Leaving M+ group should give you DESERTER

[Nite92]

It does not.

I had a key this morning on my alt where the tank, 2098 rating, decided to run through the ritual of bones. He died miserably and we wiped. Then he started flaming me for not healing him.

This is something that should be basic knowledge.

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It includes alts of players that have already obtained it as well, it's not on per account-basis. It grabs the data by individual characters.

Ok, that is the reason for it, but it still does not explain how you arrive at 5%. To me it looks not realistic, that KSM holder have on average 3 chars with ksm

[potis]

What the actual fuck. How is asking for the source of your numbers inappropriate?
Why am I stupid for asking it?
Why do you assume I am bad at math?
Because I did not telepathically know where you had gotten your numbers from?

How do you land at 5%, when the page literally says:
"15.0396%
The percentage of players tracked by Data for Azeroth that have obtained this item"

Because i clearly stated OVERALL PLAYERS AND NOT ACTIVE PLAYERS.

Frankly i am gonna get banned if i mock you more and i cant be bothered, as i said, figure it out yourself how % works and the terms overall and active playerbase.

Yes the decent players in WoW since 2004 are below 2-5% of the total population, comprende easier now ?I will repeat it so you figure it out.

And a small example, the 15 IRL friends i have that havent logged on WoW for 2 years, and didnt play Shadowlands but have all Legion/BFA keystone master, are part of that 2-5%, compared to the "I have never done a Mythic 0" in my life with 10 years continuous subscription.

TLDR, People are bad, you are nothing special, KSM is a massive achievement for the average player even if its a joke, which it is when you are part of the 2% thats not retarded in a pool of probably with basic scaling, 200mil WoW accounts the last 18 years.

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It includes alts of players that have already obtained it as well, it's not on per account-basis. It grabs the data by individual characters.

And thats of active population right now, if characters havent logged on for a few months,armory starts clearing out the database.

[lllll]

Ok, that is the reason for it, but it still does not explain how you arrive at 5%. To me it looks not realistic, that KSM holder have on average 3 chars with ksm

It's not 3 characters with KSM.

The achievement is account-wide, it gets tracked for all the characters the page can find with the achievement. It doesn't tie them together as being one account and instead counts each and every one as an individual character rather than from an account.

If you had some trash character that you just have standing in oribos for the lulz and you haven't even done any m+ on it, it will still get added to the data because you have the KSM achievement that is account-wide and can be seen when grabbing data with the API.

[potis]

Lmao, do you have so little argumentation that you have to shame people on the level of keys they are doing ? Feel free to tell me where does OP specified that his comment was only adressing people doing +12 and above and not about the vast majority of players doing less.

No, but this is what you guys dont get.

Your miserable disconnected low skilled experience, does not represent the gameplay.

I am not denying that you play, or do things, or access to things, i am denying to accept you have an opinion about the matter cause you simply do not know better.

This is the problem with mmo-champion posters, you guys are so low skilled its insane, Dunning Kruger full force literally and imagine that someone like you, that thinks its acceptable to say "I am doing +9s" a month into the tier, is still better than 99% of the population!

[crusadernero]

Because i clearly stated OVERALL PLAYERS AND NOT ACTIVE PLAYERS.

Frankly i am gonna get banned if i mock you more and i cant be bothered, as i said, figure it out yourself how % works and the terms overall and active playerbase.

Yes the decent players in WoW since 2004 are below 2-5% of the total population, comprende easier now ?I will repeat it so you figure it out.

And a small example, the 15 IRL friends i have that havent logged on WoW for 2 years, and didnt play Shadowlands but have all Legion/BFA keystone master, are part of that 2-5%, compared to the "I have never done a Mythic 0" in my life with 10 years continuous subscription.

TLDR, People are bad, you are nothing special, KSM is a massive achievement for the average player even if its a joke, which it is when you are part of the 2% thats not retarded in a pool of probably with basic scaling, 200mil WoW accounts the last 18 years.

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And thats of active population right now, if characters havent logged on for a few months,armory starts clearing out the database.

Yeah I agree. KSM is a massive achivment to get in wow for most players.

[Nite92]

Because i clearly stated OVERALL PLAYERS AND NOT ACTIVE PLAYERS.

Frankly i am gonna get banned if i mock you more and i cant be bothered, as i said, figure it out yourself how % works and the terms overall and active playerbase.

Yes the decent players in WoW since 2004 are below 2-5% of the total population, comprende easier now ?I will repeat it so you figure it out.

And a small example, the 15 IRL friends i have that havent logged on WoW for 2 years, and didnt play Shadowlands but have all Legion/BFA keystone master, are part of that 2-5%, compared to the "I have never done a Mythic 0" in my life with 10 years continuous subscription.

TLDR, People are bad, you are nothing special, KSM is a massive achievement for the average player even if its a joke, which it is when you are part of the 2% thats not retarded in a pool of probably with basic scaling, 200mil WoW accounts the last 18 years.

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And thats of active population right now, if characters havent logged on for a few months,armory starts clearing out the database.

I am so confused by your rambling. Can you stay on the same topic for more than 3 sentences without wandering off to some irrelevant anecdote regarding your friends.

How you arrive at 5% from the 15% shown. Show me, how this number is actually calculated.

[potis]

Yeah I agree. KSM is a massive achivment to get in wow for most players.

I understand where he is coming from, its not his fault, people cant understand how massive WoW actually is at times and when you are decent as he is, you are surrounded by equally decent players, unless you see/meet others, you dont understand the difference.

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I am so confused by your rambling. Can you stay on the same topic for more than 3 sentences without wandering off to some irrelevant anecdote regarding your friends.

How you arrive at 5% from the 15% shown. Show me, how this number is actually calculated.

No, i do not consider you intelligent enough, friends are an example, remove the word friends, add something else, i simply cant,

Its why i love mmo-champion, it doesnt matter that you might be a decent player, you are simply irrelevant.

[Nite92]

It's not 3 characters with KSM.

The achievement is account-wide, it gets tracked for all the characters the page can find with the achievement. It doesn't tie them together as being one account and instead counts each and every one as an individual character rather than from an account.

If you had some trash character that you just have standing in oribos for the lulz and you haven't even done any m+ on it, it will still get added to the data because you have the KSM achievement that is account-wide and can be seen when grabbing data with the API.

Ok I see, but is this really true?

On the site it says:
"15,0396%
The percentage of players tracked by Data for Azeroth that have obtained this item"

Wouldnt it state characters if it was as you say it is?

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No, i do not consider you intelligent enough, friends are an example, remove the word friends, add something else, i simply cant,

Its why i love mmo-champion, it doesnt matter that you might be a decent player, you are simply irrelevant.

Great, so you admit it is an asspull.

[lllll]

Ok I see, but is this really true?

On the site it says:
"15,0396%
The percentage of players tracked by Data for Azeroth that have obtained this item"

Wouldnt it state characters if it was as you say it is?

The page has no ability to tell which account a character belongs to. That's not available through the API. It can probably try to piece together which character belongs to another character through dates on achievements and so on but it's not a 100%.

[potis]

Ok I see, but is this really true?

On the site it says:
"15,0396%
The percentage of players tracked by Data for Azeroth that have obtained this item"

Wouldnt it state characters if it was as you say it is?

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Great, so you admit it is an asspull.

It isnt, the other person responding to you have the brain to understand basic things, you do not, so now you have two people explaining to you, and you still barely get it, i simply cant.

But its okay.

Now i have to pretend i am working from home and i cant teach you 5th grade math anymore.

[Zardas]

No, but this is what you guys dont get.

Your miserable disconnected low skilled experience, does not represent the gameplay.

I am not denying that you play, or do things, or access to things, i am denying to accept you have an opinion about the matter cause you simply do not know better.

This is the problem with mmo-champion posters, you guys are so low skilled its insane, Dunning Kruger full force literally and imagine that someone like you, that thinks its acceptable to say "I am doing +9s" a month into the tier, is still better than 99% of the population!

Lmao, such elitism, that's very sad. How can you type that and except to have any legitimacy after that ?

[crusadernero]

I understand where he is coming from, its not his fault, people cant understand how massive WoW actually is at times and when you are decent as he is, you are surrounded by equally decent players, unless you see/meet others, you dont understand the difference.

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No, i do not consider you intelligent enough, friends are an example, remove the word friends, add something else, i simply cant,

Its why i love mmo-champion, it doesnt matter that you might be a decent player, you are simply irrelevant.

As someone who has relied on pugs for yeeeeaaaaaars I can fairly say that the average skill of wow players are low. At best its decent enough to clear decent content.

When it comes to pushing m+ keys, once you reach a certain rating you start playing with people that are equally or better than you. At that point you can clear difficult content, but it can (is) a real struggle to reach it. Cause in the end, you rely on strangers in pugs to help you progress. Most players dont care about it, or just doesnt have the skillset for it.

Its like playing Overwatch2 ranked games and solo queue. You might be a diamond player, but your teammates might be silver. Good luck progressing.

[potis]

Lmao, such elitism, that's very sad. How can you type that and except to have any legitimacy after that ?

What do you mean, that your pathetic WoW experience has any legitimacy? Dude, pay your sub so we can get new raids and pretend you have any fucking clue about the game.

I will play my 30 hours a month on my main and take a break for few months while you work on your KSM, alright?

Buy a token also, more tokens, more content.

Thats what it comes down to the end, cause we have nothing else in common game wise.

[Zardas]

What do you mean, that your pathetic WoW experience has any legitimacy? Dude, pay your sub so we can get new raids and pretend you have any fucking clue about the game.

I will play my 30 hours a month on my main and take a break for few months while you work on your KSM, alright?

Buy a token also, more tokens, more content.

Thats what it comes down to the end, cause we have nothing else in common game wise.

Not gonna lie, your salt is delicious

[potis]

Not gonna lie, your salt is delicious

You are right on the stereotype track by the way, first elitism, then random ramblings cause you got exposed as nothing but a terrible player.

Dont worry, you are still better than the LFR player and the pet battler.

But you still dont get an opinion about the game.

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As someone who has relied on pugs for yeeeeaaaaaars I can fairly say that the average skill of wow players are low. At best its decent enough to clear decent content.

When it comes to pushing m+ keys, once you reach a certain rating you start playing with people that are equally or better than you. At that point you can clear difficult content, but it can (is) a real struggle to reach it. Cause in the end, you rely on strangers in pugs to help you progress. Most players dont care about it, or just doesnt have the skillset for it.

Its like playing Overwatch2 ranked games and solo queue. You might be a diamond player, but your teammates might be silver. Good luck progressing.

Dont forget, thats still is higher skilled based gaming.

What you are describing, isnt exactly that, its what i tend to call "swamp" or "cesspool" of WoW, you can follow it with the complains and in game keys, its where the mass of the population that is better, but not good enough, "evolves" together every season.

If you are caught in it as a pug, you have a miserable time, back when leveling took a bit longer, you could experience it with Heroics/Lockouts bla bla.

Now its the M+, a 16-20 with a decent group is 20 times easier than a 10-12 where the majority is stuck in.

[Nymrohd]

You are right on the stereotype track by the way, first elitism, then random ramblings cause you got exposed as nothing but a terrible player.

Dont worry, you are still better than the LFR player and the pet battler.

But you still dont get an opinion about the game.

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Dont forget, thats still higher skilled based gaming.

What you are describing, isnt exactly that, its what i tend to call "swamp" or "cesspool" of WoW, you can follow it with the complains and in game keys, its where the mass of the population that is better, but not good enough, "evolves" together every season.

If you are caught in it as a pug, you have a miserable time.

I am sure you never get an opinion about anything since your attitude probably gets you banned anywhere you post after a while so no feedback ever gets accounted. Ineffective communicator and all.

[potis]

I am sure you never get an opinion about anything since your attitude probably gets you banned anywhere you post after a while so no feedback ever gets accounted. Ineffective communicator and all.

Okay? And your point is what exactly?

In order to communicate properly both sides require to be equal or at least of equal knowledge.

You cant teach a dolphin to walk, it remains a sea creature.

I cant teach a bad player to stop being bad, when its integrated in him.

[Zardas]

You are right on the stereotype track by the way, first elitism, then random ramblings cause you got exposed as nothing but a terrible player.

Dont worry, you are still better than the LFR player and the pet battler.

Oh I also do a lot of pet battles ! Getting close to 2000 pets right now.

But you still dont get an opinion about the game.

"You don't partake in the same niche activies as me so you have no right to have an opinion about the game".

I hope Blizz add some clown tmog on the trading post so you can get a proper outfit.

[potis]

Oh I also do a lot of pet battles ! Getting close to 2000 pets right now.



"You don't partake in the same niche activies as me so you have no right to have an opinion about the game".

I hope Blizz add some clown tmog on the trading post so you can get a proper outfit.

"I do irrelevant shit in a gear chasing game that they implemented so people like me spend their money and i think i am not a victim".

Make sure you buy Fifa and NBA every year also, dont forget CoD.

[klaps_05]

Is it the case ever that this kind of stuff isnt written by ppl who constantly deplete keys and just want to force others to stay? Even in the case u get deserter, people will still leave a group full of failures.