Bored after 2 months of DF

[FelPlague]

Yeah, you can always argue that not wanting to play games is better for people in general, because they can learn new languages or something. But I don't think that was the point of this thread.

Listen, I don't care if you see the activities I've listed as bad, for any reason at all. I'm not here to force you into loving them - all I'm saying is that SL had a lot of them, and DF has very few. If you don't mind, than I'm happy for you. I mind.

I love your twisting of the facts here
DF not only has those activities, it has more
You are saying dragonflight has less you want to do compared to shadowlands, when really is has less you HAVE to do.
the fact you said anima was better then all the collections in DF speaking people are already maxxing out the collctions, while in shadowlands people didnt start getting that done till the final patch, not cause of the shear number, but because of the OBSCENE amount of anima it cost.

also imagine priasing covenants and the covenant activities... lol

[Rageonit]

also imagine priasing covenants and the covenant activities... lol

Like I've already said, I don't care about your opinions on those activities. I enjoyed them and I don't give a damn if you didn't. There's less of them in DF (almost none, in fact) and there's no denying that. However, there's one thing I care even less about, and that's...

You are saying dragonflight has less you want to do compared to shadowlands, when really is has less you HAVE to do.

...all those dumb-ass semantics of what's mandatory and what's not. I don't HAVE TO do anything, because I'm a self-aware and self-controlled human being. And honestly, it's not my problem if you're not.

[FelPlague]

Like I've already said, I don't care about your opinions on those activities. I enjoyed them and I don't give a damn if you didn't. There's less of them in DF (almost none, in fact) and there's no denying that. However, there's one thing I care even less about, and that's...



...all those dumb-ass semantics of what's mandatory and what's not. I don't HAVE TO do anything, because I'm a self-aware and self-controlled human being. And honestly, it's not my problem if you're not.

1-there is them, the soup minigame, the dragon races, and the hunts.

2- the covenant hall activities were locked to the covenant you were in, so you were stuck with whichever one was your best covenant. Like the activity or not. Oh hey you wanna grow flowers and stuff to relax? Lol fuck that your best covenant is maldraxxis, which didn't even have a "minigame" it was "go grind for days" that's it.

3- it's not dumb ass semantics. If you wanted to do anything in shadowlands you had to go do this and that and the other thing. That is the point, and if you didn't you were shit outta luck. You had to do torghast, there was no "eh whatever" you HAD to do torghast. That ain't fucking semantics.

[Rageonit]

1-there is them, the soup minigame, the dragon races, and the hunts.

Why do you even speak out, if you want to compare the variety and amount of covenant activities to an "event" that involves spamming TAB for 10 minutes to be able to hit anything? What's the damn point? Why be so disingenuous? Did you ever do the actual Covenant activities, max out guest happiness in the Venthyr scenario, do all the Kyrian encounters on the highest difficulty level? And then you come here and talk about the fucking soup event being somehow comparable?

Dude, get a grip. I'm not getting involed in this level of conversation, bye.

[Alroxas]

Why do you even speak out, if you want to compare the variety and amount of covenant activities

Night Fae only had the garden. They had no other covenant activity that was limited to them. Maldraxxas had the Abomination Factory which really just gave more dailies to grind. Kyrian was the arena which wasn't really that great considering you could cheese the fights until they "fixed" the issue. Venthyr had the dinner party.


Comparison to DF -

Tuskarr have the Community Feast
Maruk Centuars have the Hunt + roaming camp (which similar to Maldraxxas is just more dailies)
Dragonscale Expedition has some one offs (i.e. Flag planting on highest peaks) and I guess rock climbing/taking pictures along with dragon riding.
Valdrakken has the Siege of Dragonsbane and Storm Invasions

The cosmetics of DF are nearly entirely gated by renown of the four factions but at least they are more accessible than say SL cosmetics at launch. Eventually SL cosmetics became easier to obtain/use but DF isn't at that point of the expansion yet so its not a fair comparison.

And then you come here and talk about the fucking soup event being somehow comparable?

Tell me again how much brain activity is needed for the Night Fae garden? How brainless was to plant some seeds and comeback in X time (depending on modifiers) to check on it?

[Rageonit]

Tell me again how much brain activity is needed for the Night Fae garden? How brainless was to plant some seeds and comeback in X time (depending on modifiers) to check on it?

Firstly, you are wrong - NF had also dailies with the mushroom guy; secondly, NF garden required actual souls to plant them, which required frequent visits in the Maw.

Secondly, like I've already said, I don't care if it's brainless or not. It's an additional activity some people enjoy, period. A serene, zone-out kind of thing like the MOP farm. You could have alts in all 4 covenants and do all 4 activities, it didn't require any amount of raid gear or whatever. And the amount of detail that went into those activities was enormous, whether you like it or not! I'd wager the Venthyr feasts had more content than all of the so called DF "activities", considering it involved weekly quests you had to do to invite the guests; certain intems you had to get; and the amount of different events, decorations and what not you could unlock and mix/match depending on the guest list.

And here's some guy claiming that DF also has activities, cause "soup event". The most lazy event ever introduced into the game, which, every fucking time, involves beating a dead fish to death (punt intended), twenty times in a row, for 10 fucking minutes. That even is so bad it's not even funny and it doesn't compare, in any damn way, to Covenant activities. Siege is not much better - same thing week in week out, ZERO variety; and I guess the hunt can be somewhat comparable to doing the Necrolord quests - though it mostly involes killing a bunch of mobs. Content galore! My ass.

[Alroxas]

Firstly, you are wrong - NF had also dailies with the mushroom guy; secondly, NF garden required actual souls to plant them, which required frequent visits in the Maw.

Eh... got plenty of souls without having to go to the Maw for the NF garden. Oh yeah the mushroom guy, but isn't that just more dailies and it's dailies to do just to grind his specific rep. If I recall correctly doing mushroom guy's dailies didn't improve Night Fae rep.

It's an additional activity some people enjoy, period.

Which may also hold true for the Soup Event.

You could have alts in all 4 covenants and do all 4 activities, it didn't require any amount of raid gear or whatever.

Hmm wouldn't DF be better in this regard? You don't need 3 alts (+1 main) when your main can lead rep in all 4 factions from the start. And realistically,

And the amount of detail that went into those activities was enormous, <snip>

But was it fun for the majority of the playerbase? Did players actually try out different combinations on their own or did they just pull up that handy WoWhead guide and do XYZ to maximize return?

Content galore! My ass.

More content or even similar content doesn't necessarily translate into "better". For instance, there were plenty of things to do in Legion but many (including myself) didn't find them enjoyable or fun. If anything they were just a means to get a better end result, specifically adding to the Bad Luck Protection on Legion Legendaries prior to the later patches.

DF may seem duller but personally it's more satisfying to have "fewer" chores to do compared to recent past expansions (Legion, BFA, SL)

[Rageonit]

Which may also hold true for the Soup Event.

How you people can defend that abomination to prove your point is beyond me. It is, quite literally, the laziest event ever created for this game, yet you use it as an argument that "DF has content". The only conclusion I can draw from that is that you simply deserve all the shit quality things you get. I understand that you enjoy DF, and it's fine, but shit should be called shit, for the benefit of everyone who's playing this game. Everyone.

[FelPlague]

Why do you even speak out, if you want to compare the variety and amount of covenant activities to an "event" that involves spamming TAB for 10 minutes to be able to hit anything? What's the damn point? Why be so disingenuous? Did you ever do the actual Covenant activities, max out guest happiness in the Venthyr scenario, do all the Kyrian encounters on the highest difficulty level? And then you come here and talk about the fucking soup event being somehow comparable?

Dude, get a grip. I'm not getting involed in this level of conversation, bye.

Yes I did those events. I got every single covenant specific cosmetic and achievement too minus the hopebreaker mount. All on one charecter.
The ember court became a boring ass long chore after the first few. And the fact you needed to do it soooooo many times was exhausting.
The kyrian thing was annoying too, and basically was just finding out what to fight with what.

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How you people can defend that abomination to prove your point is beyond me. It is, quite literally, the laziest event ever created for this game, yet you use it as an argument that "DF has content". The only conclusion I can draw from that is that you simply deserve all the shit quality things you get. I understand that you enjoy DF, and it's fine, but shit should be called shit, for the benefit of everyone who's playing this game. Everyone.

Meanwhile you literally defend the abomination that is the abomination yard.
Which was literally go farm for hours and don't forget to your weeklies and... That's it.

I remember farming anima weapon fragments for 18 hours over 5 weeks while playing D&D to get that weapon set.

Remind me how the soup event was awful?

[Rageonit]

Meanwhile you literally defend the abomination that is the abomination yard.
Which was literally go farm for hours and don't forget to your weeklies and... That's it.
I remember farming anima weapon fragments for 18 hours over 5 weeks while playing D&D to get that weapon set.
Remind me how the soup event was awful?

It only speaks about your inability to control yourself. If you didn't enjoy it, why did you do it? It's quite telling that from all the activities available, you choose to rage about one (and make it your point in this conversation) that involved grinding for a totally optional achievement that doesn't involve any player power what so ever. Take a hard look in the mirror ; YOU are the problem. Every sane player would simply elect to NOT to grind it. FYI, I did it over the course of the expansion by simply doing the weekly.

But yeah, everything about Covenant activities was bad, because there was this single Necrolord cosmetic set that required grinding. Instead, lets ask for more soup events, because that's quality content. Like I've said, all the shit you get, you deserve. If you think soup event is good, I sincerely hope WoW eventually turns into a thousand soup events, so you can enjoy the game.

[Malkiah]

If you think soup event is good, I sincerely hope WoW eventually turns into a thousand soup events, so you can enjoy the game.

the irony of course being that the soup event is "show up, maybe click a few things, but mostly afk for 15 minutes" which is precisely the kind of gameplay that these exact same people screech about being 'facebook bullshit' and why they hated mission tables.

i've been saying this for literally decades: MMO players are like baby chicks.
they scream and scream to get the devs to vomit in their mouths, and then they scream and scream when the devs do.

[Runicblood]

I do play a lot yeah. So? I still wanna enjoy the game.

Blizzard should not just appeal to players who want to be "done" with the game. They should also make the game fun for those who want to have a reason to log in even 3 or 4 months into a patch and still have a realistic chance to get a meaningful upgrade on their main character instead of having to stop playing that character because there's no point anyway, you can't get anything anyway, how lame is that?

I don't want to feel like I've "finished" the game. I want exactly the opposite. Hell, the appeal of WoW to me always has been and the very reason I started is because I wanted an "infinite" game. To me Legion will always be the greatest expansion ever. It was pretty much everything that I wanted out of this game. I guess I can look foward to Legion Classic in like 6 years, huh?

The problem with your logic here is that if they reintroduce endless grinds, people will never actually feel like they are "finished" because then we all need to get that weekly AP or else we fall behind and are missing out aka FOMO. F that bro. let me be happy with where I am. Stop catering the game to the top 1% is a better option

[Malkiah]

The problem with your logic here is that if they reintroduce endless grinds, people will never actually feel like they are "finished" because then we all need to get that weekly AP or else we fall behind and are missing out aka FOMO. F that bro. let me be happy with where I am. Stop catering the game to the top 1% is a better option

the problem with your logic here is that if they strip away all repeatable progression tasks, people will quickly feel like they are "finished" because then there is nothing to do in the game that provides any avenue of character progression. F that bro. let me be happy with where i am, having a multitude of things to do that incrementally improve my character. stop catering the game to the top 1% is a better option, because DF is what happens when you cater to those people - an expansion that offers nothing but raidlogging.

[Rageonit]

I remember farming anima weapon fragments for 18 hours over 5 weeks while playing D&D to get that weapon set.

Oh, and BTW. The irony of the whole thing is that those grinds exist because of YOU. Yeah, you. Nobody likes them and nobody wants to do them, but there is a group of players - with you included - who will do it anyway, even though they hate it. And Blizzard knows it, and introduces those grinds only because YOU exist. The biggest haters of those features are the sole reason those features exist. If you'd simply elect to not to grind it, nobody would, and we wouldn't have them. But no, you can't simply refuse; instead, you require Blizzard to baby sit you by NOT introducing them, so you don't have to do it, because you're unable to control yourself.

[Runicblood]

the problem with your logic here is that if they strip away all repeatable progression tasks, people will quickly feel like they are "finished" because then there is nothing to do in the game that provides any avenue of character progression. F that bro. let me be happy with where i am, having a multitude of things to do that incrementally improve my character. stop catering the game to the top 1% is a better option, because DF is what happens when you cater to those people - an expansion that offers nothing but raidlogging.

But those incremental improvements will make everyone feel obligated to them, this is the issue. They are never "optional" things, they always felt like chores. This is just how the wow community is. If I can min max, you sure as hell can bet that I will. They aren't fun activities. I don't want to play a game to do chores in order to get stronger, I want to play the game doing things I enjoy to get stronger. Once I have done what my skill is capable of, that's it, gg, see you next season. Don't make me do weekly bs to overcome my skill cap.

also "an expansion that offers nothing but raidlogging" - in essence, literally every expansion ever.... Why are we doing those chores? to get better raid logs ofc...

And even those chores were somehow soft capped, iirc all forms of AP had some sort of weekly or seasonal soft cap, after which the upgrades were nearly impossible to obtain. So in reality you were just watching the bar slowly go up but never really reaching a higher ilvl.

What infinite grind did SL offer btw? i honetly don't even remember, all the other systems were too much and just burnt me out, leaving me feeling both unaccomplished and bored. All conduits upgraded? check. Renown? check. hundreds of thousands of gold spent on leggos? check... did i miss the MISSION TABLE UPGRADES?

[Malkiah]

But those incremental improvements will make everyone feel obligated to them, this is the issue.

ok, so let's engage with that concept openly, i have 2 thoughts:
1. no, not "everyone" will feel obligated to them and this needs to be accepted by folks on your side of this discussion. your *compulsion* to do content you don't like so often that it makes you hate the game that you're playing in order to get statistically non-existent gains that you absolutely don't need is a problem with you, not with repeatable content or incremental power gains.
i'm totally willing to accept that this is such a huge psychological problem for you that some reasonable limits are acceptable to help support your mental illness, if you're willing to accept and admit that you have a problem.

2. if you want me to agree with you that your burnout is more important than my boredom, i need you to explain to me the logic behind how that works.

They are never "optional" things, they always felt like chores. This is just how the wow community is. If I can min max, you sure as hell can bet that I will.

but again though, this is how *parts* of the wow community is... and i'll certainly grant you that it's a vocal part, and it's a part that is pushy and aggressive, but i don't automatically buy the narrative that it's the largest part or even a slim majority.
i'm not saying that it's a minority or that most players are chill and just roll with the content because i don't know. but that's the thing: i don't know, and neither do you. neither of us knows what percentage of the wow player base is manically compelled to force themselves to hate the game, and what percentage just plays it as they enjoy it.

They aren't fun activities. I don't want to play a game to do chores in order to get stronger, I want to play the game doing things I enjoy to get stronger. Once I have done what my skill is capable of, that's it, gg, see you next season. Don't make me do weekly bs to overcome my skill cap.

or, you know... just don't do chores in the first place?
you're kind of reinforcing the point rageonit has been making, and one that i agree with, that the problem here is you and not the game.

also "an expansion that offers nothing but raidlogging" - in essence, literally every expansion ever.... Why are we doing those chores? to get better raid logs ofc...

i play wow every day for many hours because i basically retired early, and i haven't raided (as in, joined a guild and done raids with a schedule) since ICC.
so no, it's not exclusively to get better raid logs for every player.
though again... who's the majority? you or me? i don't know.

And even those chores were somehow soft capped, iirc all forms of AP had some sort of weekly or seasonal soft cap, after which the upgrades were nearly impossible to obtain. So in reality you were just watching the bar slowly go up but never really reaching a higher ilvl.

exactly, which once again comes back to... why the hell did you people run maw of souls until you hated your very existence?
why did you do island expeditions over and over again to grind out enough AP to unlock a piece of armor, when i had the same piece of armor and did not grind out islands and got the same ring unlocked maybe 3 days later than you and didn't cause myself a mental breakdown in doing so.

[FelPlague]

Oh, and BTW. The irony of the whole thing is that those grinds exist because of YOU. Yeah, you. Nobody likes them and nobody wants to do them, but there is a group of players - with you included - who will do it anyway, even though they hate it. And Blizzard knows it, and introduces those grinds only because YOU exist. The biggest haters of those features are the sole reason those features exist. If you'd simply elect to not to grind it, nobody would, and we wouldn't have them. But no, you can't simply refuse; instead, you require Blizzard to baby sit you by NOT introducing them, so you don't have to do it, because you're unable to control yourself.

Funny cause your the one praising those grinds while I'm glad that is no longer a thing.
Weird huh?
You praise the grind that was the covenant hall systems, meanwhile I'm glad their gone. Yet now you say those grinds are awful and horrible?
Make up your mind already.

[Soon-TM]

But no, you can't simply refuse; instead, you require Blizzard to baby sit you by NOT introducing them, so you don't have to do it, because you're unable to control yourself.

This seems to be a recurrent theme with Blizzard since at least BfA.

[BeepBoo]

This is truly, deeply, the most boring expansion since WoD. I love wow, I love playing my alts. Dragonflight made it the most boring grind fest we’ve had in years. I don’t mean I’m tired of the game - I mean that this content is boring because it is not dynamic at all, it’s just button smashing and there is no story after you complete the main quest, no fun things to work toward. I did the renown already and it was so unexciting from content to rewards.

What was 'dynamic and fun" in the past for you? The game has always been boring on the fronts you're talking about to me. It's never been about the story, and literally anything overworld has always been spamclick through just to get it over with asap.

Aside from gearing up and smashing buttons at mobs and bosses, there is nearly nothing to do, even if it is a beautiful continent and fun to explore.

The reason I play wow is specifically because I find button mashing combat gameplay fun.

just content for people who wanted it.

Nah. Most of the things you're talking about were definitely required if you wanted to be as competitive as possible. That's what people like me mean when we say "required." We mean it's fucking required if you want your character to be as close to their potential as possible so you have the best performance as a person as possible.

I’m just hoping some devs see and hear players like me who are bummed out and miss playing our alts and having anything to do on them.

Until blizzard finds some way to separate our two desired gameplays properly (i.e. using templates within raids and M+ so I don't have to worry about your overworld systems that reward power and give you "things to do") I really hope they don't see and hear people like you. They did that for 3 expansions and it sucked for people like me.

[Glorious Leader]

Until blizzard finds some way to separate our two desired gameplays properly (i.e. using templates within raids and M+ so I don't have to worry about your overworld systems that reward power and give you "things to do") I really hope they don't see and hear people like you. They did that for 3 expansions and it sucked for people like me.

I agree with this. Raiders should be an isolated community as much as possible, like lepers.