Wrath Classic WoW Token Now Available

[JSoup]

Gold buying has been in the MMO scene ever since runescape and everquest

Before that even. I remember Dark Age of Camelot had gold traders. And then there was the early 2000s currency trades. Trading Neopoints from Neopets to GaiaOnline Gold and then to D&D Online was an easy way to make money.

[Gnosk]

About time! people have been buying gold regardless.

[ZazuuPriest]

Soooooo... Getting a guild IS a viable solution as you have shown by your own example. Your post is confusing. Your tone is one of attack against the person you have quoted but the content of the attack is confirming the quote is true.

R u having a stroke? Call 911 (if in US).

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Technically you are not resting your case. Your case was refuted and jn your reply you agreed with the conclusion that you were wrong. In reality you are actually changing your mind and agreeing with what I am saying. Spouting nonsense on what you think will happen now that we have a token is meaningless.

You stated people didn't want the token. I said they did and gave proof of why. With my strong argument I changed your mind and now you agreed with me.

You're Welcome.

my original point was that everyone runs GDKP for alts (aka gearing) if you have a main that you raid on obviously you likely wont have to do GDKP on it. what about this is confusing to you? are you lower functioning?

[Yakut]

Players also DONT want the token - are you suggesting they should ignore those players? Your entire argument makes no sense at all. You say its not corporate greed, but then go on to say the main or only reason they are doing this is to make money...

Your argument is predicated upon the fact you are unable to resist buying the token? I mean that seems like an odd position as well. Unless you're saying you don't want OTHER players to buy a token. Well, that's not yours to say either.

The rest of that response is rhetorical nonsense to justify an unsupportable position. Find a better argument that doesn't cause you to choose what others should and should not have. That one is DOA.

[MasterHamster]

I wish I could say I was surprised, but with Blizzard being the soulless husk of its former self it is, I can't say I am.

A big "fuck you" to whichever Corporate Suit killed the last remnant of integrity that Blizzard games had.
I hope you choke on your next quarterly report, and if not, kindly proceed to shove it up your arse.

/bye

[Biomega]

A big "fuck you" to whichever Corporate Suit killed the last remnant of integrity that Blizzard games had.

Today I learned that just leaving it to shady gold sellers and their scamming and thievery to cater to a very obvious player demand is "integrity".

MMOC teaches the most valuable lessons.

[crusadernero]

Finally wotlk classic players can fully embrace the GDKP raiding scene. Like it was ment to be.

[Cynical Asshole]

So Blizzard finally decided to deal with the bots by opening its own gold shop. Its only fair they make some profit from all the gold sales as well.

LOL. You mean "Blizzard finally decided to get more money out of WoTLK".

Are you really that ignorant as to think this is about combating gold sellers, and not about Blizzard getting a whole bunch of sweet cash because the majority of people would very much like to buy gold but don't want to do so against the rules and risk their entire accounts?

[Caerrona]

The 5 people that actually farm gold in wrath are in shambles.

Everyone else knows what was already going on.

[Tojara]

I mean, it can absolutely be both.

Of course Blizzard makes more money. Whether you want to admit it or not, it does combat botting to a degree and at the very least it's going to curb buying gold from illegal sites by a decent margin as well. It's what happened on live when it was introduced in WoD as well.

You're playing the game with blinders on if you think for a second that there isn't a giant underground gold selling scene in classic WoW. It's really simple to see if you ever do GDKP runs at all, and while there's plenty of ethical people who just play the game a lot, there's plenty that absolutely buy gold to buy anything they want. There are discord servers on every major realm with thousands of people that almost act like a cartel. While not all of them do it, there's plenty of them that run dozens of GDKPs a week to sell gold for RL money.

I participate in GDKPs because I don't want to be in a guild and it's a fairly good system in WoTLK if you aren't in an organized guild. It's a bit discouraging when somebody walks in winning things that you know buys gold from illegal sites, but I guess that just goes with the territory.

Gold is actually pretty worthless in Classic if you just uh, play in a guild. Consumables cost nothing and if you just limit yourself to guild activities and/or running SR runs (they do exist), gold actually doesn't mean anything.

Personally I'm happy because if they do decide to go to Cataclysm I can convert all of my remaining WoTLK gold to subscription time anyway. Why? 10 mans drop the same loot as 25 man for the next two installments, it's a lot easier to organize and if you have a group of 10-12 people you will never in a million years need gold for Cataclysm and MoP.

GDKPs were never super mainstream in OG classic until WoTLK. They however have been rampant in Classic since the beginning, but I have a feeling much like the original launch of Cataclysm that there appeal will diminish in Cataclysm. Why? Same reason as I said above. Why spend any gold when you can just organize a 10 man with friends? While content in Cataclysm forward will 100% be easier the second time around, the difficulty of the raids do increase as we go forward, which makes doing GDKPs harder and harder.

[munkeyinorbit]

my original point was that everyone runs GDKP for alts (aka gearing) if you have a main that you raid on obviously you likely wont have to do GDKP on it. what about this is confusing to you? are you lower functioning?

Not this move again. Move goalposts -> Make false claims -> Name calling. Sure buddy. We aaaaallllllll saw you say that. Go get em, tiger.

[tikcol]

Yes, because they know that if they banned gold selling/buying then they would lose out many customers (speaking of the buyers) since the game would not be enjoyable for them anymore and those who don't buy gold would then call WoW a dead game with nobody to play with.

They normalized it so much that you're a player talking as if you were Boby Kotick

[arkanon]

Your argument is predicated upon the fact you are unable to resist buying the token? I mean that seems like an odd position as well. Unless you're saying you don't want OTHER players to buy a token. Well, that's not yours to say either.

The rest of that response is rhetorical nonsense to justify an unsupportable position. Find a better argument that doesn't cause you to choose what others should and should not have. That one is DOA.

No, its Directly related to your argument. Are you saying you would be unable to resist playing ele shaman? I mean that seems like an odd position as well. Unless you're saying you don't want OTHER players to play ele shaman. Well, that's not yours to say either.

Find a better argument that doesn't cause you to choose what others should and SHOULD NOT have. That one is DOA.

If you cannot see your argument is IDENTICAL, then you are not worth this discussion. Notice that you completely refused to discuss the points raised? That is NOT because they are nonsensical, its because they entirely dismantle your "argument" and you absolutely, 100% know that - thats why you are avoiding speaking about it.

[Segus1992]

I KNEW this was coming, I really want to rub everyone's face in it who said it wasn't.

People who said it wasn't were always huffing a large dose of copium. It was only a matter of time.

[Nalam the Venom]

Players also DONT want the token - are you suggesting they should ignore those players? Your entire argument makes no sense at all. You say its not corporate greed, but then go on to say the main or only reason they are doing this is to make money...

You also say Blizzard SHOULD make the token because "players want it" but then acknowledge that there are players who DONT want it, but think its laughable that their opinion should be considered? If a bunch of people who play, lets say ele shaman say they want to be 20% stronger than any other spec, should they do that? I mean by your logic, there are players who want that, so why wouldnt they give the players what they want? To hell with the people who DONT want that, lets just give the players what they want!

And to be very clear, no, i do NOT think blizzard should just give the players everything they want - players can be and are very short sighted - and EXTREMELY selfish. Remember, there are players on this very forum advocating for BIS gear - as good or better than mythic raid gear, from a single world quest which only requires collecting a few flowers, repeatable daily until you have a full BIS gear set - players want it, do you support that idea? if not, why not?

People who don’t want token are just those that buy gold and prefer it if there is no way for people who rather not break ToS to buy gold.

So that they can easier control GDKPs or economy in general.

There’s no valid reason not want token, When 3rd party buying has been a thing since classic launch

[rarhyx]

it's not hard to do "/who black temple" and see thousands of unguilded players with names like Xkwndsejtn farming there 24 hours a day for weeks on end

is there anything special to farm in BT?

[czarek]

damn guess classic is now pay to win poor people wanting the old experience but get majorly fucked by blizz greed

Its pay2win since classic GDKP runs exists. Except this GDKP isnt that bad its just currency for your efforts BUT ofc if you dont push cash into gold you just had to farm some GDKP runs. Nothin changed imo. For PUGS ofc. If you are guilded no impact in that area. BUT again another one BUT. Prob economy... huge inflation in 3,2,1...

[Gorsameth]

It's what I don't like about the Classics being remade
Retail has changed so much that the entire feel of the game from 10+ years ago has changed
If people want to buy tokens it's flying in the face of those round table debates about how they wanted players to experience older expansions.
Maybe they need to rethink if these remakes are a good idea. Nostalgia blurs things a bit when you've been so used to making gold then back to an expansion that made you work harder for it. It's now a classic expansion with current retail elements pointing towards the game maybe not doing that well?

The issue isn't that Retail has changed the way people experience a Vanilla remake (Classic).

The problem, as people have been pointing out since the first calls for a Classic server started is that the Players have changed. We have changed.
You can't get the experience and feel of 10+ years ago back because your not the same person you were 10 years ago.

The only thing that can give the people who want to live those time what they desire isn't a computer but a time machine and a lobotomy.

[anveena]

Finally something to spend my gold on.

[JacobMarley]

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Technically you are not resting your case. Your case was refuted and jn your reply you agreed with the conclusion that you were wrong. In reality you are actually changing your mind and agreeing with what I am saying. Spouting nonsense on what you think will happen now that we have a token is meaningless.

You stated people didn't want the token. I said they did and gave proof of why. With my strong argument I changed your mind and now you agreed with me.

You're Welcome.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Where did I agree that I was wrong? I agree'd with a part of someone else' post that there was a bot problem and there always has been... even after the WoW token.
I Didn't agree with anything you've said so far. At no point did I say that some people didn't want the token. I was making the argument it's a terrible idea, makes a game p2w, and an alternative would be to just police the game better. Unfortunately (as we've come to expect with Blizzard lately) the approach taken is:

Step 1: Problem is created
Step 2: Ignore it while it takes root.
Step 3: Sell the solution