2023-2024 NFL Thread

[Tech614]

There's a reason felony murder is the dumbest law on the books. If a homicide occurs during the committing of a felony, the felony murder rule lets you charge everyone involved in the felony with murder.

Like, it's a law that's literally been used to charge someone in a car chase with murder when the cops accidentally shoot and kill an innocent bystander. It's the law that lets you charge the getaway driver with the murders of the guys inside the bank who're executing hostages, even if you didn't have the mens rea to commit violence (IE, the plan was quick in and out with no casualties, just the "threat of violence").

It's been used to charge street racers with murder in the past, in other states with felony murder laws.
https://accesswdun.com/article/2022/...north-of-helen

Also, these are just the first charges. In cases like this, it's pretty common to charge someone with the easily-indictable misdemeanors so your investigation can be more expansive. Like, the charges will serve as the probable cause basis for later search warrants, like for any witnesses or camera footage.

He is not being charged with a felony. If anything his fleeing the scene might of saved his ass because there is no way to prove he was intoxicated now. He is only being charged with 2 misdemeanors. It's been months, if they had anything else on him they would be filing the charges they got nothing. This is not some new event that just happened that hasn't been investigated for months already, they have nothing. He is still going to go in the first round, probably still high and the NFL doesn't give a crap.

We also know there was a lot more UGA players there than just Carter but like I said it's been nearly 2 months, they have nothing to charge anyone with a serious crime here. The university on the other hand is going to get litigated out their ass since a staffer and university owned vehicle where involved.

[eschatological]

That's why I said we have to see if the investigation expands to any witnesses/camera footage. Like, they know somehow that he was there to charge him with the misdemeanors.

Also, "leaving the scene" might have been best for his legal situation, but I mean, it shows he's kind of a shitty human being, and also a crime. The word is someone was still alive when he left, and later died.

Also, leaving the scene is a felony which he hasn't been charged with yet. Once they line up their evidence that he was there - that'll be the felony charge, but not one they can attach felony murder to (because it happened after the deaths, unless they can prove someone was alive when he left and later died). And some degree of vehicular homicide seems pretty likely too, also a felony - and while that charge is more tenuous, that's where they'd attach felony murder.

[Tech614]

That's why I said we have to see if the investigation expands to any witnesses/camera footage. Like, they know somehow that he was there to charge him with the misdemeanors.

Also, "leaving the scene" might have been best for his legal situation, but I mean, it shows he's kind of a shitty human being, and also a crime. The word is someone was still alive when he left, and later died.

Also, leaving the scene is a felony which he hasn't been charged with yet. Once they line up their evidence that he was there - that'll be the felony charge, but not one they can attach felony murder to (because it happened after the deaths, unless they can prove someone was alive when he left and later died). And some degree of vehicular homicide seems pretty likely too, also a felony - and while that charge is more tenuous, that's where they'd attach felony murder.

Leaving the scene in this situation is absolutely not a felony or he would of already been served with that. His car would have to be directly involved in the crash for leaving the scene to be a felony and it wasn't. He himself committed no property damage nor bodily harm so leaving the scene is not a felony. No DA would even have the balls to try and challenge this as a felony besides the fact of the entire state going against them like the above post says the evidence is non existent or they would already have charged him and others. It's not a charge they would win, they couldn't even get a plea deal out of it because his agency would get him the best defense lawyer money can buy and absolutely shred those charges.

[draynay]

Georgia might want to learn a lesson about letting their idiot football players run amok, they might end up as politicians...

[eschatological]

Leaving the scene in this situation is absolutely not a felony or he would of already been served with that. His car would have to be directly involved in the crash for leaving the scene to be a felony and it wasn't. He himself committed no property damage nor bodily harm so leaving the scene is not a felony. No DA would even have the balls to try and challenge this as a felony besides the fact of the entire state going against them like the above post says the evidence is non existent or they would already have charged him and others. It's not a charge they would win, they couldn't even get a plea deal out of it because his agency would get him the best defense lawyer money can buy and absolutely shred those charges.

Whether the DA presses the charges is a different matter, and political in nature. His car doesn't have to cause any damage for him to be criminally responsible. The illegal act (of street racing) makes him responsible for shit that happens after. This is like, a basic principle of criminal law. You don't get to take part in the one crime and not be responsible for the others (even if the inciting crime is a misdemeanor).

Also, leaving the scene when there's serious bodily injury is a felony in Georgia.

But what do I know, I only have a law degree and was a public defender (albeit not in Georgia).

[eschatological]

Anyone keeping up with the Combine?

Anthony Richardson just set the record for a QB in the vertical jump. If only he could play football.

[eschatological]

Serious question - what could Jalen Hurts do coming out of college that this guy can't do?

Believe me, I watched the inexplicable rise of Josh Allen after being a "toolsy" guy in college who sucked at football in college. Hurts and Allen are....well, I don't know if it's the anomaly, but I think they're indicative of the rise of QB mechanics-fixers like Jordan Palmer, and a psycho mentality, and being surrounded/supported by good coaches/talent.

Richardson will need a lot of work and a lot of patience from a franchise who is willing to sink a couple years into him. Josh Allen was mediocre for two years before he broke out - players don't usually get that much time to figure it out.

I think Richardson's best case is a team like Detroit or Carolina. Anything else he'll probably flame out, through no fault of his own. It's kind of weird, almost all QB prospects I've seen flame out the past half decade, to me, seem to be about the coaching more than anything else. If Baker Mayfield can come into L.A. on 0 practices and win a football game under McVay, I don't think he was the problem in Cleveland/Carolina.

[draynay]

Serious question - what could Jalen Hurts do coming out of college that this guy can't do?

I'm a Richardson believer, but he's closer to Hurts after one year as a starter than Hurts as a senior, that's the biggest problem. Lack of experience means he might take some time to reach his potential. Another year as a starter would've done him some good.

[Pendulous]

I had to look up Anthony Richardson to remember who he is. The problem with not following college football, when even your favorite teams is forgotten.

I'd be worried drafting Bryce Young. He might be tough, but that tiny frame would get blown up by today's pass rushers.

[Logwyn]

Serious question - what could Jalen Hurts do coming out of college that this guy can't do?

Hurts completed 69.7% of his passes his senior year. 3851 passing yards and passing 32 TDs with a 191 Rating
Richardson 53.8% with 2549 passing yards and only 17 TDs with a 131.1 Rating

Hurts had 1298 rushing yards to Richardson's 654 yards. Hurts has a National Title Richardson is an also ran.

They aren't even comparable honestly. I am not suggesting that Richardson could not become a Hall of Fame QB in the NFL just those are their numbers their senior years.

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You also have to factor in home cooking here. Who in the state of Georgia wants to see one of their "heroes" charged with murder?

Murder? That's a huge leap. Murder is the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Involuntary manslaughter maybe which I think is still a misdemeanor?

[draynay]

Hurts completed 69.7% of his passes his senior year. 3851 passing yards and passing 32 TDs with a 191 Rating
Richardson 53.8% with 2549 passing yards and only 17 TDs with a 131.1 Rating

Hurts had 1298 rushing yards to Richardson's 654 yards. Hurts has a National Title Richardson is an also ran.

They aren't even comparable honestly. I am not suggesting that Richardson could not become a Hall of Fame QB in the NFL just those are their numbers their senior years.

Richardson was a redshirt sophomore. Not being nitpicky, just saying he's a lot earlier in his development and there's more projection involved.

[Tech614]

Hurts completed 69.7% of his passes his senior year. 3851 passing yards and passing 32 TDs with a 191 Rating
Richardson 53.8% with 2549 passing yards and only 17 TDs with a 131.1 Rating

Hurts had 1298 rushing yards to Richardson's 654 yards. Hurts has a National Title Richardson is an also ran.

They aren't even comparable honestly. I am not suggesting that Richardson could not become a Hall of Fame QB in the NFL just those are their numbers their senior years.

Claiming Hurts has a national title is a little strange since he lost the NC game against Clemson and was on his way to losing the 2nd when his ass got benched for Tua who led them back and won that national title you just gave credit to Hurts for. I mean yea he has a national title technically but so does Montana Murphy do you even know who that is? Like Hurts he earned that Alabama national title sitting on the bench.

Hurts was raw AF at Alabama, if he came out prior to his senior season he wouldn't have even been drafted. Richardson isn't playing his senior season. I wouldn't take the chance on Richardson, too boom or bust for my liking but I don't get the hype here of Hurts. Hurts wasn't anything that special in college either, besides playing in a offense that every QB who has ever played in has put up big numbers his senior season. He also wasn't anything special for a bit in the NFL. He was just like Richardson and an extremely raw prospect that took a TON of development.

[Northern Goblin]

Anthony Richardson has all the hallmarks of being a combine hyped bust.

[Kyanion]

Anthony Richardson has all the hallmarks of being a combine hyped bust.

He was hyped far before the combine. This isn't some workout warrior rising up the boards. His combine really just solidified why he is such a tempting prospect.

[Northern Goblin]

He was hyped far before the combine. This isn't some workout warrior rising up the boards. His combine really just solidified why he is such a tempting prospect.

He wasn't being touted as a top 5 before the combine though, he was ranked 3rd at best on QB boards, often 4th behind Will.

[Kyanion]

He wasn't being touted as a top 5 before the combine though, he was ranked 3rd at best on QB boards, often 4th behind Will.

Yeah but if you look at betting market trends he was shooting up those boards to be drafted highly before the combine. You want to see a true indicator of what people are thinking look at those, because money is on the line there.

Who gives a flying fuck about draft boards, those things are always wrong.

[Tech614]

He wasn't being touted as a top 5 before the combine though, he was ranked 3rd at best on QB boards, often 4th behind Will.

I mean I'm not surprised he jumped ahead of them with his combine performance this QB class is just not that great. CJ Stroud is the most polished but he seems to have trouble throwing into a pattern match zone coverage defense against Michigan which is the same defense half of the NFL runs so idk about that one.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Honestly I think the surprise bust of the Combine is going to be Young. He's small, he's light, and I see it as a red flag that he'd rather throw at his Pro Day than the Combine. I expect to see very rehearsed and scripted throws to make him lool good.


Either way, Chicago has to be hating seeing this. They went from probably being able to trade down with a team that needs to jump the Texans and Colts for a QB to maybe nobody needing to move up because there's 4-5 first round options.

[Grube]

They already practice the throwing drills for the combine, they just don't have the receivers they practiced with. Most college QBs can make the throws with no pass rush in shorts with good mechanics. People put way too much stock in them every year because they forget how useless the drills outside of the 3 cone and shuttle for some positions are. Nothing else translates well to actually playing football.

Only reason I can even think of for them still having the drills to begin with is giving NFL network things to broadcast. The interviews and medicals are the only parts of the combine that matter.

[Kyanion]

Saints are signing Carr according to reports. This is a huge step up in QB play considering they had Andy Dalton and Jaemis Winston the past couple years. I am curious who the backup will end up being as that is very important in today's game. (It is likely that Winston gets cut or traded). Now I hope the Saints keep Michael Thomas assuming he can come back healthy and that gives them a very dangerous offense with Carr/Kamara/Thomas/Olave/Hill.