Leaving M+ group should give you DESERTER

[Tech614]

The difference is M+ is not automatic que with an inherent time limit on how long it will take. Also has legitimate reasons for abandoning a run if the group can't do it. There is no way for them to tell automatically if the group chose to abandon the key, if the person didn't feel like being in a 2 hour run after 5 full wipes etc.

People certainly leave M+s for bs reasons but there are legitimate reasons to leave one. There is never a good reason to leave a solo shuffle. Absolutely terrible comparison.

Most of the time someone leaves a M+ for a bs reason they where also toxic and spewing garbage in the chat so report them for that and move on. Most of these type of people aren't silent leavers so there is a way for you to seek punishment for them most of the time.

[lllll]

There is never a good reason to leave a solo shuffle. Absolutely terrible comparison.

Your MMR doesn't get decrease if you leave. If you're going to get 0 wins, you might as well just leave in the current state because you'll get those points you lose for leaving back in no time if you win due to MMR not decreasing.

[Tech614]

Your MMR doesn't get decrease if you leave. If you're going to get 0 wins, you might as well just leave in the current state because you'll get those points you lose for leaving back in no time if you win due to MMR not decreasing.

Which gos against the spirit of it entirely. That's not a good reason that's just saying you found an exploit and are mad blizzard is trying to fix it.

[lllll]

Which gos against the spirit of it entirely. That's not a good reason that's just saying you found an exploit and are mad blizzard is trying to fix it.

I'm not mad at blizzard for "trying to fix it". I'm mad that they even let it slip in the first place. I completely understand why someone would leave given how it works though and it's a good reason with the way it currently works.

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You'd have to be doing like, 32 keys a week on average at least to get near that amount, around 10000 even.

So I'm a bit skeptical admittedly, but I'll roll with it. There's a difference though between the top end players (assuming you'd be around there with that many keys) and the middle ranked players even where more wipes would probably happen despite still being able to time the key and not being carries where people would rage quit over one screws up

If the raider.io recaps are to be trusted, I did some 12000ish keys during BFA & SL over all my characters. Legion not included because they don't have a recap for it but I played just as much during Legion, if not more.

[Tech614]

I'm not mad at blizzard for "trying to fix it". I'm mad that they even let it slip in the first place. I completely understand why someone would leave given how it works though and it's a good reason with the way it currently works.

It's not a good reason and it's pure BM. Arguing it's a good reason would only come from someone that actively does it. When you que for a solo shuffle you are committing to 6 matches and have a rough idea of how long it will take. Short of a real life emergency occurring there is never a good reason to leave one and doing so just makes you a tool with no respect for the other people in the match.

[lllll]

It's not a good reason and it's pure BM. Arguing it's a good reason would only come from someone that actively does it. When you que for a solo shuffle you are committing to 6 matches and have a rough idea of how long it will take. Short of a real life emergency occurring there is never a good reason to leave one and doing so just makes you a tool with no respect for the other people in the match.

I don't even play solo shuffle, so that's laughable to say. I played until I got my elite pvp set and then I stopped because I got what I wanted from it.

[tomten]

Stop expecting people to stick around to carry you through a dungeon in pugs.

It's far from that, people are just assholes.
I did a +12 on my alt pala yesterday, was late and no healers really signed so took the first one.
He let the rogue die a couple times but we didn't have any wipes. Just before 3rd boss he just goes afk (we're still gonna time it). We finish trash and thinking he maybe DC.
Doesn't come back, we 4man the boss, still just afk's.
We do last boss and wipe at 5% with 1 min left on timer.

Had he just not afk'ed? We would almost 2 chest it. Instead? We failed the key...

I also think if you cant dedicate 30 min win or lose on a run? You just shouldn't do it.
They really need to punish you for leaving before the timer ends. Make it unable to queue for 1 hour.
Would make wonders for the pug scene.

[lllll]

They really need to punish you for leaving before the timer ends. Make it unable to queue for 1 hour.
Would make wonders for the pug scene.

No, it wouldn't. Why would I, as a healer, risk that I get locked out of m+ due to bad groups? I'd just stop pugging and only play in premade groups. As would many other tanks or healers.

[Polybius]

I've played probably 10s of thousands of key since Legion and I've seen people leave over the most stupidest of things a handful of times.

Well it’s cool that the world revolves around you.

OT: This would be harder to control, what if the entire group disbands? Everyone gets the debuff. Too many conditions to ensure it works.

[lllll]

Well it’s cool that the world revolves around you.

If you're having a lot of people leaving for "the most stupidest of things" and I don't with the amount of keys I've run then that points to you or someone you invited causing those leaves, in some way. Either you don't know how to put a group together or you're doing something to make people leave.

[Polybius]

If you're having a lot of people leaving for "the most stupidest of things" and I don't with the amount of keys I've run then that points to you causing those leaves, in some way. Either you don't know how to put a group together or you're doing something to make people leave.

Or get this… either you’ve been the first to leave or you’ve never done lower keys. In my experience (Healer) people doing dumb shit, constantly dying and wiping the group, are the first to leave.

[lllll]

Or get this… either you’ve been the first to leave or you’ve never done lower keys. In my experience (Healer) people doing dumb shit, constantly dying and wiping the group, are the first to leave.

Yeah, you're definitely doing something to cause leaves.

[Polybius]

Yeah, you're definitely doing something to cause leaves.

And you must be all-seeing or something because you know everyone’s experiences.

Get a grip.

[lllll]

And you must be all-seeing or something because you know everyone’s experiences.

Get a grip.

No, I can tell just from your attitude when you went "people doing dumb shit". You're most likely flaming them.

[tomten]

No, it wouldn't. Why would I, as a healer, risk that I get locked out of m+ due to bad groups? I'd just stop pugging and only play in premade groups. As would many other tanks or healers.

You dont have any responsibility about the groups you choose to join/run? Same as the leader chooses who to invite. That shit goes both ways.
Maybe that would be better for everyone, if you and others did that?

[Twdft]

You know, playing bad isn't the only thing that makes people leave.

I don't do thousands of runs but I still do pug a fair share on my alt and encounter very few leavers. A mistake here and there doesn't concern me, that's the nature of pugs. What makes my eye twitch and contemplate to leave a run is when people start cussing and swearing and say stuff like "(Healer) people doing dumb shit"...

[pahbi]

Maybe the group can take a vote and if it passes, the person who left gets a ding on their M+ score that makes it harder to get into groups in the future.

[Lordofbelbol]

Blizzard just added consequences for leaving Solo Shuffle matches.

How is that different from M+?

You leave M+ before the dungeon ended? -100 rating each time you bail.
Repeated offenses? Account suspension.

-100 xD you don't know shit about m+ better not to discuss it

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Literally, nobody is trying in M+ anymore because they don't have to.

I haven't seen anyone leaving a M+ in Dragonflight. If your keys are plagued by this, there is one common denominator.

[zRares]

I haven't seen anyone leaving a M+ in Dragonflight. If your keys are plagued by this, there is one common denominator.

Clearly, you are not playing with randoms or you ar in the top 1% of players.

I was not saying that they need to get -M+ rating because it does not even make sense, the way rating for M+ works.

And nobody needs to carry anyone, but if you decided to join a group and you are ok with the group than you should stick to it. It could be that you can leave after 10 deaths without any penalties, or after a vote to end the dungeon or something.

Some people are super toxic can leave after the tiniest error and they mess up your key even tho it would have been timed.

There should be a system in place to incentivize players to stay and finish the key.

It's funny to me that people that don't have issues with leavers are against it, probably because they are the elitists that leave groups and mess up people's keys )