Will Augmentation become the dominant Evoker spec?

[Itori]

Blizzard devs did what they always do with new classes or specs. They overtune it to where its too op and make us wait till the next major content patch or next expansion before they nerf it into the ground.

[Leadfoot352]

I'm just sitting here, waiting for them to announce 11.0 has a dedicated support role, and you'll need 1 in every 5 man dungeon queue, and they take pure DPS class's specs away to turn them into support.

And it'll be the best change they've made.

[bloodmoth13]

Are we pretending there isn't a meta, here? Seriously? You've always been "told" which spec you're allowed to play. The trick is to find a fitting guild.



1: So first they're so darn good everyone is going to be forced to play it, and now it "requires" an insurmountable level of cordination? Which is it, my guy? Is everyone going to be forced to play the support spec or are they too hard for anybody to play correctly?

Give me a break. Personally, I enjoy higher skill ceilings and I don't think Blizzard should design specs based around your particular skill level if aug comes across as too difficult. Healers and tanks have to coordinate with each other and others in their own role, on the fly, every encounter. Ya definitely sound like you play exclusively dps.



2: Neither of those things are mutually exclusive, they're just both things you need to consider while balancing.



3: Jesus dude it's not one guy balancing the entire class system.




4: We should probably get rid of tanks because if one dies it often means the entire attempt is fucked.



5: Arm-chair developer at its finest.

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I don't even really disagree with the over-arching conversation going on here, but this was just bad take after bad take after bad take, hooooly.

Not a single good take from anything in your reply

1: I addressed this in the next thing I said, the floor is combined with other players along with the ceiling, if it's average for the best it's crap for the worst, if it's good for the worst it's OP for the best there is no middle ground if you don't understand this you have no business replying.

The aevoker output is multiplied by a coefficient of the other players. It's not a matter of the aug evoker being high skill ceiling or low, your ego is irrelevant here, it's a matter of the interaction between the aug doing well, the ally doing well and both doing well at the same time. Even if the ally plays perfectly for his spec he might play wrong with the augvokers buffs diminishing the value of the augvokers. Does the evoker get balanced around mid output, high output or low? Can't be balanced around all 3.

There are too many variables, and blizz have a hard enough time balancing classes that do independent damage, if they can't balance singular specs well they will never succeed in balancing a spec that triples their work

2: yes they are your wrong
3: no shit, and with the team they have they struggle to get balance, augvokers throws a spanner in their machine and forces specs to consider augvokers synergy such as the unholy dks recent changes, the spec isn't being balanced in a vacuum now which they already struggle with they are also balanced with support in mind don't be dense.

4: comparing apples to orangutans, I made a point and you make some completely unrelated argument and strut around like you won something. The point I made and the other guy made is that if a dps dies the team loses the dps value AND the aug value while if the aug dies you only lose the aug value, try to actually understand the argument before ignorantly replying your embarrassing

5: where am I wrong? If your going to act smug back yourself or shut up, even with clear logs the balance team still has a hard time balancing as there are already hundreds of moving parts, throw in external damage buffs and now you have to consider exponential edge cases that weren't there.
You clearly don't have a clue about anything your talking about so why do you even bother to reply?

If you can't come back with any proper arguments or talk without acting like a smug prick don't reply, I'm happy to argue points but I'll just block you if I get more low value smug snarky comments like the crap you just pulled.

[Teriz]

Interesting how much this poll has changed since I started it. I suppose my hunch was correct. It will be interesting how this poll looks by the end of the expansion. I expect the "yes" column to dominate unless the spec gets heavily nerfed in 10.2.

[Sondrelk]

Interesting how much this poll has changed since I started it. I suppose my hunch was correct. It will be interesting how this poll looks by the end of the expansion. I expect the "yes" column to dominate unless the spec gets heavily nerfed in 10.2.

I imagine it will also depend on potential new Support specs. M+ comps especially are where Augvokers shine, and you don't have space for more than one in each group.

Personally I also think that while Augvoker is good, it's also slightly artificially boosted in numbers by Devastation being so poorly designed. A better Devastation spec should probably make Augmentation less popular.

[Vaedan]

I imagine it will also depend on potential new Support specs. M+ comps especially are where Augvokers shine, and you don't have space for more than one in each group.

Personally I also think that while Augvoker is good, it's also slightly artificially boosted in numbers by Devastation being so poorly designed. A better Devastation spec should probably make Augmentation less popular.

It also heavily depends on what specs are currently meta. Right now, Augvokers blended smoothly alongside highly sought after specs, which made it more valuable. If meta shifts more towards specs which are not that great combo with Augvoker, it's potential will decrease.

Also, there will still be Prevokers who are entirely different story, as they fill different role.