Crypt Lord class now possible thanks to Dracthyr Evokers?

[Teriz]

Again, if such cosmetics can be apllied to elementals and humanoids like werebears and flame cats, then Crypt Lords can be a natural progression of cosmetics given that there is enough of a reason to.

You seem to be missing the fact that you're still dealing with bears and cats, which is why you got those forms.

We don't need examples.

So there are no examples....

Blizzard just has to make it happen.
Did we ever have examples of Druids using elemental beast forms before Cata? Humanoid forms before Legion? Dinosaur forms before BFA?

Elemental beasts, Humanoid beasts and prehistoric beasts.

See the pattern?

Same reason Tauren and Trolls and Gnomes don't have beautiful glamour forms. I mean, should they look like Elves too?

I didn't say beautiful or glamorous, I said attractive. Every race in WoW offers an attractive option for players to choose. Even the Forsaken has such options.

[Triceron]

You seem to be missing the fact that you're still dealing with bears and cats, which is why you got those forms.

Dinosaurs? Drust constructs? I literally mentioned those before, and you conveniently ignored it for this response.

So there are no examples....

Well, as soon as you can give me an example of a Crypt Fiend who turns into humanoid, I'd be glad to give you an example of a Druid capable of turning into a Crypt Lord.

We're talking about possibilities of what could happen, what examples are you actually looking for?

The likelyhood of both our concepts are pretty low. The only thing going for customizations is Blizzard seems actually interested in developing more moving forward, like the recent Imp glyphs and Ion expressing interest in community concepts for customizations in a recent Korean interview. I've not seen anything remotely related to Crypt Lord waifus and Azjol Nerub expansion with a new class. This thread is a first for many things.

Elemental beasts, Humanoid beasts and prehistoric beasts.

See the pattern?

Yes, an increasing amount of different types of creatures that Druids that become, none constrained by 'Nature' or actually being Beast type.

I didn't say beautiful or glamorous, I said attractive.

I don't see HOTS giving Anub'arak the waifu treatment. Crypt Lords look fine the way they are.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Toss them out there as a customization alongside Forsaken Druids. Its popularity will speak for itself.

[Teriz]

Dinosaurs? Drust constructs? I literally mentioned those before, and you conveniently ignored it for this response.

Yeah, those are also beasts. Albeit KT is a nature/beast combo, a wicker bear is still just a bear.

Well, as soon as you can give me an example of a Crypt Fiend who turns into humanoid, I'd be glad to give you an example of a Druid capable of turning into a Crypt Lord.

We're talking about possibilities of what could happen, what examples are you actually looking for?

The likelyhood of both our concepts are pretty low. The only thing going for customizations is Blizzard seems actually interested in developing more moving forward, like the recent Imp glyphs and Ion expressing interest in community concepts for customizations in a recent Korean interview. I've not seen anything remotely related to Crypt Lord waifus and Azjol Nerub expansion with a new class. This thread is a first for many things.

The chances of an Azjol-Nerub expansion with a new class are considerably higher than the chances of Blizzard giving Forsaken Druids and a Crypt Lord form. IF Forsaken get Druids, they’re going to get a cat and a bear and a mooonkin like everyone else.

Yes, an increasing amount of different types of creatures that Druids that become, none constrained by 'Nature' or actually being Beast type.

You seem to have confused “We’re giving races more class options” with “Every race gets every class”. Blizzard has never even hinted at the latter.

I don't see HOTS giving Anub'arak the waifu treatment. Crypt Lords look fine the way they are.

HotS doesn’t have the same restraints that WoW has. For example, we got Dracthyr instead of building-sized dragons. In this case, you have to give Crypt Lords a way to fit within the playable race structure. Dracthyr paved the way.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Toss them out there as a customization alongside Forsaken Druids. Its popularity will speak for itself.

Again, Forsaken Druids (if they ever get Druids) wouldn’t get the customization. They’d get a bear, cat, and a Moonkin. Probably colored grey with bones poking through.

[Vaedan]

But they wouldn’t have any undead abilities. It would all be Druid abilities.

They will most likely be druids who lean more into Death part of the Cycle, same way as Thornspeakers do. Nature is both Life and Death, as we found out in Ardenweald.

Also, in Hearthstone, Death druids (Lich King expansion) control insects. If we go to WoW directly, Ardenweald, a Death realm for nature beign, is full of insects.

It makes sense to Undead druids to be inspired in this and has insect forms.

[Teriz]

They will most likely be druids who lean more into Death part of the Cycle, same way as Thornspeakers do. Nature is both Life and Death, as we found out in Ardenweald.

Also, in Hearthstone, Death druids (Lich King expansion) control insects. If we go to WoW directly, Ardenweald, a Death realm for nature beign, is full of insects.

It makes sense to Undead druids to be inspired in this and has insect forms.

Not if the insect forms can’t be backed up with appropriate abilities and gameplay. If Blizzard wants to give players a “ Druid of the Swarm” experience, they’ll do something akin to my concept, because the Druid class can’t house the proper playstyle.

[Nymrohd]

They will most likely be druids who lean more into Death part of the Cycle, same way as Thornspeakers do. Nature is both Life and Death, as we found out in Ardenweald.

Also, in Hearthstone, Death druids (Lich King expansion) control insects. If we go to WoW directly, Ardenweald, a Death realm for nature beign, is full of insects.

It makes sense to Undead druids to be inspired in this and has insect forms.

It could work but it would need some kind of foreshadowing. Built it up a little. Instead we will just get Forsaken Druids and one NPC about them explaining what they are when they actually make it happen.

[Vaedan]

Not if the insect forms can’t be backed up with appropriate abilities and gameplay. If Blizzard wants to give players a “ Druid of the Swarm” experience, they’ll do something akin to my concept, because the Druid class can’t house the proper playstyle.

Well, why exactly can't undead druids house that playstyle?
On the contrary, I can't really see a Crypt Lord class coming. They are not relevant to the story anymore, they does not have marketable character going on expansion covers and after Shadowlands and Wrath of the Lich King, I don't see a Death themed expansion anytime soon.

On the other hand, it is confirmed that class/race combos are gojng to be expanded. We've seen this trend since launch of DF, with rogues, mages, priests, monks and warlocks expanded to all races. It is clear that non-hero classes are to be unlocked.

[Triceron]

Yeah, those are also beasts. Albeit KT is a nature/beast combo, a wicker bear is still just a bear.

Yes, deliberately so. They double down on the bear and cat talents, that is inescapable.

Customizations are a different thing altogether. I'm not saying Forsaken Druid would get Crypt Lord customizations out of the box, rather they would be the lynch pin to open up to potential Crypt Lord customizations, much like how Legion frontloaded armored and spirit bear skins, with the werebear being a premo unlockable customization.

The chances of an Azjol-Nerub expansion with a new class are considerably higher than the chances of Blizzard giving Forsaken Druids and a Crypt Lord form. IF Forsaken get Druids, they’re going to get a cat and a bear and a mooonkin like everyone else.

Customizations are already being looked at. More Race class combos are being looked at.

Where are the hints at an Azjol Nerub expansion? Who is the posterboy hero for this new class? Some rando sexy female spiderlady?

You seem to have confused “We’re giving races more class options” with “Every race gets every class”. Blizzard has never even hinted at the latter.

Interesting that you think it stops at Warlock.

HotS doesn’t have the same restraints that WoW has. For example, we got Dracthyr instead of building-sized dragons. In this case, you have to give Crypt Lords a way to fit within the playable race structure. Dracthyr paved the way.

Yes, as a customization option for an existing class. As an unlockable cosmetic.

Dark Ranger paved the way

[Teriz]

Well, why exactly can't undead druids house that playstyle?

Because Druids don't have Crypt Lord abilities or insect-based abilities in general. Celestial and abilities where you sprout flowers doesn't really fit the playstyle.

On the contrary, I can't really see a Crypt Lord class coming. They are not relevant to the story anymore, they does not have marketable character going on expansion covers and after Shadowlands and Wrath of the Lich King, I don't see a Death themed expansion anytime soon.

If we end up in an Azjol Nerub expansion, I could easily see something like this on the cover;



I also don't see this coming anytime soon, but it could easily pop up in the future. WoW isn't ending anytime soon, and WoW will need new races and classes. This fits the bill nicely for such an expansion concept.

EDIT: Oh look, someone already beat me to it;



Looks good to me.

On the other hand, it is confirmed that class/race combos are gojng to be expanded. We've seen this trend since launch of DF, with rogues, mages, priests, monks and warlocks expanded to all races. It is clear that non-hero classes are to be unlocked.

Again, classes getting expanded =/= every race getting every class

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Yes, deliberately so. They double down on the bear and cat talents, that is inescapable.

Customizations are a different thing altogether. I'm not saying Forsaken Druid would get Crypt Lord customizations out of the box, rather they would be the lynch pin to open up to potential Crypt Lord customizations, much like how Legion frontloaded armored and spirit bear skins, with the werebear being a premo unlockable customization.

Yes and like those, it'll just be variations on the standard Bear and Cat forms just like the legion variations. Nerubian forms wouldn't really work with those concepts.

Customizations are already being looked at. More Race class combos are being looked at.

I'm sure, but none of that leads to a Crypt Lord customization for Druids.

Where are the hints at an Azjol Nerub expansion?

Blizzard stating that after Zalarek Caverns, they wanted to do more underground zones, which hints at underground continents like Azjol Nerub and Undermine.

Who is the posterboy hero for this new class?

Some rando sexy female spiderlady?

The character for the new class will be some new character, just like Emberthal is for Evokers. Doesn't need to be a sexy spider lady, they could look like this;



Though attractive males and females should be an option as well.

Interesting that you think it stops at Warlock.

It probably will, since Paladin, Shaman, DHs, Evokers, and Druids require race specific attributes.

Yes, as a customization option for an existing class. As an unlockable cosmetic.

Dark Ranger paved the way

The difference is that Dark Rangers fit easily in the Hunter class. Crypt Lords don't fit the Druid class.

[Vaedan]

Because Druids don't have Crypt Lord abilities or insect-based abilities in general. Celestial and abilities where you sprout flowers doesn't really fit the playstyle.

Celestial and flower sprouting abilities does not fit Drust or dinosaurs at all as well, but it did not stop Blizzard from making wicker and dinosaur forms for Kul Tirans and Zandalari.

Also, druids have Adaptive Swarm ability already and they did have Insect Swarm ability in past... But my point is not about whole class kit, only about insect-themed shapeshift forms for Undead druids, which would give something unique to this combo and would go well with a concept of druid centered more around Death part of the Great Cycle. Also Hearthstone Undead druids seem to work with insects pretty well too.


https://hearthstone.fandom.com/wiki/Druid_of_the_Swarm

If we ever get class skins, then Insect druid would be great candidate.

On the other hand, Crypt Lord class concept feels rather narrow and without much possibilities. It is cool theme, but don't feel as really robust to carry whole class.

Again, classes getting expanded =/= every class getting every race

So far, it really seems that non hero classes are being opened to all races. Now, with warlocks being open to Lightforged Draenei, there is little reason against Undead druids honestly. I think they will now go with paladins and shamans first, since they require less work implementing.

The only classes which I think will take longest to unlock among multiple races are demon hunters and evokers.

[Teriz]

Celestial and flower sprouting abilities does not fit Drust or dinosaurs at all as well, but it did not stop Blizzard from making wicker and dinosaur forms for Kul Tirans and Zandalari.

Sure it does, because that's all nature and beasts. Wicker stuff is merely based on wiccan concepts, and celestial and flower junk definitely coincides with Wicca. As for Dinosaurs;



Nature and plants/flowers fit right in.

Also, druids have Adaptive Swarm ability already and they did have Insect Swarm ability in past... But my point is not about whole class kit, only about insect-themed shapeshift forms for Undead druids, which would give something unique to this combo and would go well with a concept of druid centered more around Death part of the Great Cycle. Also Hearthstone Undead druids seem to work with insects pretty well too.

You do that by giving them undead bear or cat forms. Not Crypt Lord forms which have their own set of abilities. You also don't give them insect forms because that requires unique animations and the expectation will be that these models have insect abilities.

Also I believe with those forms you start drifting into Druid of the Nightmare territory.

If we ever get class skins, then Insect druid would be great candidate.

On the other hand, Crypt Lord class concept feels rather narrow and without much possibilities. It is cool theme, but don't feel as really robust to carry whole class.

Really? Between Crypt Lord WC3, Anub Arak HotS you're looking at about dozen abilities. You could easily add Venomancer, and Mantid to the mix as well, since the entire design space for a class utilizing insectoid abilities is wide open.

So far, it really seems that non hero classes are being opened to all races. Now, with warlocks being open to Lightforged Draenei, there is little reason against Undead druids honestly. I think they will now go with paladins and shamans first, since they require less work implementing.

The only classes which I think will take longest to unlock among multiple races are demon hunters and evokers.

Druids would be an issue because you have to make unique forms for each race. That would take a considerable amount of time, and some races simply don't line up with Druid lore, like the Forsaken.

[Vaedan]

Sure it does, because that's all nature and beasts. Wicker stuff is merely based on wiccan concepts, and celestial and flower junk definitely coincides with Wicca. As for Dinosaurs;



Nature and plants/flowers fit right in.



You do that by giving them undead bear or cat forms. Not Crypt Lord forms which have their own set of abilities. You also don't give them insect forms because that requires unique animations and the expectation will be that these models have insect abilities.

Also I believe with those forms you start drifting into Druid of the Nightmare territory.




Really? Between Crypt Lord WC3, Anub Arak HotS you're looking at about dozen abilities. You could easily add Venomancer, and Mantid to the mix as well, since the entire design space for a class utilizing insectoid abilities is wide open.



Druids would be an issue because you have to make unique forms for each race. That would take a considerable amount of time, and some races simply don't line up with Druid lore, like the Forsaken.

Well, insects are part of nature as well, so it is the same as saying that dinomancers affecting plants, because they are part of nature. Do you even realize that plants are more dependent on insects then lizards?

If you give druids glyphs that turns roots to web, cyclone to coccoon and sunfire to Insect swarm, that you basicaly just covered most of unique kit that we've seen on nerubians? Also, as I said before, Hearthstone (which you often use as source of inspiration for new class concepts) connects druids and insects directly? WoW does so too, hence Adaptive Swarm ability.

As for druid forms... We have already seen that through glyphs, you can get pretty different forms to what you have as basic, most often on travel/flight forms. Also Legion and allied race forms started with more special forms, so the trend is set.

I agree that druid will be most complicated class to unlock. As I said, I assume paladin and shaman will come first, but at this point, I think it is more likely that we will see druids for all races than not.

[Nightshade711]

Do we have an example of Druids shapeshifting into undead creatures? I'm pretty sure that's a no-no within Druidism, and more than likely not possible, since undead isn't nature. Death is, undeath is not.

Did we have examples of Lightforged Draenei (or any being that worships/is infused with the light) using Fel magic and summoning demons… or using the void/shadow magic?

Yet here we are with Lightforged Warlocks and Shadow Priests.

You do that by giving them undead bear or cat forms. Not Crypt Lord forms which have their own set of abilities. You also don't give them insect forms because that requires unique animations and the expectation will be that these models have insect abilities.

They can have insect forms that still use the same skeletons. Like the Zandlari Druids that still use the same skeletons but are all dinosaurs. Like the “bear” form is a turtle.
Which we don’t have “turtle” or “dinosaur” special abilities for Zandalari Druids special models.

Also I believe with those forms you start drifting into Druid of the Nightmare territory.

We already have Druid of the nightmare bear/cat forms.

Literally called “incarnation of the nightmare” in the barber shop.


Called “fallen to the nightmare” in the barber shop.
The list goes on with the nightmare themed skins for balance & resto Druid artifacts… and the Druid of the nightmare themed transmog you can get…

[Teriz]

Well, insects are part of nature as well, so it is the same as saying that dinomancers affecting plants, because they are part of nature. Do you even realize that plants are more dependent on insects then lizards?

Well no, since we're talking about Nerubians. Nerubians are Aqir, which means they actually were spawned by the Old Gods, so like the faceless ones, they're not nature.

If you give druids glyphs that turns roots to web, cyclone to coccoon and sunfire to Insect swarm, that you basicaly just covered most of unique kit that we've seen on nerubians? Also, as I said before, Hearthstone (which you often use as source of inspiration for new class concepts) connects druids and insects directly? WoW does so too, hence Adaptive Swarm ability.

No, because Nerubians can burrow, spawn spiders/beetles, send spikes through the ground, and have poison abilities. Three altered abilities doesn't change that, and whatever immersion will be instantly broken the minute you use stuff like Galactic Guardian, Maim, Barksin, Regrowth, or other druidic spells.

As for druid forms... We have already seen that through glyphs, you can get pretty different forms to what you have as basic, most often on travel/flight forms. Also Legion and allied race forms started with more special forms, so the trend is set.

I agree that druid will be most complicated class to unlock. As I said, I assume paladin and shaman will come first, but at this point, I think it is more likely that we will see druids for all races than not.

Which is fine, but the notion that Forsaken would get Crypt Lord forms, or even insect forms is a pipe dream. More than likely, its going to be a tainted bear and cat. You won't get something as elaborate as a Crypt Lord. A model like that would be reserved for a class.

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Did we have examples of Lightforged Draenei (or any being that worships/is infused with the light) using Fel magic and summoning demons… or using the void/shadow magic?

Yeah, we also had Lightforged DKs too. We're talking about classes, not races.

They can have insect forms that still use the same skeletons. Like the Zandlari Druids that still use the same skeletons but are all dinosaurs. Like the “bear” form is a turtle.
Which we don’t have “turtle” or “dinosaur” special abilities for Zandalari Druids special models.

Yeah, and it's just a redrawn Bear;



You do understand that the Crypt Lord is a completely different model right?



Six legs instead of 4 and massive wings under its carapace.

We already have Druid of the nightmare bear/cat forms.

Literally called “incarnation of the nightmare” in the barber shop.


Called “fallen to the nightmare” in the barber shop.
The list goes on with the nightmare themed skins for balance & resto Druid artifacts… and the Druid of the nightmare themed transmog you can get…

Which just gives more evidence that a Forsaken Druid will just get Bear and Cat forms.

[Nightshade711]

Yeah, we also had Lightforged DKs too. We're talking about classes, not races.

You were mentioning how Undeath for druids is a no-no, but blizzard clearly doesn’t care about that kinda stuff.

Yeah, and it's just a redrawn Bear;

You do understand that the Crypt Lord is a completely different model right?

Six legs instead of 4 and massive wings under its carapace.

Chances are blizzard would “redraw” the bear form into a crypt-lord inspired form.

Or who knows, blizzard has shown with Zandalari that they aren’t limiting Druid forms to specific skeletons because the Zandalari moonkin form is using the Arakkoa form.

There’s not a whole lot of animations that a form using the crypt lord skeleton would need for bear form. Just different versions of a melee attack which the crypt lords probably already have.
(Which is exactly what they did with the Werebear, Werecat, and Arakkoa forms)

Which just gives more evidence that a Forsaken Druid will just get Bear and Cat forms.

Huh?
Wouldn’t it just mean that your argument of “oh no insect forms are nightmare” is invalid? Since we’ve already got nightmare forms.

Forsaken Druids have no connection to the wild gods, Emerald Dream, or bear/cat spirits. Just like the Kul Tirans and (sort of) Zandalari which is why they don’t just have traditional bear/cat forms.

[Teriz]

You were mentioning how Undeath for druids is a no-no, but blizzard clearly doesn’t care about that kinda stuff.



Chances are blizzard would “redraw” the bear form into a crypt-lord inspired form.

Or who knows, blizzard has shown with Zandalari that they aren’t limiting Druid forms to specific skeletons because the Zandalari moonkin form is using the Arakkoa form.

There’s not a whole lot of animations that a form using the crypt lord skeleton would need for bear form. Just different versions of a melee attack which the crypt lords probably already have.

That doesn't work though because the Bear form attacks with its front legs. The Crypt Lord attacks with its two frontal claws;



So that means that you're going to have to create an entirely unique skeleton for the Crypt Lord, which is quite outside the purview of a mere glyph. And also we have abilities where the Crypt Lord opens up its carapace and shows off its wings.

Huh?
Wouldn’t it just mean that your argument of “oh no insect forms are nightmare” is invalid? Since we’ve already got nightmare forms.

It comes from the RPG;

A Druid of the Nightmare is a variant class of druid. Not all druids revere the Emerald Dream. A few rare and twisted individuals channel the Nightmare, a rent in the perfection of the Emerald Dream. Most of these druids of the Nightmare were once normal druids who inadvertently came in contact with the Nightmare (often while dreamwalking) and fell under its insidious influence. However, an increasing number of people have become druids of the Nightmare through their own volition. Whereas traditional druids seek a communion with nature, druids of the Nightmare become increasingly divorced from the natural order. Druids of the Nightmare transform into vermin such as monstrous scorpions or monstrous spiders instead of the animals other druids choose. Most of their abilities involve corrupting or destroying nature or warping the minds and bodies of others. At some point, the druid of the Nightmare is fully removed from nature; instead of aging as others, they develop random and unusual features (such as scales or tentacles) as they advance in years

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Druid_of_the_Nightmare

And yes, its non-canon. The fact that Blizzard didn't use that in the game reinforces that fact.

Forsaken Druids have no connection to the wild gods, Emerald Dream, or bear/cat spirits. Just like the Kul Tirans and (sort of) Zandalari which is why they don’t just have traditional bear/cat forms.

Uh the KT and Zaladari are definitely connected to the Wild Gods. It states as much in the lore. You are quite correct about the Forsaken though, which is why they shouldn't be Druids in the first place, and more than likely won't be.

[Ielenia]

Yeah, and it's just a redrawn Bear;

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/scree...mal/708664.jpg

You do understand that the Crypt Lord is a completely different model right?

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/scree...mal/886323.jpg

Six legs instead of 4 and massive wings under its carapace.

And the werebear is a completely different model as well.

[Teriz]

And the werebear is a completely different model as well.

And it was created for every Druid race, not just one.

[Nightshade711]

That doesn't work though because the Bear form attacks with its front legs. The Crypt Lord attacks with its two frontal claws;



So that means that you're going to have to create an entirely unique skeleton for the Crypt Lord, which is quite outside the purview of a mere glyph. And also we have abilities where the Crypt Lord opens up its carapace and shows off its wings.

I could go into long details on the differences between an Arakkoa’s animations an a moonkin as “reasons why Arakkoa won’t ever be moonkin forms”… and yet they were still added.

Or how a Saberon has completely different animations from the cat form, and they were added as a cat form for a little. The list goes on and on.

It comes from the RPG;

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Druid_of_the_Nightmare

And yes, its non-canon. The fact that Blizzard didn't use that in the game reinforces that fact.

Yeah, and we see Druids of the nightmare using insect forms in-game. We also see them use the corrupted versions that we got. (Especially since Ursoc was corrupted by the nightmare and the nightmare skin was from the claws of Ursoc)
So there’s no lore reason anymore as to why druids (especially Undead druids with more in common with the Nerubians) could not get insect/nerubian inspired forms.

Uh the KT and Zaladari are definitely connected to the Wild Gods. It states as much in the lore. You are quite correct about the Forsaken though, which is why they shouldn't be Druids in the first place, and more than likely won't be.

Blizzard doesn’t really care about that kind of race/class lore though. As seen with Lightforged Warlocks, spriests, and even DKs.

And even technically Goblin Shamans, who have no connection to the elements like any of the other shaman races do.

[Triceron]

And it was created for every Druid race, not just one.

As would a Crypt Lord customization be applicable to every Druid Race because it would be a universal cosmetic unlock.

Its connection to nature and beasts is it being an Insect form. Further connection of being undead would sprout from a connection to Forsaken Druids, who would be the ones who would discover, specialize and teach other druids the use of this form.

So that means that you're going to have to create an entirely unique skeleton for the Crypt Lord, which is quite outside the purview of a mere glyph. And also we have abilities where the Crypt Lord opens up its carapace and shows off its wings.

If this were true, werebear form would not be possible.

You're arguing against what is already possible in the game. This is what we call an excuse, not an issue. No one said it has to be a glyph. It is a customization.


Like I said, there is room for both a customization and a class. But as long as you keep making bogus arguments, people are gonna debunk those bogus claims. If you are concerned about things going off topic, realize that you're the one causing it. There's now at least 4 different people pressing you on your bullshit against customizations, rather than actually talk about the sexy spiders you actually want people to care about.

No one else here seems to deny Druids using Crypt Lord form as a possible tanking form. Like I said, your entire concept is even open to a different set of Druids using the form as long as you get new abilities, so it has less to do with lore not making sense or lacking connections than it is about you being defensive and making up any reason to dismiss customizations. This has only reinforced other people to deny your bogus arguments and support the idea of Druids plausibly using a Crypt Lord form. Look around at how you've drawn all the attention against your own arguments.