Aug evokers and the communities uninformed bias

[Utrrabbit]

This is to the community as a whole when looking at aug DPS through meters ingame atm. Do not trust them. The meters have not been updated to properly show the augs ebon might DPS. If you want to see the DPS of augvokers atm use WCL as it is calculating it better.

Average DPS currently for augvoker on Mythic is 160-200k. Hopefully it gets fixed by the addon community in the next week or so.

[Tech614]

Hopefully it gets fixed by the addon community in the next week or so.

There is nothing for the addons to fix. How many times does it need to be said blizzard only included hooks for this in advanced combat logging which addons have no access to only actual logs will show it. This is completely intentional, blizzard wants it to show as your friends DPS being buffed on in game meters. They said this in interviews 100 times before the patch and people still act like surprised pikachu face when it happened and talk about "fixing" it.

[Utrrabbit]

There is nothing for the addons to fix. How many times does it need to be said blizzard only included hooks for this in advanced combat logging which addons have no access to only actual logs will show it. This is completely intentional, blizzard wants it to show as your friends DPS being buffed on in game meters. They said this in interviews 100 times before the patch and people still act like surprised pikachu face when it happened and talk about "fixing" it.

Are you literally uninforned. Blizzard LITERALLY posted saying that ebon might should be calculated as the augs dps NOT the groups.

They posted saying they are working to allow meters and wcl to properly show it.

[Tech614]

Are you literally uninforned. Blizzard LITERALLY posted saying that ebon might should be calculated as the augs dps NOT the groups.

They posted saying they are working to allow meters and wcl to properly show it.

My dude, they said they would add hooks for logs to show, which they did. This is a classic you read something you didn't understand and made some bullshit conclusion.

The intent was never for addons to show it, only for logs to show it so augs could judge their performance easier.

[Mysterymask]

Eh it will all pass come world first time and method uses like 3 of them

[Gaidax]

Average DPS currently for augvoker on Mythic is 160-200k.

And what do you base it off given much of the logging is broken? Simulationcraft and feels?

It's pretty simple, people can't properly measure the spec's contribution and for all anyone knows people playing it may be just sitting there memeing. So pugs don't take the unnecessary risk and simply get in what is already proven to work and not some fresh off the oven spec nobody knows how to play that may or may not be good bottom line.

[klaps_05]

This wont be resolved unless details! addon is fixed. Nobody is gonna go through live logs to see what you are doing, let alone interpret it.

[Hitei]

And what do you base it off given much of the logging is broken? Simulationcraft and feels?

Why would you need to base it on feel? You can see the objective numeric difference between the DPS you normally do on most runs and the DPS you do in a party with one.

Just because meters don't accurately credit the extra damage to the evoker doesn't mean it's not showing up at all.

[Teriz]

Eh it will all pass come world first time and method uses like 3 of them

Exactly this. The simple truth is that Augvokers make content go a lot smoother.

[Tech614]

This wont be resolved unless details! addon is fixed.

There is nothing for details to fix. Only advanced combat logging has access to the hooks, this is deliberately done by blizzard. Stop acting like the addon authors have to "fix" something that isn't broken.

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And what do you base it off given much of the logging is broken?

Logging is not fully accurate yet(specifically when playing with Demo/BM/Unholy since pet damage is not properly attributed back in logs) but it's also not broken. Details is not logging, if you're talking about that. Warcraft logs has full access to the hooks and is pretty accurately showing aug contribution.

[Rogfaroth]

You don't need to wait for world first, just look at the m+ comps that have finished the highest keys...

[Mysterymask]

You don't need to wait for world first, just look at the m+ comps that have finished the highest keys...

I think even then Aug Evokers are just going to be a bad pug class in general

If you got 2 bad DPS the Aug is just going to make them slightly below average. I highly doubt 1 good Aug can carry 2 bad pug DPS. Add in even if those things happen the average player is so numbers based they aren't going to care that the other 2 are doing an extra 40% they are going to see the Aug slapping the enemies like a wet noodle.

[Rogfaroth]

I don't disagree that's what's going to happen when people actually run keys but the community perception will probably still favour augs if the top keeps looking like this

[Relapses]

I love Aug Evokers but this is easily one of the worst things Blizzard has ever done for balance in the game. I don't really mind that zero-brained mongoloids are yeeting Aug Evokers for bad DPS -- that's barely a concern when they're so invaluable for push comps that they've straight-up invalidated half the specs in the game. So it's bad on both ends: The bad players think it sucks because they can't be bothered to understand how the spec works and it's so good at the higher level that it essentially removed a third DPS slot from every group comp. There's only so much Blizzard can accomplish with tuning and this isn't one of those things that tuning can realistically fix. I hope Blizzard learns from this and just makes Aug a full-on DPS spec like Dev by the time 11.0 comes out.

[Foolicious]

Eh it will all pass come world first time and method uses like 3 of them

2 seem to be planned by every guild i have talked to. 3 depends on how tuning turns out on new tier. You still want your 1 or 2 free slots filled with eventual fotm op specs that may be better than bringing a third evoker.

[Gimlix]

This is to the community as a whole when looking at aug DPS through meters ingame atm. Do not trust them. The meters have not been updated to properly show the augs ebon might DPS. If you want to see the DPS of augvokers atm use WCL as it is calculating it better.

Average DPS currently for augvoker on Mythic is 160-200k. Hopefully it gets fixed by the addon community in the next week or so.

Casuals just not knowing the playstyle of a certain spec, don't blame an addon.

[lordjust]

This wont be resolved unless details! addon is fixed. Nobody is gonna go through live logs to see what you are doing, let alone interpret it.

There is nothing to fix in add-ons. Blizzard deliberately only added hooks for the advanced combat logs because you need some computation to calculate how much dps from the buffed people is the result of the augs buffs. They don't want your game to start lagging because you use a dps meter and have an aug in your group.

They explained all of that weeks ago and also did an interview with warcraftlogs where they again explained how it works and how they worked together with warcraftlogs to be able to calculate how much dps should be attributed to the aug.

In addition the cumunity council did an interview with Ion where he again said that in-game add-ons won't be able to display the "true" dps of the aug and they will probably always be dead last in dps meters behind tanks and healer but he hopes that the community will realize (through RWF, MDI and streamers) that aug is good and that you probably want to have one in your group.

[Engal]

This is to the community as a whole when looking at aug DPS through meters ingame atm. Do not trust them. The meters have not been updated to properly show the augs ebon might DPS. If you want to see the DPS of augvokers atm use WCL as it is calculating it better.

Average DPS currently for augvoker on Mythic is 160-200k. Hopefully it gets fixed by the addon community in the next week or so.

This is not a Augmentation issue tbh .

The " interrupt issue " is also there when -for example - you do AOE stun or fear - not displaying as interrupt, to be called out for " having less interrupted than other players "

People should just stop looking at DPS meters and whatever as gospell.

[Eazy]

That's actually a good indication if the group is good or not.

Good groups doesn't care.
Bad groups are looking at Evoker DPS on the addons and are mad because they are newbies.

[Peacemoon]

Problem with Aug Evokers in 5 man content is if you lose a dps, or heaven forbid both other dps, and just left with the tank, healer and Aug Evoker, then goodluck killing anything.
In raids it won’t have the same problem.

Having said that if you look at Subcreation Aug Evokers are S tier - just depends what type of group they’re in.

In my mind the delta between good and bad is just huge.