The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

i dont think it ever was consensus...
i think consenus was that leveling was best (or second best to raids) part of wod, but thats mostly bcs there was not much else

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its literaly imposible to say who was "strongest leak" until we have actual confirmed expansion to "compare" it with leaks...

Thrall on the keyart, and the Chinese predictor saying that 11.0 is element based supports the notion of an underground expansion concept.

[Dracullus]

Horrific visions were always too stressful to me.

Honestly, rather than just Torghast, I think the devs should reconsider Island expeditions as well.
Remove the time limit, and instead focus more on randomized quests and enemies. I am sure that with the Torghast tech you could have all kinds of fun mini adventures.

Yeah, timer and limited attempts suck. 9.1.5 Mage Tower is best iteration of solo challenge (beside scaling to TW gear, but that's separate issue).

It's not even that timer is too punishing or something, EXISTENCE of timer makes whole thing less fun for some people. I really hope they remove timer in M+ under 20 or 15 - game evolved so olny 20+ are considered real challenge, so it would be perfect to recreate M0 experience from launch for people that doesn't play M+ because timer.

[Sondrelk]

Thrall on the keyart, and the Chinese predictor saying that 11.0 is element based supports the notion of an underground expansion concept.

It does? Sounds more to me like it's evoking Cataclysm in which Thrall and the Elements were among the first things you saw.

A Goblin on the keyart, and Titans being important and you might have been onto something.

[Lolites]

Thrall on the keyart, and the Chinese predictor saying that 11.0 is element based supports the notion of an underground expansion concept.

one of which we have no clue if its ANYWHERE near reality (chinese), and other doesnt really suggest underground expansion (Thrall can mean MANY things, underground would be very low on the list imo)

i know its what you would like, but until we know true literaly any random "leak" can be closer to reality than whatever enyone else says, so "strongest leak" is nothing but wishful thinking for now

[Teriz]

It does? Sounds more to me like it's evoking Cataclysm in which Thrall and the Elements were among the first things you saw.

Except he’s wearing his current gear, not his gear from Cataclysm.

A Goblin on the keyart, and Titans being important and you might have been onto something.

They would never put a Goblin on the keyart because that would give it away. It has to relate yet still be vague. Previous examples of key art showcase this.

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one of which we have no clue if its ANYWHERE near reality (chinese), and other doesnt really suggest underground expansion (Thrall can mean MANY things, underground would be very low on the list imo)

The predictor has been correct every time in the past (I think he’s predicted every expansion correctly since Legion). And if we’re dealing with elements, which major WoW character best relates? It’s rather obvious.

i know its what you would like, but until we know true literaly any random "leak" can be closer to reality than whatever enyone else says, so "strongest leak" is nothing but wishful thinking for now

Again, I’m merely saying it’s the strongest because it is supported by the evidence on multiple levels. Toweliee’s statements simply back up what we’re seeing in the game, Thrall, Zaralek Cavern, and an elemental prediction.

[Grazrug]

Except he’s wearing his current gear, not his gear from Cataclysm.



They would never put a Goblin on the keyart because that would give it away. It has to relate yet still be vague. Previous examples of key art showcase this.

I dread a possible Orc expansion. WoD did so much damage to their lore it still hurts even so many years after.

[Teriz]

I dread a possible Orc expansion. WoD did so much damage to their lore it still hurts even so many years after.

It might be a Thrall expansion, not an Orc expansion. Thrall is WoW’s top Shaman, so if something is elemental in nature, he’s the one to call. Also the elements could relate to the world soul on multiple levels.

[Nymrohd]

A second iteration of Torghast.

The gameplay of Torghast with the variety of environment and enemies in Island Expeditions. With cosmetic rewards at least on par with the latter.

[Lolites]

The predictor has been correct every time in the past (I think he’s predicted every expansion correctly since Legion). And if we’re dealing with elements, which major WoW character best relates? It’s rather obvious.

did the predictor say "underground expansion" or did he simply say "elements" and you jumped to underground/undermine bcs you have boner for tinker?

Again, I’m merely saying it’s the strongest because it is supported by the evidence on multiple levels. Toweliee’s statements simply back up what we’re seeing in the game, Thrall, Zaralek Cavern, and an elemental prediction.

elements sure, thats first or one of first thing that comes to mind with thrall
underground? not really

i know you like to connect dots in certain ways that would lead to what you WANT, but that doesnt make it evidence...
we have "evidence" pointing out in multiple directions, saying one is strongest just bcs you want it is just wishful thinking...

hell most "evidence" was for pirate/seafarer expansion until it was outright said "no pirates"...

[Nightshade711]

Love it or hate it, he’s been the strongest leak we’ve had this season.

I don’t see how “hey guys I think this is happening” is any stronger than images from a credible leaker.

Tie it in w/ Ion‘s statements at last Blizzcon about a “light vs void” expansion and all the hints in-game since Legion. It’s almost guaranteed at this point.

[Villager720]

I really feel like, while yes, Blizzcon key art characters have been relevant to expansions of the past - I honestly think this time that Thrall is more representative of Metzen being a huge part of Blizzcon than a story direction. Happy to be wrong though!

[huth]

A second iteration of Torghast.

As long as it is an independent progression path for 1-5 players like M+ and Raids are (independent. Not for 1-5 players.)

IMO they should have designed it as an evergreen from the start, with later patches and expansions adding new biomes and being able to do endless runs and a Torghast track in the vault, instead of primarily using it as the source for legendaries.

[Teriz]

I don’t see how “hey guys I think this is happening” is any stronger than images from a credible leaker.

+Thrall on the Key art
+Chinese Predictor with 100% track record saying 11.0 is elemental-based
+Iridikron being earth-based primal dragon who opposes the titans (What better way to screw over the titans than go after the world soul?)
+Toweliee stating that the next expansion is underground
+Ion stating they want to use Zaralek Cavern tech in future content
+Devs stating after Cataclysm that they wanted goblins to see Undermine at some point in the future
+Random junk (RAF from March, Mecha Kobolds, Dr. Boom datamined, Wastewander gear, Goblin vs Gnome vid on WoW twitter)

I'd put that over a random statement from Ion years ago and some AI pics.

[Sondrelk]

Except he’s wearing his current gear, not his gear from Cataclysm.



They would never put a Goblin on the keyart because that would give it away. It has to relate yet still be vague. Previous examples of key art showcase this.

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The predictor has been correct every time in the past (I think he’s predicted every expansion correctly since Legion). And if we’re dealing with elements, which major WoW character best relates? It’s rather obvious.



Again, I’m merely saying it’s the strongest because it is supported by the evidence on multiple levels. Toweliee’s statements simply back up what we’re seeing in the game, Thrall, Zaralek Cavern, and an elemental prediction.

Previous "vague" hints consist of examples such as Alexstrasza for Dragons, Sylvanas for Death, Jaina for Kul Tiras, and Illidan for the Burning Legion.

Even Yrel returning makes more sense for Thrall on the keyart becuaeof the WoD connection.

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+Thrall on the Key art
+Chinese Predictor with 100% track record saying 11.0 is elemental-based
+Iridikron being earth-based primal dragon who opposes the titans (What better way to screw over the titans than go after the world soul?)
+Toweliee stating that the next expansion is underground
+Ion stating they want to use Zaralek Cavern tech in future content
+Devs stating after Cataclysm that they wanted goblins to see Undermine at some point in the future
+Random junk (RAF from March, Mecha Kobolds, Dr. Boom datamined, Wastewander gear, Goblin vs Gnome vid on WoW twitter)

I'd put that over a random statement from Ion years ago and some AI pics.

Towellie also stated with certainty that a world revamp is never happening. Simultaneously Ion confirmed with certainty that a World Revamp was on the books at some point.
One of these two are lying. And I would put my money on the one whose stream consists of coming on the forums and laughing at us.

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I really feel like, while yes, Blizzcon key art characters have been relevant to expansions of the past - I honestly think this time that Thrall is more representative of Metzen being a huge part of Blizzcon than a story direction. Happy to be wrong though!

Honestly the same argument has been made for every keyart character since at least Legion, so I am taking my chances on Thrall being a hint.

Besides, Thrall is vague enough anyways. It would only be irrelevant if he doesn't show up at all. Even backside of Azeroth with him asking us to go would make him relevant

[Teriz]

Previous "vague" hints consist of examples such as Alexstrasza for Dragons, Sylvanas for Death, Jaina for Kul Tiras, and Illidan for the Burning Legion.

Alexstraza didn't appear on the key art. Illidan appeared on Legion key art AFTER the Gamescon announcement. Pre-announcement the key art showcased Gul'dan.

The rest is you using bias based on current information. At the time, their appearance on the key art was just as vague as Thrall's is right now.

Even Yrel returning makes more sense for Thrall on the keyart becuaeof the WoD connection.

The Lightbound expansion is a possibility as well. However, Toweliee's statements and other factors place an underground expansion a little higher on the possibility scale.

Towellie also stated with certainty that a world revamp is never happening. Simultaneously Ion confirmed with certainty that a World Revamp was on the books at some point.
One of these two are lying. And I would put my money on the one whose stream consists of coming on the forums and laughing at us.

Incorrect. Towellie stated that the world revamp isn't happening in 11.0. Ion's statements don't contradict what Towellie is saying.

[Nightshade711]

+Thrall on the Key art

Metzen returning / Thrall was seen on horrific visions so the void has plans for him.

+Chinese Predictor with 100% track record saying 11.0 is elemental-based

Scaleface hasn’t been wrong so far either. (Like when he leaked Legion & Demon Hunters)

+Iridikron being earth-based primal dragon who opposes the titans (What better way to screw over the titans than go after the world soul?)

Iridikron who is currently in the void working with known void entities.
+All of the hints to Ethereals/void stuff since Legion.

+Toweliee stating that the next expansion is underground

Toweliee has been wrong plenty of times before.

+Ion stating they want to use Zaralek Cavern tech in future content

Doesn’t mean the tech would be used for underground. There’s a million things they can use the seamless transition tech for.

+Devs stating after Cataclysm that they wanted goblins to see Undermine at some point in the future

Devs have said a lot before. Like wanting Naga, Dreadlords, and Drakonids to be playable.

+Random junk (RAF from March, Mecha Kobolds, Dr. Boom datamined, Wastewander gear, Goblin vs Gnome vid on WoW twitter)

Random junk is random junk.
Dr. Boom being datamined might not mean anything. Rafaam was datamined too with a void ethereal model.

I'd put that over a random statement from Ion years ago and some AI pics.

It’s a lot of stretching at best.

[Hitei]

+Thrall on the Key art
+Chinese Predictor with 100% track record saying 11.0 is elemental-based
+Iridikron being earth-based primal dragon who opposes the titans (What better way to screw over the titans than go after the world soul?)
+Toweliee stating that the next expansion is underground
+Ion stating they want to use Zaralek Cavern tech in future content
+Devs stating after Cataclysm that they wanted goblins to see Undermine at some point in the future
+Random junk (RAF from March, Mecha Kobolds, Dr. Boom datamined, Wastewander gear, Goblin vs Gnome vid on WoW twitter)

I'd put that over a random statement from Ion years ago and some AI pics.

-Not underground
-Not underground
-Off doing void shit, not underground

-One piece of "evidence"

-The technology isn't for "underground" zones it's the airlocks that allow seamless transition into a loaded zone
-Raf has never indicated any future content, Mecha kobols are in a different game by a different group of devs, wastewander gear is TRading Post (not an indication) and not underground, the wow twitter posts random shit constantly.

So you have exactly one piece of evidence, that a content creator said on stream he thinks it's gonna be underground.

[Sondrelk]

Devs have said a lot before. Like wanting Naga, Dreadlords, and Drakonids to be playable.

Let's not forget the devs, live on stage in response to a direct question, confirmed with utmost certainty, that we would see the big Goblin cannon in Azshara fire a shot.

[Lolites]

+Thrall on the Key art
+Chinese Predictor with 100% track record saying 11.0 is elemental-based
+Iridikron being earth-based primal dragon who opposes the titans (What better way to screw over the titans than go after the world soul?)
+Toweliee stating that the next expansion is underground
+Ion stating they want to use Zaralek Cavern tech in future content
+Devs stating after Cataclysm that they wanted goblins to see Undermine at some point in the future
+Random junk (RAF from March, Mecha Kobolds, Dr. Boom datamined, Wastewander gear, Goblin vs Gnome vid on WoW twitter)

I'd put that over a random statement from Ion years ago and some AI pics.

seems less "evidence" than you had for tinkers being class in 10.0... but lets disect it anyway just for fun

+Thrall on the Key art
+Chinese Predictor with 100% track record saying 11.0 is elemental-based
+Random junk (RAF from March, Mecha Kobolds, Dr. Boom datamined, Wastewander gear, Goblin vs Gnome vid on WoW twitter)
neither of those mean "underground", and first two are kinda different "way" than third (elements vs technology)

+Iridikron being earth-based primal dragon who opposes the titans (What better way to screw over the titans than go after the world soul?)
we dont even know when we will deal with him, not to mention he is also void affiliated as far as we know...

+Ion stating they want to use Zaralek Cavern tech in future content
next excpansion was decided long before ZC...

+Devs stating after Cataclysm that they wanted goblins to see Undermine at some point in the future
something they said AGES ago is not really evidence for the next expansion...

+Toweliee stating that the next expansion is underground
literaly only thing suggesting underground... he was right couple times in past, and wrong MANY times over... kinda like you, so i see why you would believe him

yep, soooooo much evidence for underground expansion...
like if you want it fine, im not strongly opposed the idea myself, but the "evidence" is extremely poor no matter what you keep telling yourself...

[huth]

Doesn’t mean the tech would be used for underground. There’s a million things they can use the seamless transition tech for.

I'd be as down for sky island adventures as i'd be for Underdazeroth. Would be a good use of Dragonriding/Dynamic Flying as well.