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    Quote Originally Posted by Triceron View Post
    Glad we came to an understanding.
    So mind informing me how there is orcs who went through the dark portal that didn't turn green?
    And how there are orcs like thrall we never drank the demon blood who turned green?
    Do you mind informing someone new to this lore how those happened, if those are the only two ways an orc turns green?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    So mind informing me how there is orcs who went through the dark portal that didn't turn green?
    And how there are orcs like thrall we never drank the demon blood who turned green?
    The same way you believe Orc blood is Green even though the game has only ever shown it to be red or black. In fact, the black color of blood was mentioned as far back as Warcraft 3. We even see this in the original Warcraft 3 cinematic with the Orc and Human fighting the Infernal. And as how it's represented in the game, outside of Gul'dan, I don't think we ever see Orc blood being spilled green. It's almost always been red or black.

    Your belief that Orc blood is green because of one instance where the lore said it was green, is purely your choice in believing this to be consistently true of all Orcs. It is your choice to believe this over all other instances of lore and gameplay that shows or says otherwise. So really, it comes down to your personal interpretation of a literal multiple-choice-option of what color Orc blood actually should be.

    The answer is the entire lore is inconsistent. It's often inconsistent to itself, and it's inconsistent to how WoW is actually represented. The lore itself has changed so much that there are multiple answers to how and why shit happens, and none of it is internally consistent to the point where you can really hold it against actual gameplay.

    The lore reason Mag'har kept their brown skin was because they were intentionally isolated. Now that we are interacting with them outside of isolation, they *should* be affected by Fel that exists in their surrounding environments or when directly affected by Fel magic, but this is never reflected in game. By all means, a Mag'har player or NPC that hangs around Warlocks would be exposed to all that fel magic, and should be turning Green. That would never actually happen in game. The lore doesn't actually affect gameplay, the gameplay doesn't actually reflect the lore.

    Why is it that there are Brown Orcs that crossed the portal who don't turn green? Because Mag'har in game aren't being portrayed as turning Green when exposed to Fel. Across the board. It's an overall inconsistency to what the lore tells us. I'll even point out how 'Orcs turned green well before they even drank Mannoroth's blood' had us seeing ZERO Green Orcs amongst the AU Draenor Horde right up to the WoD cinematic. The lore is inconsistent.


    Do you mind informing someone new to this lore how those happened, if those are the only two ways an orc turns green?
    Yes. I'd just say the lore is inconsistent to the actual game. That's it. Same reason why Tauren Priests can use Shadow magic even though there is no explanation why their race/culture allows it. And that's how I would see the existence of Lightforged or Mag'har Warlocks. They exist outside lore explanation, or at the very least, would be given a bare minimum explanation that covers these gameplay choices.

    Lore isn't a hard-and-fast rule that affects gameplay. That's just not how this shit works. If this were true, then all Holy/Light Magic in the game should damage Forsaken and DKs when used on them, just like how we know it to work in lore and in Warcraft 3. What we see instead is World of Warcraft lore being adapted to explain why Healing Light Game Mechanics works on Undead characters.


    As a question to you, how would you explain it to someone if Blizzard actually does eventually add Mag'har Warlocks? You said they literally can't be. Well, Blizzard can do whatever the fuck they want, so what would you say if they did?
    Last edited by Triceron; 2023-02-07 at 10:16 PM.

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