Why don't people join 19s?

[Tealarrow]

Spent nearly two hours wrangling players for a 19 run. I got curious why there were no apps and made a 20 and got absolutely flooded by people that no one would ever take.

I'm talking people who hadn't even timed a 16. Is there a reason why the wow playerbase does this? Every thing is upgradable... is it just a hail mary for vault?

[craigw]

Spent nearly two hours wrangling players for a 19 run. I got curious why there were no apps and made a 20 and got absolutely flooded by people that no one would ever take.

I'm talking people who hadn't even timed a 16. Is there a reason why the wow playerbase does this? Every thing is upgradable... is it just a hail mary for vault?

you get max vault loot for 20s. people constantly que for them with untimed 15s to get carried to a vault reward. i seem to see an issue like yours. so when i push my own key when i do an 18 i get flooded with ques. put my 19 key up and it takes forever to fill. sometimes so long people constantly leave. both offer the same vault reward of 444. i view it as why make it harder to get the same reward. now with 20s the vault reward goes up to 447. so 19s get skipped. you see people farming 16s for crest , but farm 17s to get gear as the 17s dont get skipped cause you get the highest level upgradable item from them (its upgradable to 441). there is no major benefit outside pushing your key to run a 19.

[netherflame]

16s and 19s have the same problem, they are just simply sub optimal to run, if you run 16s you get aspects crest but you don't get max up-grade-able gear and if you do 19s you are putting a ton of effort into not getting a portal and still getting the same vault reward as an 18.

[Ealyssa]

20s is the max vault, 18 is the chill vault (444, same as a 19). 19 is just the land of the sweaties who can't keep their 20+ alive and aren't good enough to be picked up for other +20 keys.

Every rank right before the reward steps up is full of "bad" players (bad comparatively to the level not as an absolute), that's how wow was and always will be.
Puging a 15 is usually harder than a 16 just as a 19 is usually harder than a 20.
The second problem is why would you help a random push his key to +20 when it's extremely likely he won't take you for it (because way higher scored/geared players are queuing for those). It's a lot of wasted time helping someone who will 90% of the time not help you in return.

Just avoid those steps as much as possible and your puging quality will improve (a little, let's not pretend it's a world of difference either)

[czarek]

Because doin +19 is pointless tbh. Only reason to do this have key owner to upgrade it and prob no one else.

[Tealarrow]

20s is the max vault, 18 is the chill vault (444, same as a 19). 19 is just the land of the sweaties who can't keep their 20+ alive and aren't good enough to be picked up for other +20 keys.

Every rank right before the reward steps up is full of "bad" players (bad comparatively to the level not as an absolute), that's how wow was and always will be.
Puging a 15 is usually harder than a 16 just as a 19 is usually harder than a 20.
The second problem is why would you help a random push his key to +20 when it's extremely likely he won't take you for it (because way higher scored/geared players are queuing for those). It's a lot of wasted time helping someone who will 90% of the time not help you in return.

Just avoid those steps as much as possible and your puging quality will improve (a little, let's not pretend it's a world of difference either)

I guess so... I'm not usually in the lower bracket I tend to stick to keys 2 or 3 levels above cap. It's been a...well unpleasant experience being behind the curve.

[Puri]

Spent nearly two hours wrangling players for a 19 run. I got curious why there were no apps and made a 20 and got absolutely flooded by people that no one would ever take.

I'm talking people who hadn't even timed a 16. Is there a reason why the wow playerbase does this? Every thing is upgradable... is it just a hail mary for vault?

There is no point in doing a 19.
You do +16 if your only goal is farming aspect.
You do +17 if you also want heroic items to drop.
You do +18 if you won't do a +20 and want to maximize your vault.
You do +20 to get maximum vault gear.

The sinlge aspect/wyrm you save from upgrading a m+19 instance reward over a m+17 instance reward is practically almost evened out over timing a +17 over not timing a +19.

[unbound]

Spent nearly two hours wrangling players for a 19 run. I got curious why there were no apps and made a 20 and got absolutely flooded by people that no one would ever take.

I'm talking people who hadn't even timed a 16. Is there a reason why the wow playerbase does this? Every thing is upgradable... is it just a hail mary for vault?

TBH, M+ is boring, so the vast majority of people are looking at the gear reward structure. Thus, they want the lowest key that they can run for that reward. If M+ was actually fun, you wouldn't see this problem.

Blizz doesn't care because M+ is a cheap way of giving people the impression that they created content when they just have to manage a slider for 8 or so dungeons.

[thunderdragon2]

i feel like with this in mind theres no point in keeping 19s around just get rind of them imo its like getting the shittest key possible on any difficulty that no1 wants to run....

just remove the possibility to get a +1 from doing a 18 either a 18 goes to a 20 a 21 or a 17 simple

[Ealyssa]

i feel like with this in mind theres no point in keeping 19s around just get rind of them imo its like getting the shittest key possible on any difficulty that no1 wants to run....

That's up to you, you can totally never have a 19 yourself. +2 a 18, boom skipped bad key. Time a 20+, you'll get a 20+ next week boom skipped again.
It's totally up to the player.

[Tech614]

Spent nearly two hours wrangling players for a 19 run. I got curious why there were no apps and made a 20 and got absolutely flooded by people that no one would ever take.

I'm talking people who hadn't even timed a 16. Is there a reason why the wow playerbase does this? Every thing is upgradable... is it just a hail mary for vault?

They can farm the hero gear they need on 17s and fill vault rewards with 20s. 19s are a dead zone if you're expecting overqualified people to que up and carry you. Lower that shit to an 18 and hopefully +2 it. you might be able to get some decent people for an 18(people trying to fill vault with 444 options without the headache of 20s for 447s) but no shot for 19s.

[Cynical Asshole]

Because there is no vault gear upgrade from running a 19. The vault gear upgrades from +18 straight up to +20.
The only people willing to run it are people farming score and can't get into a +20 yet, and there aren't a lot of those.

When you get a +19, your only shot is to downgrade it to +18 and then invite a bunch of geared and experienced people to maybe hopefully complete it so fast that it upgrades to +20.

[Temp name]

You could justify doing 19s in like, week 1, because you'd save a crest over doing a 17, and it's faster than a 20, but at this point, you do either 17s or 20s, anything in between is nomans land

[Phob]

Swap them down to 18s, +2 them. Problem solved.
Swap them down to +17, +3 them. Problem solved.

[kamuimac]

Spent nearly two hours wrangling players for a 19 run. I got curious why there were no apps and made a 20 and got absolutely flooded by people that no one would ever take.

I'm talking people who hadn't even timed a 16. Is there a reason why the wow playerbase does this? Every thing is upgradable... is it just a hail mary for vault?

ofc there is a reaosn . 20 offers max GV rewards 19s doesnt.

so its natural people want to do only 20s as 19s are pointless unless you need more score.

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i feel like with this in mind theres no point in keeping 19s around just get rind of them imo its like getting the shittest key possible on any difficulty that no1 wants to run....

just remove the possibility to get a +1 from doing a 18 either a 18 goes to a 20 a 21 or a 17 simple

its a complete bs that nobody wants to do 19s too.

plenty of people want to do it. people with like 2400-2500 score who hunt for more score.

what OP really is mad about is that there is no 3k people wanting to carry him in his 19s only he needs to do genuine progress