Are Evokers getting a new spec?

[Mamut]

TBF, Demon Hunters never had the design space to be a 3 spec class. They barely had enough for 2 specs.

In the case of Evokers, the Black Dragonflight aspect of the class is clearly missing/underrepresented, especially considering that it was that aspect that created them in the first place.

Everytime when new expansion or big patch was announced after Legion there were topics how DH is getting 3rd spec with wall of texts why it's needed and how its justified in lore. Just like the one you just made.

Just face it, those classes are designed as two spec and they will never get 3rd one. Its just how they decided to roll them. Doesn't matter if they just don't wanna put more time into it or they think the 3rd spec won't be different enough from the 2.

[Teriz]

Everytime when new expansion or big patch was announced after Legion there were topics how DH is getting 3rd spec with wall of texts why it's needed and how its justified in lore. Just like the one you just made.

Just face it, those classes are designed as two spec and they will never get 3rd one. Its just how they decided to roll them. Doesn't matter if they just don't wanna put more time into it or they think the 3rd spec won't be different enough from the 2.

Again, this isn't the same situation. This isn't a bunch of forum posters dumping their desired concepts in a post, this is datamined info stating that Evokers are getting a new specialization. That's literally what it says in the quest text.

[Makorus]

The plot thickens....

Yeah, at this point the only thing working against this being a new specialization is Blizzard never having introduced a new specialization mid-expansion before, and that's a pretty weak thing to hang your hat on.

I suppose the other thing is the fact that Blizzard supposedly said that Evokers can't be tanks and they don't want anymore melee, yet the tank spec is really the only spec that makes sense. The only other option would be to pull a shaman and make a melee DPS spec, which really doesn't fit the class. That means that you make a caster tank along the same lines as the Dark Apothesis Warlock from MoP and WoD, which was literally an ability away from being a viable tank. A caster tank would fit both the class, the talents, and the black dragon theme. Also as @paxen stated, it would be very good for raid groups.

Personally, I hope it's not a tank. The fact that every single new class is a tank is kind of eh and Blizz struggles enough to have everytank fill a niche.

Caster Tank would be interesting, but kinda ruined by the fact that for most tank mechanics, you have to stay in Melee.

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Everytime when new expansion or big patch was announced after Legion there were topics how DH is getting 3rd spec with wall of texts why it's needed and how its justified in lore. Just like the one you just made.

Just face it, those classes are designed as two spec and they will never get 3rd one. Its just how they decided to roll them. Doesn't matter if they just don't wanna put more time into it or they think the 3rd spec won't be different enough from the 2.

Demon Hunters did not have a quest saying "New Spec Unlocked".

[czarek]

Obviously not how can you manage class balance mid expansion patch its nonsense.

[Teriz]

Caster Tank would be interesting, but kinda ruined by the fact that for most tank mechanics, you have to stay in Melee.

I felt that "tanking" with the Dark Apothesis Warlock was a lot of fun in MoP. Being able to tank with ranged spells really gives you the feeling of a god. It's quite entertaining. Having a true tank being able to do that will bring a lot to the tanking role, even if a lot of people don't want to tank.

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Obviously not how can you manage class balance mid expansion patch its nonsense.

We're talking about balancing a new spec, not breaking the light-speed barrier. Yeah its not something they've ever done before, but it isn't like they don't constantly overhaul or redesign specs during an expansion. It happens all the time.

Edit: Prime example being what they plan to do to Shadow Priest in 10.1.

[Nightshade711]

Y’all are gonna be disappointed when 10.1 launches and Evokers/Dracthyr get nothing

[Makorus]

I felt that "tanking" with the Dark Apothesis Warlock was a lot of fun in MoP. Being able to tank with ranged spells really gives you the feeling of a god. It's quite entertaining. Having a true tank being able to do that will bring a lot to the tanking role, even if a lot of people don't want to tank.

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We're talking about balancing a new spec, not breaking the light-speed barrier. Yeah its not something they've ever done before, but it isn't like they don't constantly overhaul or redesign specs during an expansion. It happens all the time.

Edit: Prime example being what they plan to do to Shadow Priest in 10.1.

I mean, Ret Paladin got a huge redesign as well.

[Teriz]

Y’all are gonna be disappointed when 10.1 launches and Evokers/Dracthyr get nothing

There's a whole lot of smoke here for there to be no fire.

Just saying.

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I mean, Ret Paladin got a huge redesign as well.

Quite true.

[Gorsameth]

There's a whole lot of smoke here for there to be no fire.

Just saying.

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Quite true.

Call me when we have spells and a talent tree...

[kenn9530]

The plot thickens....

Yeah, at this point the only thing working against this being a new specialization is Blizzard never having introduced a new specialization mid-expansion before, and that's a pretty weak thing to hang your hat on.

I suppose the other thing is the fact that Blizzard supposedly said that Evokers can't be tanks and they don't want anymore melee, yet the tank spec is really the only spec that makes sense. The only other option would be to pull a shaman and make a melee DPS spec, which really doesn't fit the class. That means that you make a caster tank along the same lines as the Dark Apothesis Warlock from MoP and WoD, which was literally an ability away from being a viable tank. A caster tank would fit both the class, the talents, and the black dragon theme. Also as @paxen stated, it would be very good for raid groups.

you are just projecting, a tank spec does not make any sense for a magic caster class/race, black dragonflight is just earth spells mostly and shamans who also use earth type magic are not tanks, just face reality you are not getting a tank evoker and it makes no sense for them to be one anyway, caster tanks just simply dont work in WoW the gameplay mechanics would need to be completely redesigned for a ranged tank to be even remotely possible.

[Teriz]

you are just projecting, a tank spec does not make any sense for a magic caster class/race, black dragonflight is just earth spells mostly and shamans who also use earth type magic are not tanks, just face reality you are not getting a tank evoker and it makes no sense for them to be one anyway, caster tanks just simply dont work in WoW the gameplay mechanics would need to be completely redesigned for a ranged tank to be even remotely possible.

See Dark Apotheosis Warlock circa MoP. It was a caster tank that worked just fine. The only reason it wasn't raid worthy was because it didn't have a critical damage modifier that other tanks had to deal with crit damage from bosses. Blizzard purposely kept that aspect back because they didn't feel that a glyph should allow you to be a completely different spec.

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Call me when we have spells and a talent tree...

We're going to get something.

The point is that in WoW, New Specialization means New Specialization. If there's an Evoker quest that says "New Specialization Remembered" there's only a few things it can mean.

[kenn9530]

See Dark Apotheosis Warlock circa MoP. It was a caster tank that worked just fine. The only reason it wasn't raid worthy was because it didn't have a critical damage modifier that other tanks had to deal with crit damage from bosses. Blizzard purposely kept that aspect back because they didn't feel that a glyph should allow you to be a completely different spec.

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We're going to get something.

The point is that in WoW, New Specialization means New Specialization.

It was a gimmick not something that was actually used other than messing around, caster tanks just dont work they never have because the game is not designed that way.

There is not going to be a new spec at all for evoker not this expansion, they have their hands full with the paladin rework and getting a new patch up and running so adding in another spec is very unlikely, the only spec that could be easily added is another ranged dps/healer build.

[Teriz]

It was a gimmick not something that was actually used other than messing around, caster tanks just dont work they never have because the game is not designed that way.

It was only a gimmick because it lacked a single ability. In every other aspect it worked just fine.

There is not going to be a new spec at all for evoker not this expansion, they have their hands full with the paladin rework and getting a new patch up and running so adding in another spec is very unlikely, the only spec that could be easily added is another ranged dps/healer build.

Now who's projecting?

[kenn9530]

It was only a gimmick because it lacked a single ability. In every other aspect it worked just fine.



No who's projecting?

It lacked more than just one ability, it didnt work just fine at all, it was just a gimmick to mess around doing solo content.

You are projecting saying it must be a tank spec, there is no other option other than tank spec when in reality they wont put in another spec at all.

[Makorus]

Damn, I love the selective believing of datamined stuff in the WoW community.

[Teriz]

It lacked more than just one ability, it didnt work just fine at all, it was just a gimmick to mess around doing solo content.

What else did it lack?

You are projecting saying it must be a tank spec, there is no other option other than tank spec when in reality they wont put in another spec at all.

Like I said IF there is a new spec coming for Evokers, tanking makes the most sense for the multitude of reasons I laid out. If you don’t think ANY new spec is coming, then why are you concerned about what that potential spec could be?

[Jester Joe]

We're talking about balancing a new spec, not breaking the light-speed barrier. Yeah its not something they've ever done before, but it isn't like they don't constantly overhaul or redesign specs during an expansion. It happens all the time.

Edit: Prime example being what they plan to do to Shadow Priest in 10.1.

They don't though.
This is the first time I can recall at least that we've got a rework on a level of Ret, and Blizzard straight up said they wanted to wait for a new expansion to do so but they decided ret couldn't wait that long.

They usually fiddle with numbers and some minor changes, and wait for expansions for a full rework

[Teriz]

They don't though.
This is the first time I can recall at least that we've got a rework on a level of Ret, and Blizzard straight up said they wanted to wait for a new expansion to do so but they decided ret couldn't wait that long.

They usually fiddle with numbers and some minor changes, and wait for expansions for a full rework

Shadow Priest is getting a huge overhaul in 10.1, and I do believe Mistweavers got pretty major reworks during MoP.

That said, if Blizzard always planned to release a third Evoker spec mid-expansion, there’s nothing really stopping them from doing it.

[czarek]

We're talking about balancing a new spec, not breaking the light-speed barrier. Yeah its not something they've ever done before, but it isn't like they don't constantly overhaul or redesign specs during an expansion. It happens all the time.

Edit: Prime example being what they plan to do to Shadow Priest in 10.1.

Rework actual spec and add brand new are two different stories. Really daubtful imo.

[Lolites]

someday in the future? doubt it but maybe
in 10.1? absolutely not, it would be huge feature that would definitely be mentioned among first things about the patch

more likely its some mistake in code, some bug, or remnant of something that might be planned but never got live