Why the constant nerf to BM?

[Nalam the Venom]

Hey.

I play M+ and i don't have the Raz bow, Could we please stop nerfing the class based on the 0.1% of players ?

BM is not that great outside of the raid or without the special bow.

[Nosnogard]

Hey.

I play M+ and i don't have the Raz bow, Could we please stop nerfing the class based on the 0.1% of players ?

BM is not that great outside of the raid or without the special bow.

Weren't hunters buffed as a result of the bow being nerfed/fixed?

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...uning-changes/

[LordVargK]

Because BM hunters overperform at all percentiles?

Just look at the logs.

[Eapoe]

Because BM hunters overperform at all percentiles?

Just look at the logs.

Just because I’m lazy, im only looking at mythic raiding.
Eranog=not one BM Hunter, or Hunter in general, in top 100.
Terros=mix of specs, but big portion showing BM, which is to be expected as it’s a ST focused spec that’s highly mobile.
Primal Council=not 1 BM Hunter. Only Hunter spec is MM, which is to be expected based on its AoE focus. Mostly dominated by Boomkins.
Sennarth=18 BM hunters. 1st one not until 18th place.
Dathea=6 BM hunters in top 100. 1st at place 45.
Kurog=not 1 Hunter in top 100.
Broodkeeper=not 1 in top 100.
Razzle Dazzle=2 in top 100.

Now, these are obviously the top logs, but considering these are the logs of ppl playing to the best of their ability, typically with externals to help their numbers, but I’d hardly say BM dominates.

[loras]

Hey.

I play M+ and i don't have the Raz bow, Could we please stop nerfing the class based on the 0.1% of players ?

BM is not that great outside of the raid or without the special bow.

Haven't had the bow either, dps is really rather excellent still.
3%? *shrugs*


Also it's a easy to learn easy to master specc, don't expect magic or all the world would pick it.

[Jester Joe]

Haven't had the bow either, dps is really rather excellent still.
3%? *shrugs*


Also it's a easy to learn easy to master specc, don't expect magic or all the world would pick it.

Ease of rotation should never be a factor in how much dps they can do, and it pretty clearly hasnt been for a while considering the state havoc was in for a while

[Caprias]

Ease of rotation should never be a factor in how much dps they can do, and it pretty clearly hasnt been for a while considering the state havoc was in for a while

Being able to do everything on the move as a ranged class however should absolutely be in balancing considerations.

[Jester Joe]

Being able to do everything on the move as a ranged class however should absolutely be in balancing considerations.

I mean when like 60-75% is tied behind trusting pet ai? I think there's already ample punishment there.

[Nalam the Venom]

Weren't hunters buffed as a result of the bow being nerfed/fixed?

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...uning-changes/

they have already nerfed away that buff.

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Because BM hunters overperform at all percentiles?

Just look at the logs.

This is exactly what my thread is about tho.

All you care about is your 0.1% raid team performance.

Stop balancing classes around that.

[ONCHEhap]

Just because I’m lazy, im only looking at mythic raiding.
Eranog=not one BM Hunter, or Hunter in general, in top 100.
Terros=mix of specs, but big portion showing BM, which is to be expected as it’s a ST focused spec that’s highly mobile.
Primal Council=not 1 BM Hunter. Only Hunter spec is MM, which is to be expected based on its AoE focus. Mostly dominated by Boomkins.
Sennarth=18 BM hunters. 1st one not until 18th place.
Dathea=6 BM hunters in top 100. 1st at place 45.
Kurog=not 1 Hunter in top 100.
Broodkeeper=not 1 in top 100.
Razzle Dazzle=2 in top 100.

Now, these are obviously the top logs, but considering these are the logs of ppl playing to the best of their ability, typically with externals to help their numbers, but I’d hardly say BM dominates.

In case anyone needed anymore evidence that WoW players have no clue how to look at logs, here's some more for you

[TbouncerT]

Just because I’m lazy, im only looking at mythic raiding.
Eranog=not one BM Hunter, or Hunter in general, in top 100.
Terros=mix of specs, but big portion showing BM, which is to be expected as it’s a ST focused spec that’s highly mobile.
Primal Council=not 1 BM Hunter. Only Hunter spec is MM, which is to be expected based on its AoE focus. Mostly dominated by Boomkins.
Sennarth=18 BM hunters. 1st one not until 18th place.
Dathea=6 BM hunters in top 100. 1st at place 45.
Kurog=not 1 Hunter in top 100.
Broodkeeper=not 1 in top 100.
Razzle Dazzle=2 in top 100.

Now, these are obviously the top logs, but considering these are the logs of ppl playing to the best of their ability, typically with externals to help their numbers, but I’d hardly say BM dominates.

This is one of the worst takes ever

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In case anyone needed anymore evidence that WoW players have no clue how to look at logs, here's some more for you

haha you beat me to it

[LordVargK]

This is exactly what my thread is about tho.

All you care about is your 0.1% raid team performance.

Stop balancing classes around that.

Exactly the opposite.
BM isn't OP in mythic raids and in high percentiles. But it is strong, arguably too strong, when played in lower difficulties and by players with less skill.
This balance change was made purely for medium-skill players.

[arandomuser]

these current tuning looks aimed at 10.1
unholy is really good right now espec on boss dmg
but in 10.1 it looks not as good with no puzzle box equiv+ 10.1 set bonus is a noticeable downgrade from current tier, so unholy buffs are probably really only targeted at next tier, probably doing them to test the waters instead before the race
perhaps on BM they think it will scale too high in 10.1 and not necessarily indicative how they think they are doing in vault as its almost the end

[Caprias]

they have already nerfed away that buff.

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This is exactly what my thread is about tho.

All you care about is your 0.1% raid team performance.

Stop balancing classes around that.

You can very easily argue that while you shouldn't design the game for the 1% you have to balance for them.
If something is a bit imbalanced at a lower level it will still be playable due to the easier content, if something is imbalanced at the top however it will be unplayable no matter the effort a player puts in.

It's also unlikely that the differences at a mid level would be that high with a top down approach, the other way around however...

[Eapoe]

In case anyone needed anymore evidence that WoW players have no clue how to look at logs, here's some more for you

Explain. The person claimed BM over performs at every percentile. I looked at the top 100 logs for mythic raiding and it clearly shows they do not dominate.

[nbk2011]

It's pretty obvious why they nerfed it, 90% of hunters are BM right now and why is that? There used to be some MM hunters but now everyone rerolled to BM due to how strong and versatile they are in ST and multi target as well. Just run an heroic voti Pug and you'll see BM hunters topping charts pretty consistently. The bow doesn't even matter anymore, the buffs they received were over tuned and now they're bringing it down a notch.

Top 100 parse for BM hunters on Terros are ALL over 100k (some slightly below) while MM has only 2 parses doing 100k and the rest are average 85k. This is your answer.

[trapmaster]

cuz it's dead brain spec with barely any efforts. No skill... just.. send ur pet and do the damage and keep up stacks. Lol? what the fuck so hard about it anymore? LMAO

[loras]

Ease of rotation should never be a factor in how much dps they can do, and it pretty clearly hasnt been for a while considering the state havoc was in for a while

Hmm, i disagree on that one.
Playing poorly and playing well should be a factor for all, especially due to the dire repercussions in pvp.
"Easy to do" tends to translate to "hard to counter" in pvp after all.

And in pve too it simply frees up "bandwith" of attention so that mechanics can be better dealt with, thus allowing them to supplement their throughput in ways not necessarily reflected in flat numbers.

[mmocfd1b0ab5a3]

cuz it's dead brain spec with barely any efforts. No skill... just.. send ur pet and do the damage and keep up stacks. Lol? what the fuck so hard about it anymore? LMAO

Well its just as braindead as other specs in the game so it's not that.

Warlock? throw dots and watch the boss melt or just spam chaos bolt
Mage? Just spam fireball and sometimes pyro
the list goes on.

[Eapoe]

This is one of the worst takes ever

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haha you beat me to it

Like I posted to the other person, feel free to explain. I responded to someone who said they dominate in every aspect at every percentile. I looked up mythic raiding, specifically looking at top 100 parses, and it clearly shows they aren’t dominating at every percentile.

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cuz it's dead brain spec with barely any efforts. No skill... just.. send ur pet and do the damage and keep up stacks. Lol? what the fuck so hard about it anymore? LMAO

By this hot take, Aff Lock is even more brain dead than BM. Send your dots and do the damage, keep up casts in between. At least with Hunter, it’s active dot management in this comparison as you trigger when it does its big dot damage.
But yeah, as someone else posted to you, it’s not like there’s much in the way of complex specs out there at the moment. I know ppl like to meme about BM being brain dead simple, and it is very simple, but so are so many other specs in both rdps and mdps.