Diablo 4 is bad.

[kenn9530]

So with this level of reductionism of the entire genre then there's literally no difference between the dozens of games on offer rofl.

D4 has easier access to endgame, PoE is much more time investment to complete all the endgame and most dont even bother to complete maps let alone kill many of the bosses, last epoch also has fairly easy access to endgame, many players like a game they can get to endgame in a reasonable amount of time without jumping through extra hoops like PoE has.

[Arikara]

That's pretty arrogant to think that you are in my mind period. Why do you think I let you have the last word during the previous exchange? Because it's important to you, the guy who thinks people are angry, strange, haters, etc. Besides, you keep stating false information all the time, why would I care if you suddenly stopped now...

Very well said. This person is a delusional waste of time; no reason to bother.

[kenn9530]

Games compete over the limited time their potential players have to spend gaming. D4 isn't competing with 2013 PoE because 2013 PoE is not a potential game for me to spend my gaming time on.

I'm playing present day PoE or I'm playing present day D4. Those are the options (and obv any other game).

Both games attract different types of players, there is also nothing stopping players from playing both, but many actually prefer diablo over PoE just D3 never really added new content so the content wouldnt last more than a few weeks for many.

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It literally is content. Someone has to make it. You have to write it out on the progress meeting, assign work, make it and pass it along to the next team. The top of a DD/T says, "Content". Like that is the literal header.

Content is any operation or interaction point.

You wouldnt be happy if a game was adding in even 100 new monsters and thats it for a season, that is not content no matter how much you seem to think so, it doesnt give the player anything extra to do, content is giving the player something extra to do that they didnt have before, like exploring a new area, finishing a dungeon, playing a new class, not occasionally seeing a new monster for 1 sec before it dies.

[Fencers]

You wouldnt be happy if a game was adding in even 100 new monsters and thats it for a season

Personally, I would!

I love having a large variety of enemies. I always pushed for each monster to be distinctive or have some element to their design that made them stand out on any project I worked on; Runes of Magic, DC Legends, Mad Max, and Yakuza Like a Dragon.

This was often rejected because it was too much content. Too much work.

that is not content no matter how much you seem to think so

I am not giving an opinion. I am telling you that factually you are wrong.

If someone has to make it, it is content. Games are made by people.

it doesnt give the player anything extra to do, content is giving the player something extra to do that they didnt have before, like exploring a new area, finishing a dungeon, playing a new class, not occasionally seeing a new monster for 1 sec before it dies.

Again, this is your personal opinion. Which is nice to know- but you are talking about expression. The play experience of content. Not the interaction points that define content in game development. Which I rightly question Rhykker's claim.

I don't want to go off-topic here. Have a nice day.

[Tonkaden]

Its simple if they dont add in things like a new class, new gameplay systems then its not actually content, we can compare similar games to what they had at thier first season and PoE didnt add any new content at all, having players race through the same content as before with a few mobs is not new content, the first season in most ARPGs are not there to actually add in new content its just to start the actual game.

ARPG gameplay doesnt change regardless of what season mechanic it is, you make a build you get gear you do certain things to improve that build and decide if you want to complete endgame stuff, that is the core of ARPG gameplay and doesnt change.

Is this post real life?

New gameplay systems and new classes are tools that DRIVE the content. Those systems enable you to do said content.

[Delekii]

Simplying saying it doesn't actually make it true. How often you use that as a blanket rebuttal shows that you don't really understand what it means or what an actual strawman is.

Content creators can make money off of anything. A medicore review/coverage can still sell clicks. Either way they are making money by getting viewers. Praise, neutral, or hate towards a subject can still get them views. Do some pander to whatever will get them the most ad revenue? Sure. I didn't just accuse you of gatekeeping. You actually did gate keep. You said certain people's "opinions are worth essentially nothing". It again shows that you don't know what strawman is. You used those words and now you backtrack and won't stand by them for whatever reason.

People are most certainly moving goal posts. It went from "its their job they can't be trusted" to "nothing matters because future gameplay hasn't been reviewed yet" and next it will be something else. You yourself keep changing and backtracking. There is always another reason waiting around the corner when an earlier one was debunked. Just like now you are moving them back to me arguing as an issue when you are doing the exact same thing. Yet you are good and I'm bad.

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Would you rather I keep using false information? Lmao. Let it go. Don't let strangers online live rent free in your head.

It being true is what makes it true.

Your modus operandi is to modify the argument of the person you are rebutting, usually by extrapolating it far past the point it could ever reasonably be taken from the context it was presented in, and then argue against that newly defined, non existent argument.

Modifying someone else's argument into something it was not and then rebutting that new, nonexistent argument is the definition of a strawman. If you don't believe that is what you do you need to take a serious look at your post history.

[rhorle]

Modifying someone else's argument into something it was not and then rebutting that new, nonexistent argument is the definition of a strawman. If you don't believe that is what you do you need to take a serious look at your post history.

So exactly what you are doing by constantly turning to post history and strawman ad nauseam. You are the one that called a certain subset of reviewers as worth essentially nothing. You denied it. Your own post history says it is true regardless of your obsession with my post history. You always revert to attacking me. Strange, right?

[HeatBlast]

Jesus Christ.

new audio CD costed ALL 20 bucks, regardless they lasted 30 minutes, 90 minutes and regardless music inside was shitty or a masterpiece.

Movies costed 10 bucks, regardless the movie having a D rating or an A+ rating.

Fokkin non indie videogames, being them on Pc or console, always cost roughly the same. Why on fokkin earth Blizzard’s games should cost less than the others?

WHY? This entire point is non sense. You don’t think it’s worth it? JUST DONT BUY IT.

A lot of games out there are worth no more than 10 bucks for me, they cost 70, surprise, I don’t buy them.

This argument makes no sense.

Go off on random strawmen champ, hope you feel better now. Hopefully you read my post next time.

[yasiru]

I mean you did out of blue comment about me to another person and implied you were offended that I didn't apologize to you. That is rent free. If you are letting me have the last word why are you responding? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? It is strange how I'm the bad guy but you are the one getting offended that I first used wrong info and then again when I used correct info.

Just because I actually have a decent memory doesn't mean you are dwelling on my mind. Yes, for once you are actually correct about one thing, I mentioned you in a reply to someone else who was complaining about you. But don't start thinking you are very smart or analytical as I did not imply you offended me. I actually find you funny at times and sad at others. For someone who likes to argue semantics, as in yes you said D4 had depth but didn't state how much depth, I can hope that you see the irony here as I stopped replying to you about your insane idea that I was totally against Mtx. That doesn't mean I need to stop replying to you completely, though at this point it's not that much fun any more. You aren't very bright. Everyone could see that when the other member stated he looked through your post history and couldn't find a reply you made where you weren't arguing with someone. He was not looking through your history to FIND something to argue about with you. If you took a moment to stop and think instead of coming up with a new way to disagree with someone maybe you'd realize it but I don't have high hopes. Hell, you sent me a private message quite some time ago just to argue with me. You probably don't even remember because you are too busy arguing with everyone else.

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Huh? That is exactly how games are made. Some content really impacts the game while other content does not. Developers pick and choose what content they put time and effort on and it isn't always high-value stuff. Not of high value to You are both in disagreement on what value different types of content have.

Don't start a dumb argument with Fencers. With me is one thing, but she will chew you up and spit you out...

[rhorle]

Hell, you sent me a private message quite some time ago just to argue with me. You probably don't even remember because you are too busy arguing with everyone else.

You say I'm not living rent free in your head yet you bring up a private message from 2018. The hilarious part is it answered your question where you asked for me to show you a post where I don't just argue. I showed you two quotes that were not argumentative. I also told you earlier in this thread that there is depth to Diablo 4 but it isn't as much as some other games. Yet another swing and a miss.

Let it go. I'm not worth getting so triggered over, right?