Incoming Class Tuning, Retribution Paladin Changes, Patch 10.0.5 Hotfixes

[Anzen]

Common, just remove other two specs, stop lying to playerbase
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Each time i read patch notes in hope to see something other than restoration Shamans ..../s

Probably because there are 11 Resto Druids and 9 Preservation Evokers for every 1 Resto Shaman that has completed a M+25.

Compared to Enhance shaman, which is the fourth most represented DPS spec overall (pretty impressive considering how many DPS specs there are) and features in the only 27's that have been completed so far. Probably not reasonable to imply they're so bad they should be deleted...

These healing nerfs/buffs have been a long time coming. As a resto shaman, for over a month I've been having to deal with half the high level M+ keys having "EVOKER OR RESTO DUDU" in the title. Maybe I'll get the occasional response from the leader of a group I apply for with "resto sham lulz".

EDIT: though I appreciate not everyone is coming from the angle of Mythic+ (though if it's any consolation, RSham is equally awful in high rated raids in PvP).

This is proves how you don’t know anything about current healing status. Priests and Shamans waited that buff for far too long. Evoker and RDruid deserve their nerfs.

I don't think anyone took that post seriously.

[Ange]

This exactly blood DK hovers between 30-40k dps in mythic groups which is quite low for some.

That the highest mitigation tank, with most interrupts does also the highest tank DPS is the problem.

While its great that Blood got at least a tiny buff, the solution for BASICLY EVERY OTHER TANK SPEC would have been a balance (=NERF) for prot warriors in any form.

Nobody wants to kill prot warriors in every area, but the trifecta is just stupid and makes every other tank class worse by a huge margin. There is no NICHE when the other class is better in everything.

Mythic+ in PUGs get very stupid with long lasting balance issues like this. You have by now lots of 2800-2900 ranked prot-warriors that have basicly no understanding of any dungeon boss or pull, they are simply online and get invited to groups that overgear a specific key so far, that tanking fails are not a critical factor anymore, because trash dies in a burst and most boss mechanics are not killing tanks.

You figure out how good/bad a tank is, if this doesnt work anymore and you see high rated tanks killing the whole group or manage to actually die to boss mechanics in tyrannical weeks, that even DPS can survive. Thats where the game is right now.

While its annoying for world first groups to be forced to prot-warriors, its not like the generic casual PUG player wont get hit with this balancing issue.

In my PUG experience you can generously substract 400-500 rating from any prot-warrior player, especially if they only got a few dungeon runs by comparison to other tanks and you get what their real experience with routes and dungeon mechanics are.

Leaving mythic+ in this state makes it not really fun for anyone, it doesnt even matter if you just casually PUG or push high keys with pre-made groups.

[h8ryan]

I hope, they one day "tune" assa rogue - not dps but hilarious pointless skill overbloated.

>tfw having 6 buttons is too much

garrote, rupture, envenom, hit slice and dice one time over the course of a run

vendetta, fast bleed button, bone spike for fun

[SoundOfGuns]

This is proves how you don’t know anything about current healing status. Priests and Shamans waited that buff for far too long. Evoker and RDruid deserve their nerfs.

And who told you that? Your favorite YouTuber who also coincidentally plays Holy Priest? Or one of those guides that don't clarify if their tier list is M+ or Raiding? Nah, don't bother to answer im likely a better healer than you anyway. Not because i think that of course, but because you are such an ass that im sure your blood pressure went up the moment you red that sentence.

Talk shit to someone else. And no they don't need it. Granted, maybe Foolicious down there isn't wrong but Evoker is so gimmick driven; If it outheals you without the raidgroup positioning themselves to accomondate them you probably aren't the authority on healing for real. And by the way; I main neither class.

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The main problem with healer from the start of dragonflight was potential output. So yes its absolutely fine they get buffed and nerfed across the board in a balance hotfix.
They don't even fully revert the buffs druid got when it was already highest performing healer, so no need to cry about them.
There is still balancing to do in a patch especially for shaman, but having a screwed perception of reality doesn't help

Fair point. In regards to not undoing the already existing buffs for Druid at least. But you are completely right for Shamans either way. I still don't think healer balancing or any balancing for that matter should be done with the sledgehammer approach.

[Danuel]

vendetta

Yeah sure mate. I see you are real pro rogue player.

[Anzen]

And who told you that? Your favorite YouTuber who also coincidentally plays Holy Priest? Or one of those guides that don't clarify if their tier list is M+ or Raiding? Nah, don't bother to answer im likely a better healer than you anyway. Not because i think that of course, but because you are such an ass that im sure your blood pressure went up the moment you red that sentence.

Talk shit to someone else. And no they don't need it. Granted, maybe Foolicious down there isn't wrong but Evoker is so gimmick driven; If it outheals you without the raidgroup positioning themselves to accomondate them you probably aren't the authority on healing for real. And by the way; I main neither class.

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Fair point. In regards to not undoing the already existing buffs for Druid at least. But you are completely right for Shamans either way. I still don't think healer balancing or any balancing for that matter should be done with the sledgehammer approach.

I'll have some of what you're on.

Dungeons: RDruid and PEvoker make up 81.8% of all healers that have completed a Mythic 25 and above.
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankin...MythicLevel=99

Raids: RDruid and PEvoker are easily the top performing healers in Mythic Raids. The average evoker is doing 20% more healing than than the average priest, shaman or paladin.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/st...gregate=amount

PvP: Harder to gauge, but if we use Solo Shuffle as an example, there are 18 RDruids above 3k rating and there are 19 PEvokers. To compare that to other classes, you have 1 Monk, 7 Paladins, 30 Disc Priests, 1 Holy Priest and 2 Resto Shamans. If we look at RBG's above 2.4k, PEvoker is the most represented healer. If we look at 3v3 above 2.4k, RDruid/DPriest is the most represented healer.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ga...r/preservation

As Ethas said, it was obvious to everyone (except you?) that RDruids & PEvokers are overperforming and that nerfs would be round the corner. As I said above, for the past month I've been dealing with many groups around M20+ exclusively advertising 'Evoker or Resto Druid ONLY'.

I'm not a fan of the character assassination attempt made by you, with the lazy overused comment about YouTubers or whatever, but the suggestion you're the better healer did make me chuckle, because it's evidently not the case.

If you feel PEvoker is too hard, stick to Demon Hunter or something more your speed.