2023-2024 NFL Thread

[Grube]

Isn't the concern over Jackson just that he has only played 12 games in each of the last 2 seasons and wants a ton of guaranteed because the Browns made one of the dumbest moves in NFL history?

I couldn't care less about what happens with Jackson or the Ravens, but logically giving him what he is asking for is shooting yourself in the foot if he continues the same pattern. Especially in a league with salary caps, which baseball doesn't have a hard cap for. If anything, some of the MLB contracts like Miguel Cabrera's are a perfect example of why it is bad to do it that way.

[upirlikhyi]

Jalen Carter is being charged in connection with the crash that killed a Georgia teammate and staffer, they were racing, evidently.

Will this be a huge deal involving a potential top-5 pick? Or will the NFL sweep it under the rug like Dan Snyder fraud charges.

He was arrested and charged for the crimes he committed.

[Tech614]

He was arrested and charged for the crimes he committed.

Well since this got brought back up randomly from quoting an old post...

He got 12 months probation and a $1000 fine.

Also his involvement is way less damning than people where trying to say back when this news first broke.

In her announcement Thursday, Stephens wrote, "Mr. Carter never left the scene of the accident without being told that he could leave." The attorney also said that Carter "had not been drinking alcohol and was not under the influence of alcohol or any other illegal substance at the time of the wreck." She argued that, if he had been, police would have taken steps consistent with a DUI arrest after speaking to him at the scene.

His absolutely terrible and mailed in pro day is going to have a way bigger impact on his draft stock than this incident as it turns out.

[upirlikhyi]

Well since this got brought back up randomly from quoting an old post...

He got 12 months probation and a $1000 fine.

Also his involvement is way less damning than people where trying to say back when this news first broke.



His absolutely terrible and mailed in pro day is going to have a way bigger impact on his draft stock than this incident as it turns out.

I misinterpreted what you were saying. But the post I replied to said he would get away with everything.

He was arrested which he should have been.

And yes his combine and pro day were horrid. Still wish bears would have traded fields instead of the 1


And sorry I didn't read the exact date on the post I replied to.

[draynay]

I'm not really sure that is worth pointing out when much of Lamar's issues have to do with that specific deal and most of the other owners in the league being furious with the Browns for giving it to Watson and setting that precedent. Most of the owners absolutely loathe fully guaranteed contracts because they are required to put the entire amount in escrow upfront.

Fuck the owners and fuck their collusion.

[Tech614]

Every NFL contract should be guaranteed and at the same time have some reduction on the salary cap hits for major injuries with significant time missed. This protects both the players and the teams from getting in cap issues. The owners worrying about their bottom line can get fucked, the only real concern with guaranteed deals would be them completely fucking over your cap if an injury happened. Of course the owners are completely fine with them being bad for your cap because it keeps them from having to pay out fully guaranteed deals but they can get fucked, the most dangerous sport in the country should have fully guaranteed contracts.

[cordrann]

I misinterpreted what you were saying. But the post I replied to said he would get away with everything.

He was arrested which he should have been.

And yes his combine and pro day were horrid. Still wish bears would have traded fields instead of the 1


And sorry I didn't read the exact date on the post I replied to.

I might be wrong, but I think if Fields manages to reach even close to his potential he will be better than any player in this entire draft.

Fuck the owners and fuck their collusion.

While in spirit I totally agree with this sentiment, you also have to take into consideration that some of the current owners would find it very challenging to put 250 million dollars into an escrow account even if they wanted to. Even for a billionaire(with the majority of that wealth literally just being the team itself), that isn't a small amount of money.

[upirlikhyi]

What has given you that thought? The 2 years he's had where he only has 5 wins? He was drafted to a team that while they backed in they made the playoffs.

He has 6 games with more then 200 yards passing. And I don't want to hear the same excuse thats been used for 6 years the OL sucks. I know block win rate is only 2.9 secs and the Bears were 2nd at the end of the year.

Justin can not read a defense. And the NFL isn't the Big 10 where half of who you play you can win on pure talent.

i've been a Bears fans since I was 6 years old so 1977. I watched fans run Jay out of town but the last 2 QB Mitchy and Justin one is gone riding the pine and the other soon will follow imho.

Hell if I am wrong if the Bears with everything they grabbed so far......and Justin has to have a good season. Not a Rex Grossman type thing. I will come here and admit I was wrong.

Stats for Justin for me admit I was wrong. 10 wins min. Close to 70% comp rate. In the mid 20s for td's. at least a 2-1 td/int ratio. And since never in the storied history of the bears have they had a 4k passer in a season....3875.

His running does scare me. If he does it to when it's a last draw np.


i would love to come here and say i was run. Good luck to eveyone's season

[draynay]

While in spirit I totally agree with this sentiment, you also have to take into consideration that some of the current owners would find it very challenging to put 250 million dollars into an escrow account even if they wanted to. Even for a billionaire(with the majority of that wealth literally just being the team itself), that isn't a small amount of money.

You claim to agree but you keep carrying water for them.

[eschatological]

You claim to agree but you keep carrying water for them.

It's a similar sentiment to the idea that we should gladly and willingly subsidize new stadium costs for these billionaires on tax payer dollars. Lotta that going around Buffalo these days.

[cordrann]

What has given you that thought? The 2 years he's had where he only has 5 wins? He was drafted to a team that while they backed in they made the playoffs.

He has 6 games with more then 200 yards passing. And I don't want to hear the same excuse thats been used for 6 years the OL sucks. I know block win rate is only 2.9 secs and the Bears were 2nd at the end of the year.

Justin can not read a defense. And the NFL isn't the Big 10 where half of who you play you can win on pure talent.

i've been a Bears fans since I was 6 years old so 1977. I watched fans run Jay out of town but the last 2 QB Mitchy and Justin one is gone riding the pine and the other soon will follow imho.

Hell if I am wrong if the Bears with everything they grabbed so far......and Justin has to have a good season. Not a Rex Grossman type thing. I will come here and admit I was wrong.

Stats for Justin for me admit I was wrong. 10 wins min. Close to 70% comp rate. In the mid 20s for td's. at least a 2-1 td/int ratio. And since never in the storied history of the bears have they had a 4k passer in a season....3875.

His running does scare me. If he does it to when it's a last draw np.


i would love to come here and say i was run. Good luck to eveyone's season

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-receivi...ia-eagles-2022

Literally the worst receiver room in the league last year, and in his first year an abysmal coach.

[dwightyo39]

LOLwut? He averages over 40 sacks a year. (55 last year btw). To compare it: Brees 21, Brady 25, Mahomes 20. Even Josh Allen is around 30 a year. I'd say the closer comp to Russel Wilson could be Kyler Murray, both of them hold on to the ball too long and take sacks trying to extend plays.

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Dude have you went and looked at QB stats before talking out of your ass? Tom Brady would be considered very unathletic in his final years and in his last 5 years was not sacked more than 27 times.

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Amount of times sacked per game on average:
Lamar Jackson 1.89
Russel Wilson 2.79
Justin Herbert 2.06
Josh Allen 1.96
Kyler Murray 2.3
Patrick Mahomes 1.51
Drew Brees 1.46
Tom Brady 1.69

Notice something about mobile QBs not named Mahomes?
And for fun, Joe Burrow 2.95 (Bengals O-line is lol).

I would go as far as to say the Bills oline is every bit as bad as the Bengals, but Allen is able to shrug off arm tackles or escape better. That and Allen's injury came from getting his arm pulled down mid throw, in the pocket. If the Bills don't get him a better line or a WR who can get open, to take pressure off Diggs, Allen will have a short career.

[xskarma]

If the Bills don't get him a better line or a WR who can get open, to take pressure off Diggs, Allen will have a short career.

I suspect Josh will have a Big Ben type career. Big tank of a guy that has the ability to move and plow through, but also can throw it, and gets better at throwing it as his physicallity goes down. He'll play like 15+ years, hopefully for you with 1 team and with some titles in his pocket.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I suspect Josh will have a Big Ben type career. Big tank of a guy that has the ability to move and plow through, but also can throw it, and gets better at throwing it as his physicallity goes down. He'll play like 15+ years, hopefully for you with 1 team and with some titles in his pocket.

You say Big Ben but hearing about what McDermott was saying I'm reminded of a different QB.

Rodgers.

Packers had similar issues with Rodgers a long time back where he was always running up out of the pocket and taking big hits. They eventually managed to coach him into sliding rather than taking the hits and look what happened.

[eschatological]

The problem is Josh is a giant dumb golden retriever who likes to run and lope about and barrel into people. I don't think Rodgers had that issue.

[Tech614]

I believe you can coach Josh Allen to slide when I see it. The dude has the mentality of a Kittle or Henry which is wanting to look for contact, forget trying to avoid it. Rodgers didn't like to slide early in his career but he also didn't actively try to lower his shoulder and attack defenders head on like Allen. Not a good comparison imo. Also Allen has 15-20 lbs on Rodgers and absorbs hits better than Rodgers. I think Big Ben but faster is a way better comparison than Rodgers.

[eschatological]

Lamar's passing numbers are more a result of Greg Roman's offense and his playcalling, and not an indicator of Lamar's arm talent or passing ability. Have you watched Lamar play in the past few years?

[Tech614]

It's completely nonsensical to compare yards in a vacuum. Lamar's career high for passing attempts in a season is 401. The lowest Allen has had in any of his 4k+ seasons is 567. Lamar Jackson's career average per attempt is 7.4 and Allen is 7.2. Jackson's career completion % is 63.7%, Allen is 62.5%. Allen only has 27 more passing TDs than Jackson on nearly 1000 more career passing attempts.

These terrible takes about Jackson not being able to pass keep coming eh? Do you just rank by passing yards when deciding if a QB can pass the ball or do you actually watch them play? Jackson was a great passer in college and is in the NFL when allowed to.

Jackson is never going to be a Drew Brees type of efficiency passing the ball, but neither is Allen. Acting like Allen is a better passer than Lamar when the only passing stat he out performs Jackson in is volume is just idk.

[cordrann]

Volume is important. The Ravens use the run to set up the pass, so it's easier to have good efficiency when your opponent is keying on the run game.

I'm not saying Lamar Jackson is bad, btw - I'm saying that I can see why teams are less comfortable paying him a big contract than Josh Allen. There's just a lot more risk with him - you need to project that he can become a good pocket qb as he (inevitably) needs to compensate for declining athleticism, and this is compounded by the injury concerns (which contribute to declining athleticism).

Who the Ravens are is important too. When looking at the Daniel Jones contract, I do think the fan base psychology and the atmosphere around the team is important. If the Giants let Jones go, I think there'd be a collective "here we go again" from everyone around the franchise. With the Ravens, who have had a lot more success recently and have a respected front office, I think people would be more willing to see what they could pull off.

Given that Lamar is the focal point behind that recent success and before Lamar they spent 5 or so years being somewhere between mediocre and bad, this seems unlikely. The Ravens letting Lamar walk would be a much much bigger deal than the Giants letting Jones walk. You're comparing someone who is solidly a franchise QB and has carried his offense at points to someone who people aren't even sure is good yet.

[draynay]

A coaching staff can be guilty of hubris, but 45-16 with Lamar vs 8-13 without is a serious dose of reality that probably keeps them from thinking along those lines.