Seasonal pool: Next playable race. what are the possibilities?

[Santandame]

What? They are as primitive as the trolls, having Witch Doctors and Shadow Hunters. And we, currently, can play as trolls. They're not nearly on the same level as murlocs, for instance, being able to communicate and having a culture.



I don't get the hype around Tuskarr, but at least they are not a joke race like the Dracthyr, actually possessing a culture based on the Inuits and Moai islands.

They are much more primitive than the Darkspears.

[username993720]

They are much more primitive than the Darkspears.

Not by much i'd say. They are as tribal as the Horde races, adorning themselves in tusks, skulls and feathers. They'd make an excellent Witch Doctor\Shadow Hunter race.

[Santandame]

Not by much i'd say. They are as tribal as the Horde races, adorning themselves in tusks, skulls and feathers. They'd make an excellent Witch Doctor\Shadow Hunter race.

I’d be a fan of seeing them as an allied race, don’t get me wrong. I just don’t see how they would fit. They’re extremely xenophobic, no race knows their language, and they can only communicate with us through a small number of specific words. Not only that, but they’re known to steal Orc children and eat them.

I just don’t see a world they’re accepted into the Horde or where they’d even fit. The only way I see them joining, is if when they entered Azeroth in BfA, they were exposed to either Azerite or Kaja’mite, greatly increasing their intelligence. But this would also radically transform how they look too, as seen with the Goblins - at which point they would cease to be the Saberon we know, and become something completely different.

I just think a feline race similar to Khajit, but a lot more regal and advanced, is the sort of race that would drive high player interest.

[Skytotem]

I don't get the hype around Tuskarr, but at least they are not a joke race like the Dracthyr, actually possessing a culture based on the Inuits and Moai islands.

Eh, the Dracthyr aren't a joke, they just... skewed way too much focus onto the visage form customizations being on humans/elves, instead of having orc/dwarf/etc customizations

They also should've had the dracthyr bodytype be closer to the drakonid, and not so slim.

[username993720]

I’d be a fan of seeing them as an allied race, don’t get me wrong. I just don’t see how they would fit. They’re extremely xenophobic, no race knows their language, and they can only communicate with us through a small number of specific words. Not only that, but they’re known to steal Orc children and eat them.

I just don’t see a world they’re accepted into the Horde or where they’d even fit. The only way I see them joining, is if when they entered Azeroth in BfA, they were exposed to either Azerite or Kaja’mite, greatly increasing their intelligence. But this would also radically transform how they look too, as seen with the Goblins - at which point they would cease to be the Saberon we know, and become something completely different.

I just think a feline race similar to Khajit, but a lot more regal and advanced, is the sort of race that would drive high player interest.

Dude, the Horde has accepted the previously cannibal trolls. I don't think they're that primitive that they can't even speak. I don't know about the xenophobic part. Night elves were too at some point.

Eh, the Dracthyr aren't a joke, they just... skewed way too much focus onto the visage form customizations being on humans/elves, instead of having orc/dwarf/etc customizations

They also should've had the dracthyr bodytype be closer to the drakonid, and not so slim.

Can you tell me anything about their culture? They don't really have one, because they popped out of thin air to satisfy a community of FFXIV lovers.

[Alanar]

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I don't get the hype around Tuskarr, but at least they are not a joke race like the Dracthyr, actually possessing a culture based on the Inuits and Moai islands.

Also not sure, the hype was shortlived, but they wont pull an expansion nor do they have much going on forthemselves. To each and their own, but i am off opinion that they will not be played by alot. Just like the pandaren, just a clunky looking race, ugly in transmog etc.

[Santandame]

Dude, the Horde has accepted the previously cannibal trolls. I don't think they're that primitive that they can't even speak. I don't know about the xenophobic part. Night elves were too at some point.



Can you tell me anything about their culture? They don't really have one, because they popped out of thin air to satisfy a community of FFXIV lovers.

Last I checked, Darkspears hadn’t ever kidnapped Orc (the Horde’s chief race) children and ate them, like the Saberon were doing on Draenor.

I’m not saying they can’t speak. I’m saying that no race knows the language they speak, and outside of what two? Saberon followers in the Garrison, who could only speak basic words, no one has been able to communicate with them. And once again, outside of the two aforementioned Garrison followers, the Saberon have never expressed any willing whatsoever to communicate with us, or any other races.

Yes, the Night Elves were xenophobic at one point. But they were also a clearly advanced and competent race, in line with the other playable races. They had also cooperated with other races on several occasions, and their xenophobia was borne from several tragic events in their history which fractured their heir people.

They are in no way comparable to Saberon. A race that is outwardly hostile to every race that isn’t Saberon, who have shown zero desire to cooperate with any other race previously - so why would they know, and finally a race that takes part in the kidnapping of children and eating them.

It seems like you can’t see past your bias. There is no way whatsoever that they would fit in either faction as a playable race. Just because they are tribalistic and savage, does not mean that they should join the Horde. The Horde aren’t together because of they’re tribalistic and savage. They’re a group of misunderstood outcasts who have banded together, with some of the Horde races sharing the same ideals of being honourable and in tune with nature, with others not sharing those traits but still being misunderstood outcasts that the world has shunned.

Using that logic, the Troggs should be granted entry into the Horde because they too are tribalistic and savage, as well as having classes and magic such as shamans, primalists and witch doctors. Do you think the Troggs would fit in the Horde? No because they have limited intelligence, are extremely primitive, and extremely hostile. Much like Saberon, they do not fit with what we currently have as playable races. Every scenario we’ve seen of Saberon, they have been comparable to how Troggs have acted towards us. The only Horde the Saberon would fit, would be the concept of the Mongrel Horde that, ironically, was originally planned for WoD. Troggs, Kobolds, Quillboar and Gnolls. Saberon act just like those.

The only way Saberon could possibly fit in with the player races were, if like I said before, they got a similar deal to the Goblins, where they are exposed to a substance such as Kaja’mite or Azerite; which would greatly enhance their intelligence. But once again, this wouldn’t just alter their intelligence, but their appearance, their mentality etc. They would totally cease to be the Saberon we already know. At which point, it goes against what you’re saying because we wouldn’t be getting current Saberon as playable, of which you’re advocating for.

[username993720]

Last I checked, Darkspears hadn’t ever kidnapped Orc (the Horde’s chief race) children and ate them, like the Saberon were doing on Draenor.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Cen...annibalism.jpg

They might be joining the Horde after Dragonflight updated their models and backstory (even though not the same tribe of Centaur).

I’m not saying they can’t speak. I’m saying that no race knows the language they speak, and outside of what two? Saberon followers in the Garrison, who could only speak basic words, no one has been able to communicate with them. And once again, outside of the two aforementioned Garrison followers, the Saberon have never expressed any willing whatsoever to communicate with us, or any other races.

I'm not aware of a special language they have.

They are in no way comparable to Saberon. A race that is outwardly hostile to every race that isn’t Saberon, who have shown zero desire to cooperate with any other race previously - so why would they know, and finally a race that takes part in the kidnapping of children and eating them.

Because they are now in Azeroth and might be needing allies?

It seems like you can’t see past your bias. There is no way whatsoever that they would fit in either faction as a playable race. Just because they are tribalistic and savage, does not mean that they should join the Horde. The Horde aren’t together because of they’re tribalistic and savage. They’re a group of misunderstood outcasts who have banded together, with some of the Horde races sharing the same ideals of being honourable and in tune with nature, with others not sharing those traits but still being misunderstood outcasts that the world has shunned.

You don't see the potential. A feline race that can be every big cat out there. Lion? Check. Tiger? Check. Panther? Check. Snow leopard? Check. It's ideal.

Using that logic, the Troggs should be granted entry into the Horde because they too are tribalistic and savage, as well as having classes and magic such as shamans, primalists and witch doctors. Do you think the Troggs would fit in the Horde? No because they have limited intelligence, are extremely primitive, and extremely hostile. Much like Saberon, they do not fit with what we currently have as playable races. Every scenario we’ve seen of Saberon, they have been comparable to how Troggs have acted towards us. The only Horde the Saberon would fit, would be the concept of the Mongrel Horde that, ironically, was originally planned for WoD. Troggs, Kobolds, Quillboar and Gnolls. Saberon act just like those.

Troggs are dumb as a nail and don't possess much of a culture. They don't seem tribal to me, just primal.

The only way Saberon could possibly fit in with the player races were, if like I said before, they got a similar deal to the Goblins, where they are exposed to a substance such as Kaja’mite or Azerite; which would greatly enhance their intelligence. But once again, this wouldn’t just alter their intelligence, but their appearance, their mentality etc. They would totally cease to be the Saberon we already know. At which point, it goes against what you’re saying because we wouldn’t be getting current Saberon as playable, of which you’re advocating for.

They don't need an intelligence boost. Ogres were once dumb as a log. Well, what about now? They're based on ancient romans. I don't see where you get the low intelligence from, like they're some kind of Murlocs.

[Skytotem]

Can you tell me anything about their culture? They don't really have one, because they popped out of thin air to satisfy a community of FFXIV lovers.

Eh, that's a bit of a criticism of them being "made" and in stasis so long

I'd say their culture is militaristic, disciplined, but curious.

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They don't need an intelligence boost. Ogres were once dumb as a log. Well, what about now? They're based on ancient romans. I don't see where you get the low intelligence from, like they're some kind of Murlocs.

I think moving away from "dumb" being a trait for entire species is a good thing, forces them to get more creative

[username993720]

Eh, that's a bit of a criticism of them being "made" and in stasis so long

I'd say their culture is militaristic, disciplined, but curious.

I'd say that even allied races have more to them than these guys.

[Skytotem]

I'd say that even allied races have more to them than these guys.

That's a bit subjective on how much of the rest of dragon lore you consider a part of Dracthyr, a few of the dracthyr unique quests have felt like outlines of what the rest of the races should get for more depth and insight into how they behave as a culture, like the one with the prisoner and the horn signet and such.