Crypt Lord class now possible thanks to Dracthyr Evokers?

[Teriz]

where did I say there was one and why would it even matter when you can already wear other classes tier sets since atleast wrath.

You were arguing in favor of a notion that the Druid class would get an exclusive Crypt Lord form because the character was featured on a hearthstone card. So, if we're using that argument, Bronze Dragons are connected to Paladins and we should be seeing some exclusive Paladin items from the Bronze Dragonflight.

Yet we have nothing of the sort.

it shows that unlike pallys blizzard has no problem making new forms not tied to the races and letting Druids pick them freely and blizzard has already linked the two concepts through hearthstone even including a Druid from.

What new forms have they made for Druids related to Crypt Lords in WoW?

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Its not pally exclusive, but there's a whole set of recolours of the Zaralek gear coming out next patch. A Bronze themed set, and an Infinite themed set, to go along with the Red, Black and Blue themed ones we already have. Infinite version of it absolutely pops, the Bronze dragon one is a bit eh as I don't like the tan to blue they do with bronze dragon sets

We'll probably be getting the green dragon version of it come 10.2

The point is that there is no exclusive connection between Bronze Dragons and Paladins outside of Hearthstone, and that connection has certainly not led to anything in WoW.

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No, it does not. Again: there's no evidence that backs up your argument that Blizzard treats the lore differently in regards to the addition of playable classes and playable races. You just asserted this is the case, with no real evidence to its existence aside from your desire for things to be this way because it fits the narrative you're trying to push here. You're seeing things that just aren't there. Or, at least, you're claiming you're seeing things.

The evidence being 4 new classes since WoW's inception versus races getting new class opening on a consistent basis, whether they fit their lore or not.

If you admit that Blizzard does "break the lore" (whatever that means for you) to add playable classes, then your argument doesn't really have any leg to stand on. Because that means Blizzard treats the lore no differently regardless if they're adding a new playable class, or a new playable race.

Blizzard is more willing to break lore on a race level than on a class level. For example they didn't allow Warlocks to keep Death Coil or Metamorphosis when DKs and Demon Hunters entered the scene. However, they have no problem with Lightforged Draenei getting Warlocks or Kul'Tirans getting Wicker druids.

That's a distinction that just doesn't exist in this context.

Then feel free to provide an example of where Blizzard cut corners in terms of classes. In other words, when has Blizzard cut corners for a class on a level where we could also see them reskinning a spec instead of bringing in a new class.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You were arguing in favor of a notion that the Druid class would get an exclusive Crypt Lord form because the character was featured on a hearthstone card. So, if we're using that argument, Bronze Dragons are connected to Paladins and we should be seeing some exclusive Paladin items from the Bronze Dragonflight.

Yet we have nothing of the sort.

Uh no I never said any of that, I said blizzard already tied the concepts together.

What new forms have they made for Druids related to Crypt Lords in WoW?

Why would it have to be in wow you've pointed out countless times that they can and do take class idea's from there other games like wailing arrow, the hunt, or dragon ability's from hots.

[Teriz]

Uh no I never said any of that, I said blizzard already tied the concepts together.

In Hearthstone, which doesn't matter.

Why would it have to be in wow you've pointed out countless times that they can and do take class idea's from there other games like wailing arrow, the hunt, or dragon ability's from hots.

Because there's a difference between HotS abilities getting translated into WoW and how the Hearthstone team themes cards with the HS classes. While the Bronze Dragonflight gets themed with Paladins in HS for whatever reason, you don't see that shared thematic in WoW at all. Thus using the similar HS theming of Crypt Lords with Druids to justify the looney idea that Druids would get a Crypt Lord form is nonsensical.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

In Hearthstone, which doesn't matter.

hearthstone matters just as much as there other games like Hots, see N’zoth Tortoliens League of Explorers, ect.

Because there's a difference between HotS abilities getting translated into WoW and how the Hearthstone team themes cards with the HS classes. While the Bronze Dragonflight gets themed with Paladins in HS for whatever reason, you don't see that shared thematic in WoW at all. Thus using the similar HS theming of Crypt Lords with Druids to justify the looney idea that Druids would get a Crypt Lord form is nonsensical.

while the pally dragon overlap may not be a thing there are already other overlaps between hearthstone and wow with things like call of the wild for hunters or priest getting a faceless one summon, not to mention the devs them selfs said this.

We constantly inspire each other. We have a good relationship with that time. Sometimes we’ll say, 'Hey, we’re working on this for an upcoming thing in case you want to use it,' and they’ll go, 'Oh, definitely, send us some concept art, and we’ll send it to our illustrators and incorporate that into our next thing.

so the idea that they would keep taking stuff from hearthstone is way more founded then then making a sexy spider class.

[Ielenia]

The evidence being 4 new classes since WoW's inception versus races getting new class opening on a consistent basis, whether they fit their lore or not.

That's not evidence. Blizzard has basically always broken the lore to add both classes and races. Again, this is a distinction that doesn't exist.

Blizzard is more willing to break lore on a race level than on a class level.

You don't know that.

For example they didn't allow Warlocks to keep Death Coil or Metamorphosis when DKs and Demon Hunters entered the scene.

That's hardly because of lore. Warlocks never had the "death coil" ability. They only had an ability that had the same name. As for Metamorphosis, an easy argument to make is that they: a) thought the spec has strayed too far from its original theme (as per Blizzard's words) and b) the gameplay and theme might have been too similar to the demo hunter.

However, they have no problem with Lightforged Draenei getting Warlocks or Kul'Tirans getting Wicker druids.

What about Blizzard breaking their own lore to make a previously evil entity into a force for good, i.e. the death knights? What about Blizzard breaking their own lore by taking geomancers (as established in the Pearl of Pandaria comic), erasing them from the lore and replacing them with monks? What about Blizzard breaking their own lore by not only having Illidan and all the DHs he trained not die in Black Temple, but be captured and conveniently stored right at the Broken Isles? Oh, and how about Blizzard breaking their own lore by retroactively changing Neltharion's failed experiments into a success?

Then feel free to provide an example of where Blizzard cut corners in terms of classes.

Demon hunters only having two specs instead of three. And even if you don't count DHs, one inescapable fact is that just because they haven't done it yet, it doesn't mean they'd never will. And with the growing acceptance toward "class skins" happening nowadays, I'm convinced it's not a matter of "if", but "when".

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In Hearthstone, which doesn't matter.

This is incredibly dishonest of you since you love to use Hearthstone in your concepts, such as your explorer concept, your tinker concept, your creatively bankrupt bard concept, etc. Hearthstone can't matter and whenever it's convenient for you. If it matters, then it will matter even when it goes against your narrative.

[Teriz]

hearthstone matters just as much as there other games like Hots, see N’zoth Tortoliens League of Explorers, ect.

I'm saying the connection of Bronze Dragons and Paladins in HS doesn't matter. Just like the connection of Crypt Lords and Druids in HS.

while the pally dragon overlap may not be a thing there are already other overlaps between hearthstone and wow with things like call of the wild for hunters or priest getting a faceless one summon, not to mention the devs them selfs said this.

Which again has nothing to do with Druids getting a Crypt Lord form.

so the idea that they would keep taking stuff from hearthstone is way more founded then then making a sexy spider class.

You get the sexy spider class because that's how Blizzard would do such a race. At least it would be an OPTION for that race because Blizzard wouldn't force you to play grotesque looking spider people.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I'm saying the connection of Bronze Dragons and Paladins in HS doesn't matter. Just like the connection of Crypt Lords and Druids in HS.

your right it doesn’t matter, all the other connections and ones they may make in the future do how ever and crypt lords are certainly a possibility if they ever want to give us a expan around them.

Which again has nothing to do with Druids getting a Crypt Lord form.

blizzard translating ideas from HS to wow has quite a lot to do with them doing it again in the future.

You get the sexy spider class because that's how Blizzard would do such a race. At least it would be an OPTION for that race because Blizzard wouldn't force you to play grotesque looking spider people.

no that’s how you would do such a race blizzard has never made a peep about such a thing and have never touched the idea even in there sillier Warcraft property hearthstone, it’s solely a you thing.

And if they were ever going to go for playable crypt lords they are far more likely to use there own in house idea then the one you made up.

[Teriz]

That's not evidence. Blizzard has basically always broken the lore to add both classes and races. Again, this is a distinction that doesn't exist.

If you're simply going to ignore evidence, there's no point in continuing this discussion.

You don't know that.

We have multiple examples throughout the history of WoW. One such early example was Tauren getting the Druid class.

That's hardly because of lore. Warlocks never had the "death coil" ability. They only had an ability that had the same name. As for Metamorphosis, an easy argument to make is that they: a) thought the spec has strayed too far from its original theme (as per Blizzard's words) and b) the gameplay and theme might have been too similar to the demo hunter.

Demon Hunters had to get metamorphosis and DKs had to get Death Coil because of lore. That's it, and that's all.

What about Blizzard breaking their own lore to make a previously evil entity into a force for good, i.e. the death knights? What about Blizzard breaking their own lore by taking geomancers (as established in the Pearl of Pandaria comic), erasing them from the lore and replacing them with monks? What about Blizzard breaking their own lore by not only having Illidan and all the DHs he trained not die in Black Temple, but be captured and conveniently stored right at the Broken Isles? Oh, and how about Blizzard breaking their own lore by retroactively changing Neltharion's failed experiments into a success?

None of that is class lore, that's general lore to justify an expansion feature. For example, DKs being good or evil has nothing to do with their class lore. However, if you had DKs dropping totems or turning into bears, you would betray their class lore.

Demon hunters only having two specs instead of three. And even if you don't count DHs, one inescapable fact is that just because they haven't done it yet, it doesn't mean they'd never will. And with the growing acceptance toward "class skins" happening nowadays, I'm convinced it's not a matter of "if", but "when".

That isn't cutting a corner, that's Demon Hunters as a class having limited design space.

This is incredibly dishonest of you since you love to use Hearthstone in your concepts, such as your explorer concept, your tinker concept, your creatively bankrupt bard concept, etc. Hearthstone can't matter and whenever it's convenient for you. If it matters, then it will matter even when it goes against your narrative.

Hearthstone doesn't matter if you're trying to link Paladins to Bronze Dragons. However, Hearthstone matters when you start seeing Hearthstone characters show up in WoW.

Both can be true at the same time.

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your right it doesn’t matter, all the other connections and ones they may make in the future do how ever and crypt lords are certainly a possibility if they ever want to give us a expan around them.

Blizzard made that connection back in 2017. There's been nothing from that connection since.

Why? Because Crypt Lords have nothing to do with the lore or concept of Druids.

blizzard translating ideas from HS to wow has quite a lot to do with them doing it again in the future.

Blizzard translating some ideas from HS to WoW does not mean that ALL ideas from HS will be translated.

no that’s how you would do such a race blizzard has never made a peep about such a thing and have never touched the idea even in there sillier Warcraft property hearthstone, it’s solely a you thing.

And if they were ever going to go for playable crypt lords they are far more likely to use there own in house idea then the one you made up.

Again, simply look at how Blizzard does races. Every WoW race has an attractive option for the player. Even horrendous looking creatures like Worgen, Goblins, Trolls, and Undead.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Blizzard made that connection back in 2017. There's been nothing from that connection since.

Why? Because Crypt Lords have nothing to do with the lore or concept of Druids.

March of the lichking came out December last year and reaffirmed the connection.

Blizzard translating some ideas from HS to WoW does not mean that ALL ideas from HS will be translated.

who ever claimed it did? Certainly not I.

Again, simply look at how Blizzard does races. Every WoW race has an attractive option for the player. Even horrendous looking creatures like Worgen, Goblins, Trolls, and Undead.

until female Tauren look like this blizzard sticking to there own ideas will always be more likely then them using yours.

[Teriz]

March of the lichking came out December last year and reaffirmed the connection.

And it reaffirmed the connection of Paladins and Bronze dragons.

Yet we got nothing from that connection Dragon Flight. Why would you think we'd getting something from that Druid/Crypt Lord connection in a Nerubian expansion?

who ever claimed it did? Certainly not I.

You implied it.

until female Tauren look like this blizzard sticking to there own ideas will always be more likely then them using yours

You're being absolutely ridiculous here.

[Maljinwo]

Y'all still arguing with Strawman Teriz?

He won't accept anything that isn't a yesman for his fanfics. Just stop replying

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And it reaffirmed the connection of Paladins and Bronze dragons.

Yet we got nothing from that connection Dragon Flight. Why would you think we'd getting something from that Druid/Crypt Lord connection in a Nerubian expansion?

because it’s the most likely way blizzard would give us playable Nerubians so if they want such a thing it’s how they will do it.

You implied it.

nope not even slightly, I’ve made no comments on absolutes.

You're being absolutely ridiculous here.

I’m just applying the same sexy anime logic you use for Nerubians, and given that blizzard doesn’t use said logic they would stick with there own idea not yours.

[Teriz]

Y'all still arguing with Strawman Teriz?

He won't accept anything that isn't a yesman for his fanfics. Just stop replying

Nonsense. I'll accept plenty of arguments, but the idea that any and every class concept will become a Druid class skin is the height of silliness. It's the new "Blizzard needs to work on existing classes instead of making new ones".

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because it’s the most likely way blizzard would give us playable Nerubians so if they want such a thing it’s how they will do it.

The most likely way they would do it is doing what they did with the Dracthyr; Make a non-humanoid creature/monster into a humanoid to allow it to fit into WoW's racial system.

I’m just applying the same sexy anime logic you use for Nerubians, and given that blizzard doesn’t use said logic they would stick with there own idea not yours.

Except you can make female cows look pleasant. You can't do that with insects and spiders who have grotesque features.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The most likely way they would do it is doing what they did with the Dracthyr; Make a non-humanoid creature/monster into a humanoid to allow it to fit into WoW's racial system.

No they would stick to the idea they have already established not the one you made up that blizzard has never shown any interest in.

Except you can make female cows look pleasant. You can't do that with insects and spiders who have grotesque features.

I hope farmers don’t let you near there live stock.

If there not gonna make there cows sexy anime girls they aren’t gonna do it for spiders.

[Teriz]

No they would stick to the idea they have already established not the one you made up that blizzard has never shown any interest in.

And if they're doing this concept, they're going to make the playable race attractive to players. Players don't like playing ugly/grotesque races, which is why elves are so popular.

Anyway, you clearly lack the maturity to continue this conversation, so we'll end this here.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

And if they're doing this concept, they're going to make the playable race attractive to players.

Again that’s only your idea blizzard has never had any interest in it unlike there ties to Druids.

[Sezerek]

Not sure why you are so vehemently against Lorgars druid angle on this whole thing @Teriz.
While we have never seen Druids utilize a "Cryptlord"-form, that doesn't mean they can't do it, since they are obviously adept at transformation-oriented magic.

[Teriz]

Not sure why you are so vehemently against Lorgars druid angle on this whole thing @Teriz.
While we have never seen Druids utilize a "Cryptlord"-form, that doesn't mean they can't do it, since they are obviously adept at transformation-oriented magic.

Because Nerubians aren't mindless beasts. They're a sentient and highly intelligent race, right up there with the playable races.

Again, it's like the notion that Druids will get Orc or Troll forms, or somehow get dragon forms in Dragon Flight. That ain't happening.

[Ielenia]

If you're simply going to ignore evidence, there's no point in continuing this discussion.

It's not about ignoring. It's about you claiming a distinction exists where there isn't any. Blizzard hasn't shown to treat classes and races differently in regards to lore. Blizzard will "break" and retcon whatever they deem necessary to bring a class and/or race into the game. They did that for the draenei race, they did that for the death knight class, they did that for everything.

We have multiple examples throughout the history of WoW. One such early example was Tauren getting the Druid class.

That is not evidence that Blizzard "disrespects" lore more when dealing with races than classes. They do that for both, and have never shown any sort of "favoritism" regarding adherence to lore. Both classes and races later added to the game after launch "break the lore".

Demon Hunters had to get metamorphosis and DKs had to get Death Coil because of lore. That's it, and that's all.

It's not at all because of lore. Because nothing in the lore states that no one other than demon hunters can transform into demons. But let's assume that, for the sake of the argument, there is lore that says "only demon hunters can use metamorphosis". If that was the case, warlocks would never have gotten the metamorphosis ability, which means this would be another instance of Blizzard "breaking the lore for classes", which goes against your claims.

Also, warlocks never the DK's death coil ability. They only had the ability name.

None of that is class lore, that's general lore to justify an expansion feature. For example, DKs being good or evil has nothing to do with their class lore. However, if you had DKs dropping totems or turning into bears, you would betray their class lore.

... You are aware that there's plenty of quests and world quests in this game that have you "dropping totems" and "turning into bears", right? Also, what you just pointed out is not 'class lore' but 'class design'. As for actual lore, the playable DK is a knight of the Ebon Blade who got betrayed by the Lich King and then freed from his control. That's the lore of the class.

That isn't cutting a corner, that's Demon Hunters as a class having limited design space.

That is cutting corners. After all, all classes in the game up until then had three specs, minimum. Blizzard couldn't think of an appropriate third spec for the DH, so they decided to just cut it short and make just two specs.

Hearthstone doesn't matter if you're trying to link Paladins to Bronze Dragons. However, Hearthstone matters when you start seeing Hearthstone characters show up in WoW.

You're again cherry picking. Rafaam has not shown up in WoW but that didn't stop you from using him in your ideas.

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Nonsense. I'll accept plenty of arguments, but the idea that any and every class concept will become a Druid class skin is the height of silliness. It's the new "Blizzard needs to work on existing classes instead of making new ones".

Literally no one has made that argument. Ever.

BTW, using a strawman as a reply to a post where someone calls you "Strawman Teriz" is just... deliciously ironic.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Because Nerubians aren't mindless beasts. They're a sentient and highly intelligent race, right up there with the playable races.

Again, it's like the notion that Druids will get Orc or Troll forms, or somehow get dragon forms in Dragon Flight. That ain't happening.

*cough*Saberon*cough*