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  1. #21
    The tricky thing is he left. If they have video/witnesses of him leaving, that's probably a felony. If there's witnesses to his drunkenness, the DUI would be a felony.

    And if there's a felony, there's felony murder, which is the dumbest law in the history of everything, but still somehow considered constitutional and not "cruel and unusual punishment." And that's 25 to life.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    Jalen Carter is being charged in connection with the crash that killed a Georgia teammate and staffer, they were racing, evidently.

    Will this be a huge deal involving a potential top-5 pick? Or will the NFL sweep it under the rug like Dan Snyder fraud charges.
    Definitely more relevant to UGA than Carter/NFL. Carter will still be picked, maybe just not super high anymore. NFL will ignore it what is likely to be minor charges. UGA on the other hand has a female staffer at a strip club with student athletes and drunk racing afterwards. In a university owned vehicle with the said staffer having a .197 BAC. It's like a damn Blue Mountain State episode. They are going to get bent over in a lawsuit and have to pay massive settlement money to make it go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    And if there's a felony, there's felony murder, which is the dumbest law in the history of everything, but still somehow considered constitutional and not "cruel and unusual punishment." And that's 25 to life.
    He wasn't the one driving the vehicle that killed people. 0 threat of murder on the table here. All they served him with are reckless driving and and illegal racing. He's gonna be fine.
    Last edited by Tech614; 2023-03-02 at 05:49 AM.

  3. #23
    Jerome Boger is retiring. Easily the best news of the off season.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    He wasn't the one driving the vehicle that killed people. 0 threat of murder on the table here. All they served him with are reckless driving and and illegal racing. He's gonna be fine.
    There's a reason felony murder is the dumbest law on the books. If a homicide occurs during the committing of a felony, the felony murder rule lets you charge everyone involved in the felony with murder.

    Like, it's a law that's literally been used to charge someone in a car chase with murder when the cops accidentally shoot and kill an innocent bystander. It's the law that lets you charge the getaway driver with the murders of the guys inside the bank who're executing hostages, even if you didn't have the mens rea to commit violence (IE, the plan was quick in and out with no casualties, just the "threat of violence").

    It's been used to charge street racers with murder in the past, in other states with felony murder laws.
    https://accesswdun.com/article/2022/...north-of-helen

    Also, these are just the first charges. In cases like this, it's pretty common to charge someone with the easily-indictable misdemeanors so your investigation can be more expansive. Like, the charges will serve as the probable cause basis for later search warrants, like for any witnesses or camera footage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    There's a reason felony murder is the dumbest law on the books. If a homicide occurs during the committing of a felony, the felony murder rule lets you charge everyone involved in the felony with murder.

    Like, it's a law that's literally been used to charge someone in a car chase with murder when the cops accidentally shoot and kill an innocent bystander. It's the law that lets you charge the getaway driver with the murders of the guys inside the bank who're executing hostages, even if you didn't have the mens rea to commit violence (IE, the plan was quick in and out with no casualties, just the "threat of violence").

    It's been used to charge street racers with murder in the past, in other states with felony murder laws.
    https://accesswdun.com/article/2022/...north-of-helen

    Also, these are just the first charges. In cases like this, it's pretty common to charge someone with the easily-indictable misdemeanors so your investigation can be more expansive. Like, the charges will serve as the probable cause basis for later search warrants, like for any witnesses or camera footage.
    He is not being charged with a felony. If anything his fleeing the scene might of saved his ass because there is no way to prove he was intoxicated now. He is only being charged with 2 misdemeanors. It's been months, if they had anything else on him they would be filing the charges they got nothing. This is not some new event that just happened that hasn't been investigated for months already, they have nothing. He is still going to go in the first round, probably still high and the NFL doesn't give a crap.

    We also know there was a lot more UGA players there than just Carter but like I said it's been nearly 2 months, they have nothing to charge anyone with a serious crime here. The university on the other hand is going to get litigated out their ass since a staffer and university owned vehicle where involved.
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  6. #26
    That's why I said we have to see if the investigation expands to any witnesses/camera footage. Like, they know somehow that he was there to charge him with the misdemeanors.

    Also, "leaving the scene" might have been best for his legal situation, but I mean, it shows he's kind of a shitty human being, and also a crime. The word is someone was still alive when he left, and later died.

    Also, leaving the scene is a felony which he hasn't been charged with yet. Once they line up their evidence that he was there - that'll be the felony charge, but not one they can attach felony murder to (because it happened after the deaths, unless they can prove someone was alive when he left and later died). And some degree of vehicular homicide seems pretty likely too, also a felony - and while that charge is more tenuous, that's where they'd attach felony murder.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    That's why I said we have to see if the investigation expands to any witnesses/camera footage. Like, they know somehow that he was there to charge him with the misdemeanors.

    Also, "leaving the scene" might have been best for his legal situation, but I mean, it shows he's kind of a shitty human being, and also a crime. The word is someone was still alive when he left, and later died.

    Also, leaving the scene is a felony which he hasn't been charged with yet. Once they line up their evidence that he was there - that'll be the felony charge, but not one they can attach felony murder to (because it happened after the deaths, unless they can prove someone was alive when he left and later died). And some degree of vehicular homicide seems pretty likely too, also a felony - and while that charge is more tenuous, that's where they'd attach felony murder.
    You also have to factor in home cooking here. Who in the state of Georgia wants to see one of their "heroes" charged with murder?

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    That's why I said we have to see if the investigation expands to any witnesses/camera footage. Like, they know somehow that he was there to charge him with the misdemeanors.

    Also, "leaving the scene" might have been best for his legal situation, but I mean, it shows he's kind of a shitty human being, and also a crime. The word is someone was still alive when he left, and later died.

    Also, leaving the scene is a felony which he hasn't been charged with yet. Once they line up their evidence that he was there - that'll be the felony charge, but not one they can attach felony murder to (because it happened after the deaths, unless they can prove someone was alive when he left and later died). And some degree of vehicular homicide seems pretty likely too, also a felony - and while that charge is more tenuous, that's where they'd attach felony murder.
    Leaving the scene in this situation is absolutely not a felony or he would of already been served with that. His car would have to be directly involved in the crash for leaving the scene to be a felony and it wasn't. He himself committed no property damage nor bodily harm so leaving the scene is not a felony. No DA would even have the balls to try and challenge this as a felony besides the fact of the entire state going against them like the above post says the evidence is non existent or they would already have charged him and others. It's not a charge they would win, they couldn't even get a plea deal out of it because his agency would get him the best defense lawyer money can buy and absolutely shred those charges.
    Last edited by Tech614; 2023-03-03 at 02:44 AM.

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    Georgia might want to learn a lesson about letting their idiot football players run amok, they might end up as politicians...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Leaving the scene in this situation is absolutely not a felony or he would of already been served with that. His car would have to be directly involved in the crash for leaving the scene to be a felony and it wasn't. He himself committed no property damage nor bodily harm so leaving the scene is not a felony. No DA would even have the balls to try and challenge this as a felony besides the fact of the entire state going against them like the above post says the evidence is non existent or they would already have charged him and others. It's not a charge they would win, they couldn't even get a plea deal out of it because his agency would get him the best defense lawyer money can buy and absolutely shred those charges.
    Whether the DA presses the charges is a different matter, and political in nature. His car doesn't have to cause any damage for him to be criminally responsible. The illegal act (of street racing) makes him responsible for shit that happens after. This is like, a basic principle of criminal law. You don't get to take part in the one crime and not be responsible for the others (even if the inciting crime is a misdemeanor).

    Also, leaving the scene when there's serious bodily injury is a felony in Georgia.

    But what do I know, I only have a law degree and was a public defender (albeit not in Georgia).

  11. #31
    Anyone keeping up with the Combine?

    Anthony Richardson just set the record for a QB in the vertical jump. If only he could play football.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Anyone keeping up with the Combine?

    Anthony Richardson just set the record for a QB in the vertical jump. If only he could play football.
    Serious question - what could Jalen Hurts do coming out of college that this guy can't do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk View Post
    Serious question - what could Jalen Hurts do coming out of college that this guy can't do?
    Believe me, I watched the inexplicable rise of Josh Allen after being a "toolsy" guy in college who sucked at football in college. Hurts and Allen are....well, I don't know if it's the anomaly, but I think they're indicative of the rise of QB mechanics-fixers like Jordan Palmer, and a psycho mentality, and being surrounded/supported by good coaches/talent.

    Richardson will need a lot of work and a lot of patience from a franchise who is willing to sink a couple years into him. Josh Allen was mediocre for two years before he broke out - players don't usually get that much time to figure it out.

    I think Richardson's best case is a team like Detroit or Carolina. Anything else he'll probably flame out, through no fault of his own. It's kind of weird, almost all QB prospects I've seen flame out the past half decade, to me, seem to be about the coaching more than anything else. If Baker Mayfield can come into L.A. on 0 practices and win a football game under McVay, I don't think he was the problem in Cleveland/Carolina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk View Post
    Serious question - what could Jalen Hurts do coming out of college that this guy can't do?
    I'm a Richardson believer, but he's closer to Hurts after one year as a starter than Hurts as a senior, that's the biggest problem. Lack of experience means he might take some time to reach his potential. Another year as a starter would've done him some good.
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    I had to look up Anthony Richardson to remember who he is. The problem with not following college football, when even your favorite teams is forgotten.

    I'd be worried drafting Bryce Young. He might be tough, but that tiny frame would get blown up by today's pass rushers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk View Post
    Serious question - what could Jalen Hurts do coming out of college that this guy can't do?
    Hurts completed 69.7% of his passes his senior year. 3851 passing yards and passing 32 TDs with a 191 Rating
    Richardson 53.8% with 2549 passing yards and only 17 TDs with a 131.1 Rating

    Hurts had 1298 rushing yards to Richardson's 654 yards. Hurts has a National Title Richardson is an also ran.

    They aren't even comparable honestly. I am not suggesting that Richardson could not become a Hall of Fame QB in the NFL just those are their numbers their senior years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk View Post
    You also have to factor in home cooking here. Who in the state of Georgia wants to see one of their "heroes" charged with murder?
    Murder? That's a huge leap. Murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Involuntary manslaughter maybe which I think is still a misdemeanor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    Hurts completed 69.7% of his passes his senior year. 3851 passing yards and passing 32 TDs with a 191 Rating
    Richardson 53.8% with 2549 passing yards and only 17 TDs with a 131.1 Rating

    Hurts had 1298 rushing yards to Richardson's 654 yards. Hurts has a National Title Richardson is an also ran.

    They aren't even comparable honestly. I am not suggesting that Richardson could not become a Hall of Fame QB in the NFL just those are their numbers their senior years.
    Richardson was a redshirt sophomore. Not being nitpicky, just saying he's a lot earlier in his development and there's more projection involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    Richardson was a redshirt sophomore. Not being nitpicky, just saying he's a lot earlier in his development and there's more projection involved.
    And Hurts was throwing to Ceedee Lamb in the no defense big 12. Before that he had a 60% completion rate throwing to a ridiculous collection of talent at Alabama. But yeah I do agree that he’s leaving too soon and needs more seasoning. The most valuable years to a franchise are the first few so they want you to come out fairly polished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logwyn View Post
    Hurts completed 69.7% of his passes his senior year. 3851 passing yards and passing 32 TDs with a 191 Rating
    Richardson 53.8% with 2549 passing yards and only 17 TDs with a 131.1 Rating

    Hurts had 1298 rushing yards to Richardson's 654 yards. Hurts has a National Title Richardson is an also ran.

    They aren't even comparable honestly. I am not suggesting that Richardson could not become a Hall of Fame QB in the NFL just those are their numbers their senior years.
    Claiming Hurts has a national title is a little strange since he lost the NC game against Clemson and was on his way to losing the 2nd when his ass got benched for Tua who led them back and won that national title you just gave credit to Hurts for. I mean yea he has a national title technically but so does Montana Murphy do you even know who that is? Like Hurts he earned that Alabama national title sitting on the bench.

    Hurts was raw AF at Alabama, if he came out prior to his senior season he wouldn't have even been drafted. Richardson isn't playing his senior season. I wouldn't take the chance on Richardson, too boom or bust for my liking but I don't get the hype here of Hurts. Hurts wasn't anything that special in college either, besides playing in a offense that every QB who has ever played in has put up big numbers his senior season. He also wasn't anything special for a bit in the NFL. He was just like Richardson and an extremely raw prospect that took a TON of development.
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    Anthony Richardson has all the hallmarks of being a combine hyped bust.
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