Bored after 2 months of DF

[Gaidax]

There is TONS of goals, but unlike shadowlands you are not REQUIRED to do them.
Soup event
Siege event
Hunts
rares actually worth something
Primal storms
Storms fury
The races
the advanced races
the reverse races
the pvp races
actual world pvp rewards and the return of the air crates.
Professions
tresure hunting
and those are just ones that were not in shadowlands, it also includes the typical raid, M+, pvp, world quests, dailies, etc.

in shadowlands you had your ONE covenant event whcih was usually once a week and was forced on you based on what covenant you were in. then there was torghast which you HAD to do, there was the maw which you HAD to do, there was korthia which you HAD to do, there was anima farming which you HAD to do. There was soul farming which you HAD to do.

dragonflight has TONS of things to do and to unlock, but requires far less time to do so, and far less of these activities are things you are required to do, and instead things you can CHOOSE to do. You don't HAVE to do the siege every week like you had to do torghast, you don't HAVE to do the soup event every week like you did the soul gathering, you don't HAVE to do dailies like you did in the maw and in korthia.
These thigns are all still there in one way or another, but they are OPTIONAL.

I think you're really REALLY trying hard to stretch the very limited world content DF has. You even list same shit 5 times to make it look big omegalul.



Of the modern expansions starting Legion, DF is the most barren on activities of all.

Like really - you're trying to compare soup and "siege" (lol) to something like Class Halls, Warfronts or Torghast? Or this pitiful selection of renown quests to practically every high level campaign we had 3 last expansions?

This expansion is practically empty - they made a kickass world, but then they populated it with bare minimum events that became obsolete in the first month after launch.

DF does quite a few important things right - the UI, talent and profession changes are all good and important, new class is good and long overdue, flying 2.0 is great and hopefully here to stay.

But expansion-specific world activities? Bruh... They gave you a bare frikkin' minimum they could. It's not nothing, but it's a step down from what we are used to get.

[FelPlague]

I think you're really REALLY trying hard to stretch the very limited world content DF has. You even list same shit 5 times to make it look big omegalul.



Of the modern expansions starting Legion, DF is the most barren on activities of all.

Like really - you're trying to compare soup and "siege" (lol) to something like Class Halls, Warfronts or Torghast? Or this pitiful selection of renown quests to practically every high level campaign we had 3 last expansions?

This expansion is practically empty - they made a kickass world, but then they populated it with bare minimum events that became obsolete in the first month after launch.

DF does quite a few important things right - the UI, talent and profession changes are all good and important, new class is good and long overdue, flying 2.0 is great and hopefully here to stay.

But expansion-specific world activities? Bruh... They gave you a bare frikkin' minimum they could. It's not nothing, but it's a step down from what we are used to get.

"Same shit 5 times"
Show me the same thing I listed 5 times.
Also you say that but literally every time I show up to a hunt people are there, every siege I go to I find A WHOLE RAID of people, every soup event I show to you find TONS of people. I see people doing races all the time. and world pvp quests and crates I always find atleast 10 people.

[Rageonit]

Also you say that but literally every time I show up to a hunt people are there, every siege I go to I find A WHOLE RAID of people, every soup event I show to you find TONS of people.

Well what do you expect, there's nothing else to do so everyone's doing soup and siege.

[Gaidax]

"Same shit 5 times"
Show me the same thing I listed 5 times.
Also you say that but literally every time I show up to a hunt people are there, every siege I go to I find A WHOLE RAID of people, every soup event I show to you find TONS of people. I see people doing races all the time. and world pvp quests and crates I always find atleast 10 people.

Races...

It's like bruh - like as if I'd listed torghast 8 times, because it had 8 wings on launch. It's same fucking shit - owaw a course is different and skill level too must be completely different thing!

Might as well list M+ 320 times, because you know it's 8 dungeons, then it can be Tyr or Fort and then 20 key levels...


Yeahhh... no it's one thing M+, one thing Torghast and one thing Races. This desperate padding only turns you into a meme.

[Gratlim]

DF is pretty good imo. My only complaint is that it focuses its endgame on a feature i hate (m+) even more than before. I would like it to have more focus on non arena pvp and world content.

The real winner of the expansion is the talent trees.

[FelPlague]

Races...

It's like bruh - like as if I'd listed torghast 8 times, because it had 8 wings on launch. It's same fucking shit - owaw a course is different and skill level too must be completely different thing!

Might as well list M+ 320 times, because you know it's 8 dungeons, then it can be Tyr or Fort and then 20 key levels...


Yeahhh... no it's one thing M+, one thing Torghast and one thing Races. This desperate padding only turns you into a meme.

"The races
the advanced races
the reverse races
the pvp races"
I see 4, where is the 5th?
Nevermind the fact they are different activities, in what they reward, and what they require.
But fine, let's consider them one then if you really so pissy about it, still confused how you had issue counting to 4.

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DF is pretty good imo. My only complaint is that it focuses its endgame on a feature i hate (m+) even more than before. I would like it to have more focus on non arena pvp and world content.

The real winner of the expansion is the talent trees.

M+ got nerfed this expac though, you need to do 20's to cap not 15's any longer.
shadowlands it was FAR superior then in dragonflight for it's focus.
also dragonflight is one of if not the best expansion for world content what?

[Rageonit]

also dragonflight is one of if not the best expansion for world content what?

Yeah, it has races, and the other races, and the other races, and on top of that, the other races. That's already four different amazing things.
Oh, and of course the adorable soup event

[Gaidax]

still confused how you had issue counting to 4.

First of all, I am not "pissy" - instead of arguing take it as constructive feedback if you want to be taken seriously. People here are not 10 years old, they see through bullshit immediately and bloating is an instant giveaway.

Races is indeed - one kind of activity and very niche and small at that really. I'd imagine compared to soup and "siege" they are a bit more involved but just barely. So no need to pretend they are bigger than what they are.

[FelPlague]

Yeah, it has races, and the other races, and the other races, and on top of that, the other races. That's already four different amazing things.
Oh, and of course the adorable soup event

and hunts
and air drops
and event rares
and primal storms
and storms fury
and the siege
and treasure hunting

mate you got you who can't get a single thing right and gaidax who confuses 4 with 5. not doing yourselves very well here.
seriously trying to argue shadowlands had more enjoyable world content then dragonflight.
I did not think we would already hit the honeymoon phase where people go "shadoelands was actually pretty great" so quick, but guess people are more and more beligerant these days.

[Rageonit]

and hunts
and air drops
and event rares
and primal storms
and storms fury
and the siege
and treasure hunting

mate you got you who can't get a single thing right and gaidax who confuses 4 with 5. not doing yourselves very well here.

Why are you advertising primal storms? I thought you hate grinds.
Air drops as content - LOL.
"Siege" as content - LOL. There was once an expansion called "Wrath of the Lich King" where you could do actual sieges. Dunno if you've played it, but if you didn't, there's Wrath Classic. Take a moment to compare where we were in 2008 and where we are today with DF "siege" event. Like I've said, all the shit you get, you deserve, for defending this kind of content. Unimaginative, repetitive, with zero variety, lore or detail.
Treasure hunting and rares - yeah, staple of every expansion since forever now, but if that's enough to make you satisfied... All the shit you get, you deserve.

[FelPlague]

Why are you advertising primal storms? I thought you hate grinds.
Air drops as content - LOL.
"Siege" as content - LOL. There was once an expansion called "Wrath of the Lich King" where you could do actual sieges. Dunno if you've played it, but if you didn't, there's Wrath Classic. Take a moment to compare where we were in 2008 and where we are today with DF "siege" event. Like I've said, all the shit you get, you deserve, for defending this kind of content. Unimaginative, repetitive, with zero variety, lore or detail.
Treasure hunting and rares - yeah, staple of every expansion since forever now, but if that's enough to make you satisfied... All the shit you get, you deserve.

yes air drop is content, what are you on about? Having zone wipe drops that spawn every so often in world pvp causing faction fights over a box.
Aww yeah the wotlk sieges so good they were either removed entirely, or veto'd by the entire playbase as horrible imbalanced trash.
What past expansion could you just fly around and collect treasures all day for as long or little as you wanted?
What past expansion had rares that spawned with entire zone alerts that dropped actual good gear?
No past expansion has had rares like the ones we have in dragonflight, do you have such a short attention span to forget the obscene amount of people farming the "super rares" for the first 2 weeks to get BIS?

and yeah if by "shit" you mean the world actually being populated with content that encourages you to just go out in the world, have fun, explore, and enjoy the world for the world it is, then I am glad to have that, cause no prior expansion has done that. Once you did all the quests, there was nothing to do anymore other then run around gathering for gold, and maybe encounter a rare here and there that drops a cosmetic. there was a couple in vanilla that were good, but only cause vanill was back in the day of "trinket just stuns the target" was a thing, back when a level 12 trinket could be BIS in pvp.

[Rageonit]

yes air drop is content, what are you on about? Having zone wipe drops that spawn every so often in world pvp causing faction fights over a box.Aww yeah the wotlk sieges so good they were either removed entirely, or veto'd by the entire playbase as horrible imbalanced trash.
What past expansion could you just fly around and collect treasures all day for as long or little as you wanted?
What past expansion had rares that spawned with entire zone alerts that dropped actual good gear?
No past expansion has had rares like the ones we have in dragonflight, do you have such a short attention span to forget the obscene amount of people farming the "super rares" for the first 2 weeks to get BIS?

So lets summarize:
You think great content is a box that spawns randomly so people can fight for it.
You think going from WotLK siege to DF siege after 15 years of development is the right direction, because DF siege is great content.
You think flying over the map to pick up an item that gives you 10 rep with a facton (that you've probably maxed out by now) is great content.
You think that killing a 2 mil HP target dummy for a chance of an item (which is absolutely redundant by now if you raid or do m+, by the way) is great content.
You think an "event" that involves grinding groups of mobs for hours is great content (even tho you dislike grinds).

Is that all correct?

[Gaidax]

Like I've said, all the shit you get, you deserve, for defending this kind of content. Unimaginative, repetitive, with zero variety, lore or detail.
Treasure hunting and rares - yeah, staple of every expansion since forever now, but if that's enough to make you satisfied... All the shit you get, you deserve.

I, personally, absolutely agree with this quote.

The real issue here is that you have some people like FelPlague that simply shoot themselves and us in our collective feet. Because if apparently soup and "siege" is all the world content such players need, Ion and co might just figure "whelp, might as well just give them a bunch of that and move on".

People are just enabling Blizzard to keep delivering subpar activities that went stale a decade ago already. Game brings in a billion dollars annually and all they can manage is soup, siege and races as world content. It's pathetic.

[FelPlague]

So lets summarize:
You think great content is a box that spawns randomly so people can fight for it.
You think going from WotLK siege to DF siege after 15 years of development is the right direction, because DF siege is great content.
You think flying over the map to pick up an item that gives you 10 rep with a facton (that you've probably maxed out by now) is great content.
You think that killing a 2 mil HP target dummy for a chance of an item (which is absolutely redundant by now if you raid or do m+, by the way) is great content.
You think an "event" that involves grinding groups of mobs for hours is great content (even tho you dislike grinds).

Is that all correct?

1- Yes it is super fun to have these back and forth battles between horde and alliance to see who can get the box, it feels like a mini version of the battle of southshore of the old days.

2- yes, because the wotlk sieges were awful, there is a reason one of them was literally removed from the game, and no one fucking misses it.

2.5- nevermind the fact "sieges" are not all the same thing, unless you think the siege of nizauo temple, siege of orgrimmar, siege of undercity, and siege of the strand of the ancients are all similar, even though one is a raid, one is a dungeon, one is a scenario, and one is a battleground.

3- I think being able to fly around, pick up 25 rep, and random greys, and cosmetics, and profession kknowledge, and potions, and profession reagents, is nice, just being able to fly around collecting treasures all day every day like you would gathering, but you don't HAVE to be a gatherer, is great, it is not jaw dropping amazing gameplay, but being able to mellow out, fly around collecting treasures, gathering ores, empowerng them and exploring for special rares that drop actual good rewards, is a good overall experience, especially if paired with just chatting with friends, or watching a movie, something that in the past you would do while afk running circles in the major city, now you can instead actually progress.

4-I think showing up to a rare to meet 10-30 other people and all kill a massive 4.5 mil hp mob together to get some rep, gear, items, cosmetics, profession knowledge, is fun, to kill something collectivly with a ton of people.

5- Yes, it is fun as fuck to get a group, gather up 20 mobs and burst the fuck outta them. We are playing an MMORPG, grinds are part of the game, and grinds can be awful, but they arn't always. primal storms are a fun grind because you can just mass murder stuff, so is the colbalt assembly because of how insanely powerful you can get with the powers, it is super fun to be 30 feet tall, when you jump stuff gets thrown into the sky, you teleport randomly, you drop a nuke when you open your map, and sheep fall from the sky like an explosive rain, all while getting items and rep.

But the covenant hall grinds were not fun.
farming mobs in the maw for weeks to try and get soulss, standing on an empty platform dealing with chordies fucking madness for almost 24 hours and doing the same weeklies every single week, doing the same quest over and over and over, grinding soul gems constantly for the ember court. and the absolute grind that was the currencies for the path of ascension, were not fun, even if the actual events themselves were "fun" (Necrolord one, although I loved, it had nothing to it, other then you got a bodyguard for the 4 main zones, and became useless with launch of korthia.)

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I, personally, absolutely agree with this quote.

The real issue here is that you have some people like FelPlague that simply shoot themselves and us in our collective feet. Because if apparently soup and "siege" is all the world content such players need, Ion and co might just figure "whelp, might as well just give them a bunch of that and move on".

People are just enabling Blizzard to keep delivering subpar activities that went stale a decade ago already. Game brings in a billion dollars annually and all they can manage is soup, siege and races as world content. It's pathetic.

Ok so first
Billion dollars? idk if wow is bringing in more then half blizzard's total profits.
and second
ok what world content do you think prior expansions did better?

[Gaidax]

Ok so first
Billion dollars? idk if wow is bringing in more then half blizzard's total profits.
and second
ok what world content do you think prior expansions did better?

Guess what, it does and EVEN if it falls short by couple hundred mils - it's still fucking TON of money.

For that money, they can do better than soup and "siege".

And here's the kicker - I don't even need to compare to previous expansions to tell you that fucking soup and "siege" as world content is PATHETIC. How 'bout that, huh?

Asking them to put actual effort into world events given the pittance they offered in DF is fair, ESPECIALLY given they fucking swim in money.

[Rageonit]

People are just enabling Blizzard to keep delivering subpar activities that went stale a decade ago already. Game brings in a billion dollars annually and all they can manage is soup, siege and races as world content. It's pathetic.

I don't think it's that simple, really. They are just so inconsistent; they deliver something good one expansion, that maybe needs a bit of polishing (like Thorgast, you could do so much more with it if you kept it and iterated on it); and next expansion they scrap it and either come up with something worse or nothing at all. I'm sure they WILL deliver a next "new thing" sooner or later, or at least I hope so; but will it be a hit or a miss? Who knows. In DF, I'm pretty sure they didn't deliver anything big, because they had to meet the deadline. And while dragonriding is great (well, I enjoy it as a means of travel), it's not "content" per se. Dragonriding races are, but it's a stale kind of content, that doesn't work well in an MMO, simply because you're able to "max it out" really fast, and what's left then...?

Clearly, the soup event and siege were a "last minute" kind of additions, to give players ANYTHING at all. Almost no work was required for it; we all know how exciting the soup is, and siege is just a frog you follow for a couple of minutes and a bunch of mobs that fall over faster than you can TAB target. It's so bare bones it's not even funny, but it's better than nothing, I guess...? But no matter how you look at it, this expansion's "world content" is the least imaginative, varied or detailed yet. Here's hoping that they're just focusing on future features to be able to deliver patches more frequently than in SL, but as it is, there's almost no world content that deserves praise, and it has to change soon.

EDIT: On the other hand, if you have enough people with such low standards as FelPlague, I guess you can get away with giving players shit on a stick, so who knows, maybe we won't get anything good anymore.

[FelPlague]

Guess what, it does and EVEN if it falls short by couple hundred mils - it's still fucking TON of money.

For that money, they can do better than soup and "siege".

And here's the kicker - I don't even need to compare to previous expansions to tell you that fucking soup and "siege" as world content is PATHETIC. How 'bout that, huh?

Asking them to put actual effort into world events given the pittance they offered in DF is fair, ESPECIALLY given they fucking swim in money.

Ok so again, what would that actual effort be?
You keep saying it is not good, but then refuse to give examples what are good.

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I don't think it's that simple, really. They are just so inconsistent; they deliver something good one expansion, that maybe needs a bit of polishing (like Thorgast, you could do so much more with it if you kept it and iterated on it); and next expansion they scrap it and either come up with something worse or nothing at all. .

Hey mate you would love this thing called the cobalt assembly. also torghast just would never be good, after it got the name choregast, no matter what they do it would never be able to shake that name or feeling, even with the jailers gauntlet and the amount of amazing changes torghast got, it's name was already tainted, so better they drop it, warfronts were the same. More exciting ones, and PVP modes were planned, but the community already hated them, so investing more into them would have been a disaster.

A good example is renown, the new renown in dragonflight is amazing, it is such a good rework of reptuation and has NONE of the issues shadowlands renown has, but blizz shot themselves in the foot SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD by calling it renown, even though it is almost ENTIRELY different in every single way.
no matter how good you make something, a bad first impression will kill it, look at no mans sky which became an AMAZING game, but most people still know it well as an absolute failure shitty game not even worth thinking about, and only internet historians coverage of the video was able to even somewhat change public perception of a game that really had become GREAT.

[Gaidax]

Ok so again, what would that actual effort be?
You keep saying it is not good, but then refuse to give examples what are good.

To quote Ion - players are really good at spotting issues, less so at offering solutions.

So guess what - offering solution to a very clear issue is Blizzard's job, not mine. I can only point out that these so-called world events are fucking dogshit and completely subpar in 2k23. They were fucking subpar already in 2010 and we're decade over it.

Shape up, Blizzard.

[Rageonit]

Hey mate you would love this thing called the cobalt assembly

Ah, thanks for reminding me. Another feature that was taken out of previous expansion, made ten times worse, and introduced into the game with the hopes that players will "buy it" as great content. By the way, am I wrong or did you complain earlier about grinds...? LOL.

[FelPlague]

Ah, thanks for reminding me. Another feature that was taken out of previous expansion, made ten times worse, and introduced into the game with the hopes that players will "buy it" as great content. By the way, am I wrong or did you complain earlier about grinds...? LOL.

maybe you should actually try next time mate, goodluck.

5- Yes, it is fun as fuck to get a group, gather up 20 mobs and burst the fuck outta them. We are playing an MMORPG, grinds are part of the game, and grinds can be awful, but they arn't always. primal storms are a fun grind because you can just mass murder stuff, so is the colbalt assembly because of how insanely powerful you can get with the powers, it is super fun to be 30 feet tall, when you jump stuff gets thrown into the sky, you teleport randomly, you drop a nuke when you open your map, and sheep fall from the sky like an explosive rain, all while getting items and rep.

But the covenant hall grinds were not fun.
farming mobs in the maw for weeks to try and get soulss, standing on an empty platform dealing with chordies fucking madness for almost 24 hours and doing the same weeklies every single week, doing the same quest over and over and over, grinding soul gems constantly for the ember court. and the absolute grind that was the currencies for the path of ascension, were not fun, even if the actual events themselves were "fun" (Necrolord one, although I loved, it had nothing to it, other then you got a bodyguard for the 4 main zones, and became useless with launch of korthia.)