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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    If you want a developmental guy do you give up the bevy of firsts to get up to #1 though? If you wanted a developmental guy you could get to like 5 or 6 and be fine.

    No this is a move for Stroud or Young. Question will just be which one.
    The odds on CJ Stroud being the #1 pick have moved from +400 to -320 (the prohibitive favorite), with a huge chunk of the move since the trade was announced. Total movement less than a week. Seems like Vegas knows who the Panthers want.

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    CJ Stroud is the most polished passer of the group so it would be silly to go in any other direction. Still a lot to give up for a guy that is scared to run and doesn't like to throw into tight windows that he will see in the NFL on every snap. I know it sounds silly because he is the most polished of the group but Stroud is also a developmental guy he is not someone I can see having an immediate impact.

    I wouldn't be selling the farm to draft a guy that spent all of 2021 throwing to 3 guys who got drafted in the first and spent all of 2022 throwing to 2 guys who will be drafted in the first round of 2024 but still couldn't manage to out duel a Michigan team who only had Daxton Hill and DJ Turner as draftable players in the entire secondary. But that's why the panthers are the panthers.

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    I swear people were talking about how weak the qb class was for months until as recently as a few weeks ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProphetFlume View Post
    I swear people were talking about how weak the qb class was for months until as recently as a few weeks ago.
    This kinda always happens after the combine. Folks start switching from "what should teams do" mode to "what will teams do" mode.

    And if one thing is true in the NFL these days, teams will find 3 guys to put in the top 10 and 5 to put in the first round, even if none exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    This kinda always happens after the combine. Folks start switching from "what should teams do" mode to "what will teams do" mode.

    And if one thing is true in the NFL these days, teams will find 3 guys to put in the top 10 and 5 to put in the first round, even if none exist.
    A curious position to take considering how the most recent draft went down.
    What is interesting though is that, of the 9 QBs drafted last year, 7 of them have already started at least one game despite how maligned a group they were.
    It would lead me to believe teams would give greater value to the NFL ready prospects, since they can't really hide and develop their draft pick QBs.

    Reviewing last year's draft makes me wonder what will become of Matt Corral, a 3rd round pick, he never saw action, with 3 experienced QBs in front of him, and now he's about to be supplanted by the #1 pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    A curious position to take considering how the most recent draft went down.
    What is interesting though is that, of the 9 QBs drafted last year, 7 of them have already started at least one game despite how maligned a group they were.
    It would lead me to believe teams would give greater value to the NFL ready prospects, since they can't really hide and develop their draft pick QBs.

    Reviewing last year's draft makes me wonder what will become of Matt Corral, a 3rd round pick, he never saw action, with 3 experienced QBs in front of him, and now he's about to be supplanted by the #1 pick.
    I feel like last year's draft is an anomaly that won't happen again for the rest of the decade, honestly. Hell, I'm still amazed Ridder wasn't somehow inflated into a late 1st rounder at least.
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    NFL GMs are the epitome of "I can fix him". Which is why we have a QB who couldn't even sniff 60% completion being a possible top 10 pick because he had a good workout at the combine. One single Josh Allen works out and everyone thinks they can replicate that with any physical specimen for the next decade while they all fail to do so.

    I think Stroud is definitely a legit 1st rounder just based on arm talent and accuracy. But every other prospect? Being drafted because the NFL has an obsession with overvaluing raw prospect rookie QBs. Just like with the Trey Lance trade up and pick.

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    I feel like last year's draft is an anomaly that won't happen again for the rest of the decade, honestly. Hell, I'm still amazed Ridder wasn't somehow inflated into a late 1st rounder at least.
    Fun fact from the 2022 draft.... only TWO players selected were pro bowlers. Both were corners.

  9. #149
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    NFL GMs are the epitome of "I can fix him". Which is why we have a QB who couldn't even sniff 60% completion being a possible top 10 pick because he had a good workout at the combine. One single Josh Allen works out and everyone thinks they can replicate that with any physical specimen for the next decade while they all fail to do so.

    I think Stroud is definitely a legit 1st rounder just based on arm talent and accuracy. But every other prospect? Being drafted because the NFL has an obsession with overvaluing raw prospect rookie QBs. Just like with the Trey Lance trade up and pick.
    I sometimes wish we had an upvote system. NFL GMs are all arrogant enough to believe they can fix the flaws in a given player's game. And to be fair, that's the exact thing the Bills thought with Allen. But the impetus for Allen becoming better was on Allen himself, who put in a lot of work to be an NFL QB. I think the best you can do is evaluate the character and work ethic of the guy, with a baseline of traits and skill, and see what you come up with. I'd be hedging my bets from the get-go, though.

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    Speaking of the "I can fix him" mentality. Bucs apparently are zeroing in on Mayfield as their guy next year.
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    Jalen Ramsey to the Dolphins. Reworked contract with 2 years fully guaranteed for 36M+, Rams get a 3rd rounder + a TE from the Dolphins in compensation.

    Seems reasonable, but at that draft cost you have to wonder why other teams were perhaps not involved.

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    I don't know why the Dolphins even have TEs on their roster with how little they use them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    I don't know why the Dolphins even have TEs on their roster with how little they use them.
    Trying to coax Brady into coming over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetali View Post
    Trying to coax Brady into coming over.
    I mean, Dolphins start out hot, team looks great, look poised for a deep playoff run...and Tua gets a concussion. Tell me that's not tempting to basically any HoF just-retired QB if they got that opportunity.

    Still not sure Brady would actually do it, but that's a situation that's hard to turn down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    NFL GMs are the epitome of "I can fix him". Which is why we have a QB who couldn't even sniff 60% completion being a possible top 10 pick because he had a good workout at the combine. One single Josh Allen works out and everyone thinks they can replicate that with any physical specimen for the next decade while they all fail to do so.

    I think Stroud is definitely a legit 1st rounder just based on arm talent and accuracy. But every other prospect? Being drafted because the NFL has an obsession with overvaluing raw prospect rookie QBs. Just like with the Trey Lance trade up and pick.
    Considering the success rates with QBs in general I think it makes sense to gamble when you have someone that appears to be not just a generational athlete at the position, but would also simultaneously be one of the biggest people at the position. He's both faster than Justin Fields and heavier than Josh Allen.

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    LOTS of early news in the NFL with Legal Tampering and teams still making roster moves.

    Patriots traded Jonnu Smith to the Falcons for a 7th. Eat 12M in salary, but I'm surprised we managed to find anyone who wanted him.

    Re-sign CB Jonathan Jones versatile CB and potentially Safety, and long time voice in the back end of the Patriots. Much needed signing with McCourty retiring.

  17. #157
    Guess the Raiders won't be starting Stidham after all. Went to Denver for some strange reason. I don't understand that one for either side other than they needed a backup of some kind with not bringing Rypien back.

    $5m a year seems like a lot for a backup that isn't very good too.

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    So we're either drafting a QB, or we are in full tank mode.
    Ex-Mod. Technically retired, they just won't let me quit.

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    Now they are massively overpaying Mike McGlinchey. I know there wasn't a RT on the roster and he's probably one of the best available, but 5 year $87.5m for him sounds really bad.

    Hopefully they glow a bunch of money on whoever the best available center is, because Cushenberry is atrocious.

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    Garoppolo going to the Raiders which isn't a super shock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    So we're either drafting a QB, or we are in full tank mode.
    Might still be in tank mode if he gets hurt I suppose.


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