-fi settings... /s

If something being from another plane of existence makes it intrinsically sci-fi was their point, then it was even dumber than I thought. Go ahead and call descriptions of the underworld and the lower planes sci-fi if you want, it won't change the way anyone feels about the difference in tone between Warcraft 2 and Star Trek.

[Lady Atia]

I think we are 1 week away from blizzcon virtual ticket rewards reveal, which lore character do you think will be the murlock pet this time?

I have the gut feeling that it will be a Thralluc. Also hoping for either a transmog and/or a mount, simply because this is the first Blizzcon since Corona and we also did get pet+mount with blizzconline if I remember it right.

[Ersula]

I think we are 1 week away from blizzcon virtual ticket rewards reveal, which lore character do you think will be the murlock pet this time?

I thought to myself "Well, they didn't do virtual ticket because it was free last year" and I checked: It's 100% free again this year. But you can still "Buy the Virtual ticket for special in-game goodies." Why on earth are they still calling it a virtual ticket. That's just a cosmetic bundle at this point.

[Makorus]

I'm still puzzled by how many people seem to assume there was ever going to be anything in the first place. Vakthros is pretty much just some broken towers on a mountain with no indication that it'd still be usable after 10,000 years of neglect.

It has that "special big map icon" thing that dungeons/raids have, plus it was important enough that Raszageth wanted to destroy it, and potentially claim a prize from within it. We never really find out why it is so important.

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I think we are 1 week away from blizzcon virtual ticket rewards reveal, which lore character do you think will be the murlock pet this time?

I think it's gonna be a Fyrakk murloc.

I am more excited for the mount anyway, the Blizzcon mounts are usually quite cool.

[huth]

If something being from another plane of existence makes it intrinsically sci-fi was their point, then it was even dumber than I thought. Go ahead and call descriptions of the underworld and the lower planes sci-fi if you want, it won't change the way anyone feels about the difference in tone between Warcraft 2 and Star Trek.

The difference between SciFi and Fantasy is almost entirely arbitrary. And WarCraft 1 was originally intended as a Warhammer Fantasy game at a time when that was considered to be taking place in the Warhammer 40k universe.

The difference between WarCraft and Star Trek is far more down to the difference in subject matter, where Star Trek is far more concerned with sociopolitics than action, than it is to SciFi vs. Fantasy.

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It has that "special big map icon" thing that dungeons/raids have, plus it was important enough that Raszageth wanted to destroy it, and potentially claim a prize from within it. We never really find out why it is so important.

You mean the ones typically used for significant structures in the open world? They aren't for Dungeons. It's just that dungeons are typically placed near them. There's a lot of them that have no dungeons anywhere close, though.

[Ersula]

The difference between SciFi and Fantasy is almost entirely arbitrary. And WarCraft 1 was originally intended as a Warhammer Fantasy game at a time when that was considered to be taking place in the Warhammer 40k universe.

The difference between WarCraft and Star Trek is far more down to the difference in subject matter, where Star Trek is far more concerned with sociopolitics than action, than it is to SciFi vs. Fantasy.

I always liked that Warcraft included Science fiction motifs. It's a setting that consists of a long string of aliens invading new planets. And its not purely arbitrary; a lot of people have pointed out Star Wars is Fantasy but Star Trek is science fiction: Fantasy is concerned with telling psudohistorical stories that focus on lineage, while Science Fiction focuses on speculative technology. A transporter is based on speculative scientific principals. A laser sword isn't. A laser beam cannot cause a planet to explode. But instead Star Wars is about cultures, families & warfare, which places it firmly among the fantasy genre. Where Tolkien Fantasy based itself on medieval europe, star wars based itself on the aesthetics of the late 1970s.

I just think Warcraft shouldn't be afraid of spaceships or laser swords. It'll always be fantasy.

[Grazrug]

What the hell are you talking about? It starts out as an enchanted forest and at some point you get to the edges and see the height and branches and think to yourself wow... even that portal to the dock emphasized it, or the hippogryph to Darkshore.



And the music.
What do you consider a good zone?

Tiragade Sound.

[pacotaco]

It was a Netherdrake because of TBC classic that launched in 2021

But why "moon-touched"? It would make more sense a fel-corrupted, no?

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I wouldnt be surprised if it's just a map from the new raid that is mislabelled.

The 2nd "room" looks like the Nymue fight zone.

[Auxis]

But why "moon-touched"? It would make more sense a fel-corrupted, no?

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The 2nd "room" looks like the Nymue fight zone.

That room also has a giant flower/clover motif on the ground based on the line work. So I'm also putting my vote in for Amirdrassil wing.

[Makorus]

What the hell are you talking about? It starts out as an enchanted forest and at some point you get to the edges and see the height and branches and think to yourself wow... even that portal to the dock emphasized it, or the hippogryph to Darkshore.



And the music.
What do you consider a good zone?

It doesn't feel like a tree.

A tree zone needs verticality, and Teldrassil is one of the flattest zones.

When you get to the branches, and you look up and see nothing when you are supposed to see more of the tree kills the illusion. You are in a destroyed tree trunk rather than a tree. It might as well be a crater.