The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[lanerios]

laying the icon over the portal seems more fitting.

I miss Teriz' constant "The next one I'll totally be right bruh! It's for real! I am telling you! it's totally true!"

Oh and the Azshara login screen.

I do love the "No pirates" tweet in there <3

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Was just something I saw on Asmon clips on youtube

lol taking Asmon seriously.. and people wonder why he's a joke on 99% of the MMO social media

[Santandame]

I’ve seen it said a few times in this thread that Scaleface was the one who leaked Legion… if memory serves, the guy who leaked Legion was called Jericho wasn’t he and and his source got in trouble with Blizzard over it. Then he gave us a fake leak regarding BfA and admitted he knew nothing of BfA for the reason I just said.

Are him and Scaleface the same person or are people getting them confused?

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He's reading a 4Chan leak bro, I fucking can't rn lmaooo

"Dragonflight was a canceled mobile project that was forced into WoW after 9.1's horrid reception"

This is so fucking false lmaooo. Blizzard always plans things like 2 expansions ahead. Dragonflight was likely being worked on during SL's development as well. There's no way they would've had the time to force DF into WoW and still release it in 2022.

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You're absolutely silly if you think this.

It’s not that funny.

[lanerios]

He's reading a 4Chan leak bro, I fucking can't rn lmaooo

"Dragonflight was a canceled mobile project that was forced into WoW after 9.1's horrid reception"

This is so fucking false lmaooo. Blizzard always plans things like 2 expansions ahead. Dragonflight was likely being worked on during SL's development as well. There's no way they would've had the time to force DF into WoW and still release it in 2022.

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You're absolutely silly if you think this.

The adorable part is that he acts as if he completely knows what happened and why. This dude is so amazingly delusional, and his fans keep lapping it up like he's some form of prophet.

[Reive]

I’ve seen it said a few times in this thread that Scaleface was the one who leaked Legion… if memory serves, the guy who leaked Legion was called Jericho wasn’t he and and his source got in trouble with Blizzard over it. Then he gave us a fake leak regarding BfA and admitted he knew nothing of BfA for the reason I just said.

Are him and Scaleface the same person or are people getting them confused?

don't know about legion, but scaleface correctly leaked dragonflight and the dracthyrs

[Santandame]

The adorable part is that he acts as if he completely knows what happened and why. This dude is so amazingly delusional, and his fans keep lapping it up like he's some form of prophet.

I’m pretty sure he’s just playing a character and a successful one at that.

[Teriz]

True, but what we are saying is that this is not the time to try something new. This is the time to go for a guaranteed crowd pleaser.

Once you have the World Revamp out of the way is when you can try to go for something new and unproven. Partially because that is when they might have more goodwill stored up, and partially because they would then officially be out of obvious ideas for future expansions.

Well that's the thing; A World Revamp isn't a guaranteed crowd pleaser either. We're occupying a bubble on these forums and the official forums because the vast majority of WoW players aren't on forums, and probably wouldn't view a world revamp as something worth an expansion. Believing that Blizzard is structuring the new expansion around what the supposed consensus is on WoW forums is a rather silly thing to believe.

[Well Done Steak]

Did metzen work on BFA?

[ParanoiD84]

I’m pretty sure he’s just playing a character and a successful one at that.

Extremely successful i would say seeing how wealthy the guy is. I do like him though and you can see it's just a character as he does put out videos of his real self too from time to time.

[Lady Atia]

Well that's the thing; A World Revamp isn't a guaranteed crowd pleaser either. We're occupying a bubble on these forums and the official forums because the vast majority of WoW players aren't on forums, and probably wouldn't view a world revamp as something worth an expansion. Believing that Blizzard is structuring the new expansion around what the supposed consensus is on WoW forums is a rather silly thing to believe.

Yeah sure, because a huge Nostalgia-Bait-World-Revamp-Back-To-Azeroth Expansion wouldn't please everyone who left WoW over BFA/Shadowlands. Especially now that they hype up Metzen's return, who did the work on the original versions of EK/Kalimdor. You are delusional if you think some random no-lore-before cave or bug expansion would bring in more players. Even with Avaloren people would go Ava-what? during the announcement.

[Lady Atia]

"But but a 4Chan leak said Alex Afrasiabi was responsible for all the bad story points in WoW, so it MUST be true"

Believing fucking 4Chan, imagine bro...

Well, that was true though, and confirmed by people who actually work at Blizzard, not 4chan.

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We don't know. People are saying the BFA cinematic was the last thing he worked on, but that's just an assumption cause it's all "warry" with the factions and whatnot, and WoW fans have this weird assumption that if it's not faction related, it's not WoW.

Iirc he said he didn't know the story of Sylvanas when he left (which isn't surprising as fucking Afrasiabi didn't even write it out other than the BfA ending of her abandoning the Horde, thanks to the CGI cinematics having to be done far earlier than the other stuff, so the current team had to work with his nonplaned shitstory going into Shadowlands ...).

[Lady Atia]

Believe it or not, people like the idea of WoW going to new places, and Metzen being Exective Creative Director means the build up to these new places and ideas could be great, resulting in fans being excited and whatnot.

I get many old WoW fans think the new shit isn't "WoW" and they want to "Go home", but the old world isn't all of Warcraft, and there are MANY areas left to explore still, both on Azeroth, and the surrounding Cosmos.

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Wait when did he state he didn't know the stuff with Sylvanas?

I think it was either via a tweet or during an interview.

And yeah, but new places need some setup. Imagine if they had teased Ardenweald, Maldraxxus and Revendreth aswell as the Jailer during Legion - the hype for Shadowlands would have been even greater. Atleast they seeded Avaloren with Dragonflight, so it seems like they actually learned from Shadowlands.

[Santandame]

We don't know. People are saying the BFA cinematic was the last thing he worked on, but that's just an assumption cause it's all "warry" with the factions and whatnot, and WoW fans have this weird assumption that if it's not faction related, it's not WoW.

That’s not true. No one has ever said the likes of the Legion or the Scourge or Old Gods etc don’t feel like WoW.

The only things that ever get criticised by the fan base for not “feeling like WoW” was aspects of Shadowlands and certain aspects of Dragonflight.

[Lady Atia]

Believe it or not, people like the idea of WoW going to new places, and Metzen being Exective Creative Director means the build up to these new places and ideas could be great, resulting in fans being excited and whatnot.

I get many old WoW fans think the new shit isn't "WoW" and they want to "Go home", but the old world isn't all of Warcraft, and there are MANY areas left to explore still, both on Azeroth, and the surrounding Cosmos.

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Wait when did he state he didn't know the stuff with Sylvanas?

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@Lady Atia

Who did you think made the Progenitor stuff then?

Tbf they said that Dragonflight was the first Expansion that was "fully Danuser's baby", so I wouldn't be surprised if Afrasiabi created the First Ones as a last big "Fuck you, not only can I do MoP better with BFA, I can also do better Titans".

That said, I think Danuser took control as late as Sanctum of Domination, basically the start of Sylvanas' well deserved redemption arc, and the better parts of Shadowlands lore.

[Well Done Steak]

Did we discuss turbulent timeways?

It ends nov 7, the week after blizzcon. So looks like 10.2 is the final major patch and launches nov 7.

We know that 10.3 ends with 6 fully empowered aspects (incarnate for Vyr) via the blessing of the tree. We also know that Tyr's story ends as well with his resurrection.

How can this transition to 11.0?

Well Iri warned us of the harbinger and ancient Nzoth's whispers that highly imply Amridrassil's roots.

[Triceron]

You're absolutely silly if you think this.

I don't. Someone merely asked the source and I posted what I saw. I'm kinda surprised so many people just jump on the hate train even though the leaks are all prefaced as being 'probably fake, but let's go over this anyways'.

All I did was ask people here if 4chan was ever right about Blizzard/WoW.

[Lady Atia]

Did we discuss turbulent timeways?

It ends nov 7, the week after blizzcon. So looks like 10.2 is the final major patch and launches nov 7.

We know that 10.3 ends with 6 fully empowered aspects (incarnate for Vyr) via the blessing of the tree. We also know that Tyr's story ends as well with his resurrection.

How can this transition to 11.0?

Well Iri warned us of the harbinger and ancient Nzoth's whispers that highly imply Amridrassil's roots.

Wowhead is wrong btw, it's only 5 weeks of timewalking, not 6. So the new patch will prolly be on November the 1st, with the new raid 1-2 weeks after that (and after Blizzcon).

[Santandame]

I don't. Someone merely asked the source and I posted what I saw. I'm kinda surprised so many people just jump on the hate train even though the leaks are all prefaced as being 'probably fake, but let's go over this anyways'.

All I did was ask people here if 4chan was ever right about Blizzard/WoW.

It’s fine you weren’t being silly and you asked a perfectly normal question for a speculation thread. Those concepts are always fun to look through and discuss. There’s always the chance 4chan has successfully leaked something as we’ve had leaks occur all over the show over the years, they aren’t just an MMO champ thing.

[Teriz]

Yeah sure, because a huge Nostalgia-Bait-World-Revamp-Back-To-Azeroth Expansion wouldn't please everyone who left WoW over BFA/Shadowlands. Especially now that they hype up Metzen's return, who did the work on the original versions of EK/Kalimdor. You are delusional if you think some random no-lore-before cave or bug expansion would bring in more players. Even with Avaloren people would go Ava-what? during the announcement.

Yeah, it wouldn't, just like Cataclysm was a world revamp that didn't please everyone when it was released. In fact, many viewed Cataclysm as a disappointment after WotLK, and to this day its considered on the lower end of WoW's expansions, despite containing a substantial revamp. I'm willing to bet that part of the reason Blizzard has been hesitant about another revamp is because of their experience from Cataclysm, where the team did a great deal of work revamping the zones, but most players blazed through them to the end game, not really caring about the new quests in the old zones.

Also I wouldn't consider Undermine a no-lore cave, actually quite the opposite; There's quite a bit of lore about that location from WoW itself and the old RPGs.

[Triceron]

It’s fine you weren’t being silly and you asked a perfectly normal question for a speculation thread. Those concepts are always fun to look through and discuss. There’s always the chance 4chan has successfully leaked something as we’ve had leaks occur all over the show over the years, they aren’t just an MMO champ thing.

Not sure what you mean. It's leak season, this is practically where all of this shit goes. 4chan leaks and rumors have been discussed for decades now here. They're just not taken very seriously, but then again no leak (outside of datamines) is.

[Worldshaper]

I mean... what if?

What if they've decided, fuck it. We ran out of lore. Like Ion said, we dug ourselves into a corner (paraphrasing).

What if the new expansion is this:

- We lose. The Void wins. Our timeline is effed. Finally, we met an enemy that was just too far ahead of us. The Old Gods really did do their homework, and there's nothing we can do. Except...

- Chromie or somebody does a thing. We see one of those time-rewind effects, moving back through history at a rapid pace.

- *THUNK* The effect stops. A cinematic plays. We hear the first few musical notes of an enhanced Elwynn Forest soundtrack. We open our eyes. We've been given a second chance to stop the Void.

- The expansion is literally Classic+, but in the modern engine. Perhaps a few features are altered, but in general it's still the same game.

Lore is reset. Ton of characters and locations return. We set out on a new journey, and it's all in glorious HD.