The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Kiivar86]

...Wouldn't Dungeons and Dragons sue Blizzard at that point if that was the case?

Also kinda weird that there isn't any connection between the Niffen and Kobolds. I don't mean like they're related, I mean like if they're friendly or not with the Kobolds.

So long as they're different enough it should be find. Don't even need to call them kobolds, honestly.

I mean, they haven't gone after them over the beholders and those are among D&D's more iconic monsters.

[Woggmer]

So long as they're different enough it should be find. Don't even need to call them kobolds, honestly.

I mean, they haven't gone after them over the beholders and those are among D&D's more iconic monsters.

The Beholder in D&D vs the WoW one is different in that a Beholder has eyes at the end of each tentacle.. while the WoW version just has the one eye and multiple tentacles.. even the older WoW version had one big eye and several mini eyes around the body.

The closest we have to what D&D kobolds look like are the Draknoid Hatchlings.. like that one battle pet you'd get if you pre-ordered Dragonflight. Which already have the Goblin's model skeleton.. so they'd have to make a variant that is more reptilian and less dragon looking.

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[Chickat]

Wowhead is wrong btw, it's only 5 weeks of timewalking, not 6. So the new patch will prolly be on November the 1st, with the new raid 1-2 weeks after that (and after Blizzcon).

They wont launch the patch a day or two before Blizzcon imo. Im guessing patch is Nov 7th with raid a week later.

[Ebonn]

That, and the fact that Blizzard might push out a new class earlier than normal in order to broaden the support role in future raiding content and not have it completely rely on Augmentation. If that happens, that class would be a prime candidate for inclusion.

That’s actually a very good point. Being that it is tech based and brand new, it could easily fill any role they wanted it too. Hell, they could even make it involve music if they wanted to appease the bard people. (I hope they don’t…) That class could easily fill melee or ranged dps, tanking, healing, or support dps depending on how it was designed. And if they DO indeed go underground, and involve more Goblins and Dwarves and (hopefully(personally)) Gnomes, it’s a really really solid possibility the class gets added with it after years and years of fans talking about it.

Also very possible they never add that class because of the controversy ha.

[Kiivar86]

The Beholder in D&D vs the WoW one is different in that a Beholder has eyes at the end of each tentacle.. while the WoW version just has the one eye and multiple tentacles.. even the older WoW version had one big eye and several mini eyes around the body.

The closest we have to what D&D kobolds look like are the Draknoid Hatchlings.. like that one battle pet you'd get if you pre-ordered Dragonflight. Which already have the Goblin's model skeleton.. so they'd have to make a variant that is more reptilian and less dragon looking.

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As I understand it WotC (or Hasbro I guess? WotC in the past at least) was pretty litigious with anything close to it but fair enough. And I admit my own ignorance in things as I just kinda figured kobolds in general were draconic to some degree but a wiki dive has since told me I'm very much wrong and kobolds are honestly pretty varied with versions of them being just kinda gremlins, small human-like sprites, their names were apparently the root for goblins even, and even some canine-like ones (those seem to be the version Japan prefers which are derived from Record of Lodoss War which themselves are derived from earlier D&D versions).

So yeah, seems I'm mistaken.

...still want my draconic goblins though.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

This is pretty big - I didn’t even know you should drain elemental lords powers like wtf.

Could he take away flame abilities from shamans if he became the temp fire lord? Haha

A shaman only needs one elemental to grant them power like we used to get in the classic quest so even if the fire lord did try and stop shamans it would just take a single elemental ignoring his order to make it has no effect.

[Revamp Man]

Wowhead is wrong btw, it's only 5 weeks of timewalking, not 6. So the new patch will prolly be on November the 1st, with the new raid 1-2 weeks after that (and after Blizzcon).

So they launch a patch a few days before Blizzcon

Sure...and the world revamp won't be a few zones at a time

[Nymrohd]

So long as they're different enough it should be find. Don't even need to call them kobolds, honestly.

I mean, they haven't gone after them over the beholders and those are among D&D's more iconic monsters.

They cannot sue over kobolds because kobolds were part of the Open Gaming License and its successor texts and were never copyrights. After all most D&D monsters have to some extent a basis in real world myths so Hasbro or previous owners would never have been allowed to establish a copyright on them. And as said, even if they could they waived that right when they included them in the SRD or other similar texts. Beholders and Mind Flayers are a different case (were never under an open license) and Blizzard has to an extent used both which suggests that Hasbro is not interested.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Some (non-spoilery) updates to kiosk (BlizzCon demo) mode this build, so to nobody's surprise it looks like we're getting a playable demo at BlizzCon. It was also updated from being limited to only Bastion to the Emerald Dream (placeholder while they work on it/test it, I guess).

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Playable ogres, i still believe.

[Polybius]

"Highly exaggerated"


No one told me. I was there. It was terrible. The decline of WoW started with Cataclysm. Game lost 4m subs in a single expansion.
So, let's double down i say.

It's not 4M subs there, and 11M to 9M is not significant enough to sound the alarms (it's within 2 StDev of the average) and call it terrible, especially for a live-service game. You were just part of the group of people who didn't like Cataclysm.

[Sondrelk]

"Highly exaggerated"


No one told me. I was there. It was terrible. The decline of WoW started with Cataclysm. Game lost 4m subs in a single expansion.
So, let's double down i say.

Or an alternative reading is that the decline of WoW started with WotLK, since that is when the game no longer managed to gain more subscribers than it lost.

[Luck4]

I know the thread drifted a bit from the speculation stuff, but now that we're nearly 30 days away from the announcement if I had to bet into something, I would go with this:



Sadly, no Revamp again, my fellow world revampers. Maybe next time?!

Only another two years or so will tell...

I only hope 11.0 will not have a Master Voidlord, who was behind everything void-related stuff that happened since "only God knows when", if you know what I mean.

[Kiria]

Trading post from the looks of it.

Wastewander outfit's trading post too.

Phew that kills the idea of a Underground Goblin/Gnome centric expansion, will take this reward though

[Polybius]

Or an alternative reading is that the decline of WoW started with WotLK, since that is when the game no longer managed to gain more subscribers than it lost.

Pretty much, I recall the newcomers being part of the reason for easier, streamlined content (i.e. Cata Heroic nerfs). It can be interpreted many ways so I wouldn't place much weight into it. Legion was one of the better expansions and it likely never reached WoW's peak numbers. Likewise, other games have never reached these metrics, doesn't mean they're terrible.

[Makorus]

I hate to use the actual word so I won’t… but that Warcraft video of the Gnome and Goblin man. I dunno… if anything has ever tried to hint at a special tech class, that is it right there. More than anything, this is convincing me Undermine is coming in some form lol.

I wouldn't take it TOO seriously.

It's Gnome/Goblins used as comedic relief as a reference to this ad for the NE/Undead heritage armour.

Because they are short. (But some people might argue that Gnome/Goblins are not used for comedic relief!)

[pacotaco]

Assuming "frost phoenix" means the Sapphire Skyblazer, that's the same rig used for all the newer raptor (bird) mounts. Like the Zenet Hatchling.

They're literally the djaradin phoenix, but painted blue. The cat is probably a scrapped concept for the Emerald Dream patch.

[Chickat]

https://x.com/TheWindstalker/status/...271182554?s=20

Put an orc on it is insteresting wording isnt it. Kinda confirms an orc heavy or at least thrall heavy exapsnio imo.


World revamp, and Lightforged Draenor invasion? Could explain the data mined new manafield from Ethereals.

Would also be a fun time to add Ethereals as a neutral race.

[Makorus]

The Ilgynoth whispers are Blizzards best creation because they create so much discussion by just being some vague sounding BS that could apply to a Million different things.

Every single quote has been solved in every single expansion, somehow. Five lanterns turned from Pillars of Creation Covenants to Oathstones. Vassal of Life turned from Bolvar to Ysera to Malfurion to now Alexstrasza. The Blind Queen turned from Sylvanas, to Azeroth, to Tyrande, to Azshara, to any female character.

Then we get whispers like "The lord of ravens will turn the key" or "The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you" which I don't think will ever become relevant, or haven't been relevant.

They should give whoever wrote those a raise because they certainly got their money worth.

[Dismayxz]

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I think he's just using Classic audience to bait them into thinking something is coming and then go "HAH 'GOTTEM" after Blizzcon Opening Ceremony, honestly.

It just completely contradicts the Gamespot interview.

Got nothing against the guy, but do any of you actually think that most of these Statements he's making hold any substance towards anything that's going to happen? Why should he, on his own, be allowed to throw out not hints, but actual insinuations to direction so abundantly. It's just weird. He's not gonna be Blizzards golden child of Streamers that gets extra privileges above all others and he's probably also not in the Loop on anything without signing something that'd partially prevent these kinds of Tweets (his Tweets on the Bcon Topic/Xpac/Classic+ in general).

My money is simply on his usual shenanigans where he's just fishing for MMOC Reactions. Bait people en masse, then open the site on Stream sometime, laugh at his haters, laugh at the ones that believe it and fuck off till next Season.

[huth]

The reason why they are once again relevant, is because the text 'A Song of the Depths' bring up the torches again. Everything in that text is very literal and we can easily point to what most of it means, which by extension means the whispers aren't just nonsense.

Unless they aren't talking about the same torches. Il'gynoth does not have any kind of monopoly on those.