Embelishments, Primordial Gems, and other new Borrowed Power systems

[Tentim]

The popularity of legion would suggest otherwise. That is exactly what they want. Butt hurt raid logging cry babies are a different story.

Should be looking at the popularity of bfa and sl.

[Glorious Leader]

Should be looking at the popularity of bfa and sl.

All immensely more popular than DF which has sold.poorly and received negative reaction despite the developers cherry picking. DF which has no such systems i might add.

Now those expansions were not perfect by any means but their flaws were mostly in how poorly those alternate advancement systems were executed compared to legion
The necklace and covenants felt cheap compared to the Artifact weapons.

[BeepBoo]

Should be looking at the popularity of bfa and sl.

More like should be looking at pop numbers before they hemorrhaged them with mid-cata announcement of panda land followed by the biggest raid content drought Xpac that has ever existed. The only people LEFT when legion released were the non-raid loggers because in order to raidlog you have to actually have a raid.

[FelPlague]

I wish wow players could not be so hung up on words rather then their meaning...

People dont want a heart of azeroth they unlock and level via world rares.

I love how you say "i wish people didnt do something" then do exactly that.

[HectorKelly]

What the hell are you even talking about? You jump between different ideas with very little rhyme or reason. TBC crafted sets were completely seperated from Tier sets and strictly inferior gear for the most part, and only really useful in the tier they were introduced in. They did not work as gap fillers. They at most worked as starter gear. There weren't even all that many of them.
Current crafted gear is, even without embellishments, largely equivalent to Raid and M+ gear. There's also crafted set pieces if you really want those. It is also upgradeable to keep pace with later tiers.

You can also literally wear almost entirely crafted gear - the 2 piece limit is exclusively for embellished items, not every crafted piece. It doesn't even include trinkets. Play an alchemist and you can completely equip yourself with full mythic equivalent crafted gear.

The problem isn't that people are giving you fallacious arguments - the problem is that your explanation makes no sense and is all over the place. You say you write in no uncertain terms only to write in unclear and confusing language.

Same thinking

[Gaidax]

I really think this "borrowed power" meme has ran its course.

Trinkets, tiers and special effect items that we had all the way since Vanilla are OK, but embellishments are "OMG bruh borrowed powerrrr reeee"?

Some people really need to just sit down and shut the fuck up already.

[Tentim]

I really think this "borrowed power" meme has ran its course.

Trinkets, tiers and special effect items that we had all the way since Vanilla are OK, but embellishments are "OMG bruh borrowed powerrrr reeee"?

Some people really need to just sit down and shut the fuck up already.

Or... and hear me out here... they could just stop making shit tier grindy systems.

Revolutionary thinking I know but the player base won't be frustrated they have to afk world rares rather then pvp, dungeon run, or raid if such moronic systems are either never released or self contained to choreghast 2 electric boogaloo.

[huth]

Or... and hear me out here... they could just stop making shit tier grindy systems.

Revolutionary thinking I know but the player base won't be frustrated they have to afk world rares rather then pvp, dungeon run, or raid if such moronic systems are either never released or self contained to choreghast 2 electric boogaloo.

Well, congratulations, they don't. These rings are end of tier fun playthings, not one-of-a-kind irreplacable mandatory power boosters.

Blizzard isn't planning for them to be remotely competitive with season 2 gear.

[tomten]

All immensely more popular than DF which has sold.poorly and received negative reaction despite the developers cherry picking. DF which has no such systems i might add.

DF sold poorly because those previous expansions were utter shit and drove people away in masses
The best system they ever made was dinars. They should bring that back and call it a day.

[Gaidax]

Or... and hear me out here... they could just stop making shit tier grindy systems.

Guess what? They did and then players practically forced them to bring it back.

See how that works, huh?

[Tentim]

Guess what? They did and then players practically forced them to bring it back.

See how that works, huh?

Not really no. I've not seen anyone baring a total of six people on this forums and the official ones asking for this and hundreds of posts being happy these time wasting systems were gone.

There are hundreds of people post " ffs" about it though. I don't think there exists a place on the internet with more positive responses to this then negative.

[Schizoide]

Well, congratulations, they don't. These rings are end of tier fun playthings, not one-of-a-kind irreplacable mandatory power boosters.

Blizzard isn't planning for them to be remotely competitive with season 2 gear.

Yeah, and given that the ring is pretty dang powerful for S1 gear, I expect to see a lot of itemlvl inflation in S2. Or another similar ring that shares unique-equipped with this one, I guess.

[huth]

Yeah, and given that the ring is pretty dang powerful for S1 gear, I expect to see a lot of itemlvl inflation in S2. Or another similar ring that shares unique-equipped with this one, I guess.

Or they'll just nerf it.

[Schizoide]

Or actually, probably just set the stones to not function in the new underground 10.1 zone.

Bleh.

[Koollan]

Or... and hear me out here... they could just stop making shit tier grindy systems.

Revolutionary thinking I know but the player base won't be frustrated they have to afk world rares rather then pvp, dungeon run, or raid if such moronic systems are either never released or self contained to choreghast 2 electric boogaloo.

Genuinely don't know if you're joking or not. Could you clarify what you mean by what you say about grindy systems for DF?

[Schizoide]

The invasions are extremely grindy. Luckily they're largely optional even for casuals so it isn't a big deal, but they offer a poorly designed player-unfriendly progression path, not to mention one I personally really dislike. That's really about it for DF, though, which is a huuuge improvement.

The renown tracks and crafting knowledge both take a long time to finish but they're time-gated (unless you're a psycho flying around getting 1000s of chests out in the world) so not really grindy. Also they offer strictly limited player power.

I expect the 10.0.7 stones will be time-gated too, you can only get keys for a certain number of vaults per week, etc. That's a good thing, although it'll suck if your BiS stone doesn't drop as the creation mechanism looks so convoluted and annoying that I'll personally probably just ignore it.

[Tentim]

Genuinely don't know if you're joking or not. Could you clarify what you mean by what you say about grindy systems for DF?

Its rewards obtained from trivial grindy content like conduits from world quests or torghast in sl that affect players in higher difficulties to get them to run content they have no business doing.

If blizzard made these gems obtainable from dungeons, raids and pvp like ilv crafting mats it would still be annoying but fine.

Instead they stuck them on world rares and a torghast clone.

[Gaidax]

Not really no. I've not seen anyone baring a total of six people on this forums and the official ones asking for this and hundreds of posts being happy these time wasting systems were gone.

There are hundreds of people post " ffs" about it though. I don't think there exists a place on the internet with more positive responses to this then negative.

The fuck you're smoking? They practically removed sets for 1 and a half expansions and brought them back because people told them to stop fixing shit that worked for 20 years.

So yeah, guess what - sets are fine, trinkets are fine, weapons with special perks are fine. And they all are your "omuhgat borrowed powerrrrr".

[huth]

Its rewards obtained from trivial grindy content like conduits from world quests or torghast in sl that affect players in higher difficulties to get them to run content they have no business doing.

You mean "don't want to". If they didn't have business doing it, they wouldn't bother.

[Tentim]

The fuck you're smoking? They practically removed sets for 1 and a half expansions and brought them back because people told them to stop fixing shit that worked for 20 years.

So yeah, guess what - sets are fine, trinkets are fine, weapons with special perks are fine. And they all are your "omuhgat borrowed powerrrrr".

Why do you leave out the grinding world rares and trivial content that people are actually talking about to try and tie in tier sets...?

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You mean "don't want to". If they didn't have business doing it, they wouldn't bother.

I mean why is a bis dropping from content roughly akin to lfr and why is it time and rng locked...?

People want to compete at the higher levels of the game be it mythic raids, dungeons, and pvp.

Showing a bis item in there is akin to requiring 6/8 mythic bosses, timed 15s or 2100 rating to unlock lfr.

It doesn't make any sense... just put the gems on all content like crafting regents if you want a freebie bis. Don't force people to grind content they would never touch otherwise.