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    Saints D playing a bit too soft and letting Carolina drive down the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Chubb's knee got destroyed by fuckhead Minkah Fitzpatrick. That was such a dirty hit, and probably ends Chubbs career too.

    NFL's too timid to do more than a fine and maaaybe a 1 game suspension.
    Was it a dirty hit? And what makes Fitzpatrick a fuckhead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Saints D playing a bit too soft and letting Carolina drive down the field.

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    Was it a dirty hit? And what makes Fitzpatrick a fuckhead?
    Minkah dove his entire body right into Chubb's knee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotBigzo View Post
    Minkah dove his entire body right into Chubb's knee.
    Looked like he had gone lower than that but it wasn't a great angle that I saw.

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    Okay NOW that is the game being iced, Saints give up a TD and I think let the backdoor cover happen, but will win 20-17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Looked like he had gone lower than that but it wasn't a great angle that I saw.

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    Okay NOW that is the game being iced, Saints give up a TD and I think let the backdoor cover happen, but will win 20-17
    That....doesn't make it any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotBigzo View Post
    That....doesn't make it any better.
    Until I see a better view of what happened I am not going to rush to call it a dirty play, it sucks for Chubb but it didn't look illegal or likely to draw a penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Saints D playing a bit too soft and letting Carolina drive down the field.

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    Was it a dirty hit? And what makes Fitzpatrick a fuckhead?
    yeah, it was an intentional low hit.

    Im not going to link to it directly, but you can find the video on r/nfl.

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    Something tells me the friendly schmoozing after the Saints/Panthers game will not be repeated in the Steelers/Browns post game.
    /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    yeah, it was an intentional low hit.
    Can't hit high anymore, so you gotta break a dudes knee in half. Its what the NFL wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Until I see a better view of what happened I am not going to rush to call it a dirty play, it sucks for Chubb but it didn't look illegal or likely to draw a penalty.
    You can’t tackle below the knee in the NFL

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotBigzo View Post
    You can’t tackle below the knee in the NFL
    I believe that only applies to a QB. Chubb is not a QB in the pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    Can't hit high anymore, so you gotta break a dudes knee in half. Its what the NFL wants.
    Sadly they'd rather a broken leg than a broken skull. It sucks that in this violent sport there isn't enough time spent on proper tackling anymore.
    Last edited by Kyanion; 2023-09-19 at 02:36 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    I believe that only applies to a QB. Chubb is not a QB in the pocket.

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    Sadly they'd rather a broken leg than a broken skull. It sucks that in this violent sport there isn't enough time spent on proper tackling anymore.
    Yeah, always cringe when DBs that don't have a size advantage on big guys like TEs and RBs go low like that. Especially on artificial turf where your foot is a stick in the mud when tackled low. This was on real grass though. Didn't watch the replay because I don't feel like puking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    Yeah, always cringe when DBs that don't have a size advantage on big guys like TEs and RBs go low like that. Especially on artificial turf where your foot is a stick in the mud when tackled low. This was on real grass though. Didn't watch the replay because I don't feel like puking.
    Yeah I've heard it is really gruesome so that is why I'm not seeking it out further, I saw the replay from the game and it was really crappy to do a tackle like that but all I'm saying is that sadly it looked like a 'legal tackle' despite how shitty it was.

    I can't say what my stance is on grass vs turf, from what I've read it is pretty much a wash. But if it is proven that natural grass is even slightly better at preventing injury it should be the route taken.

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    Just for some clarification for people that didn't see/don't want to see the hit. It wasn't a dirty hit because he went low, that would be normal against a big back. It was dirty because Chubb was already engaged with another player going to the ground and he them gave a hit to the knee on top of it. He was not in a situation where he needs to go low, Chubb was already going to the ground he just needed to help secure the tackle further. If this happens with offensive players its a chop block and highly illegal, the fact this isn't illegal for defensive players is laughable and shouldn't last this offseason after this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Just for some clarification for people that didn't see/don't want to see the hit. It wasn't a dirty hit because he went low, that would be normal against a big back. It was dirty because Chubb was already engaged with another player going to the ground and he them gave a hit to the knee on top of it. He was not in a situation where he needs to go low, Chubb was already going to the ground he just needed to help secure the tackle further. If this happens with offensive players its a chop block and highly illegal, the fact this isn't illegal for defensive players is laughable and shouldn't last this offseason after this.
    We’ll put the Minkah Fitzpatrick rule right with the Ryan Shazir one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Just for some clarification for people that didn't see/don't want to see the hit. It wasn't a dirty hit because he went low, that would be normal against a big back. It was dirty because Chubb was already engaged with another player going to the ground and he them gave a hit to the knee on top of it. He was not in a situation where he needs to go low, Chubb was already going to the ground he just needed to help secure the tackle further. If this happens with offensive players its a chop block and highly illegal, the fact this isn't illegal for defensive players is laughable and shouldn't last this offseason after this.
    I mean it would be great if that type of tackle got removed, but I don't think this is going to change anything sadly.

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    yeah went looking into the rules and I'm gobsmacked that what was essentially a defensive chop block isnt illegal.

    but I also think something can be legal and also be dirty, like knowingly going into as guys knees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Yeah I've heard it is really gruesome so that is why I'm not seeking it out further, I saw the replay from the game and it was really crappy to do a tackle like that but all I'm saying is that sadly it looked like a 'legal tackle' despite how shitty it was.

    I can't say what my stance is on grass vs turf, from what I've read it is pretty much a wash. But if it is proven that natural grass is even slightly better at preventing injury it should be the route taken.
    I'm pretty neutral on artificial turf vs natural grass. I mean, we saw last super bowl what bad natural grass is like. Non contact stuff happens more often on artificial turf... but its a physical sport. Injuries gonna happen regardless of playing field.

    Gonna be interesting when a lot of the NFL goes to real turf for the world cup. Lumen was originally supposed to get natural grass, but they opted for artificial due to the rain in the winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    yeah went looking into the rules and I'm gobsmacked that what was essentially a defensive chop block isnt illegal.

    but I also think something can be legal and also be dirty, like knowingly going into as guys knees.
    I know, it is really stupid some of the tackles the defense can put on offensive players, what happened tonight as a prime example of this. But it is 'legal' and it really sucks for players that get seriously injured when they are basically already being tackled and the play is nearly over.

    One thing that was pretty telling was other NFL players commenting on it and they were sad for Chubb but I didn't notice any of them attacking Fitzpatrick for a dirty play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    I'm pretty neutral on artificial turf vs natural grass. I mean, we saw last super bowl what bad natural grass is like. Non contact stuff happens more often on artificial turf... but its a physical sport. Injuries gonna happen regardless of playing field.

    Gonna be interesting when a lot of the NFL goes to real turf for the world cup. Lumen was originally supposed to get natural grass, but they opted for artificial due to the rain in the winter.
    Which is dumb, if you are going natural grass for the world cup in a few years or whatever, why not do it now and make your players happier? Cause they don't seem to care, it is all about the mighty dollar.

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    They could rule Chubb was defenseless since he was already in the grasp of a tackler, which could make it an illegal hit. It happened pretty quickly and I'm also not going to analyze any replays, I'll let the league office do that.
    /s

  20. #980
    I made the mistake of looking at the replay of Chubb's injury, looks real bad. That hit is also extremely dirty, diving at someone's legs when they are already being taken to the ground shouldn't be a thing.

    Not sure why Watson is allowed to keep putting his hands on people he shouldn't. Guess the refs figured the Browns are worse off with him playing QB so they didn't eject him.

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