I think making a support class is a recipe for disater.

[Biomega]

I mean I don’t think it could be TOO hard to implement.
Since most of Evoker’s buffs are flat damage buffs through stats. (Main stat & Vers)

Just have two different calculations for damage. One that would be “without the buff”, and then one “with the buff.”
Just attribute the difference between the two to the Evoker.

Though the crit buff would be harder to attribute. (But not the “abilities have a 15% change to echo”) one.

It's not impossible but it's a ton of work for fairly little benefit, and then as I said, other classes would cry for the same. That'd completely change the way combat logs work, and significantly increase the load on the server if you keep on doubling up on calculations. This is just not going to happen.

[jeezusisacasual]

What are you disagreeing with?

Disagreeing with the idea that pulsing damage is the best way forward, the reward for being better at avoiding damage should be to not take the damage allowing the healer to provide support in the form of DPS.

[Utrrabbit]

100% agree. FFXI and to a lesser degree 14 show this - support classes are either utterly mandatory or worthless. A DPS / tank amp allows you to bring a source of lust while amplifying the already absurd delta between top and bottom dps/tank specs, making the best even better relative to the worst.

It's a _really_ bad move to bring in a solitary support soec unless they are planning to leave it underpowered until they make more.

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It is absolutely, unequivocally NOT more balanced than it ever has been. I'm not sure we've had a time where a tank was more dominant than pld is right now, and there are massive dps outliers too.

It LITERALLY is more balanced now than it has ever been. Wtf are you on.

[Delekii]

It LITERALLY is more balanced now than it has ever been. Wtf are you on.

It LITERALLY is less balanced than it has been in atleast two expansions. Wtf are you on.

[Ashana Darkmoon]

Disagreeing with the idea that pulsing damage is the best way forward, the reward for being better at avoiding damage should be to not take the damage allowing the healer to provide support in the form of DPS.

Oh. Well the issue I have with this when I heal is that healer damage is super boring and not rewarding in the way a pure DPS is. Like the absolute damage difference between me doing everything possible to squeak out damage vs kinda half paying attention is essentially a few k dps. Meanwhile if you really juice it as a real DPS vs mismanage your CDs the difference is enormous, so it is satisfying because you can see the results of playing well.

I guess put another way, if most damage is going to be avoidable healers need way more fun tools to use their GCDs on. Even shaman, which imo is the most fun, is still mostly procs and chain lightning spam. And part of this is because so much of real DPS is about managing offensive CDs correctly, which healers don't really have.

[czarek]

It LITERALLY is less balanced than it has been in atleast two expansions. Wtf are you on.

It literally never been balanced well tbh

[jeezusisacasual]

Oh. Well the issue I have with this when I heal is that healer damage is super boring and not rewarding in the way a pure DPS is. Like the absolute damage difference between me doing everything possible to squeak out damage vs kinda half paying attention is essentially a few k dps. Meanwhile if you really juice it as a real DPS vs mismanage your CDs the difference is enormous, so it is satisfying because you can see the results of playing well.

I guess put another way, if most damage is going to be avoidable healers need way more fun tools to use their GCDs on. Even shaman, which imo is the most fun, is still mostly procs and chain lightning spam. And part of this is because so much of real DPS is about managing offensive CDs correctly, which healers don't really have.

I am attempting to learn to heal on a Shaman as an alt ( normally i am a 1 toon per patch kind of guy ) but with acid rain and storm keeper i can really burst very well and do fantastic damage ( granted it was an 8 last night but i finished at 23k with 15 kicks which is worth some kind of healing saved plus i have not figured a way to track the knock up for kicks either ). Alot of the damage taken increase stems from the fact that a few people and i mean sub .5% of all keys last seasons had been run by 4 dps and a prot paladin which i would assume where shamans / druids / spriest with their decent to solid group healing talents with damage.

[Ashana Darkmoon]

Unfortunately all healers also need the stupid Reach ring from now until eternity and it's more annoying to get now