Aug evokers and the communities uninformed bias

[Nerph-]

As someone who isn't amazingballs at the game, I've been playing aug evoker to buff the actual good dps in my group. Just did some low keys and watching the tank and other dps melt everything is quite satisfying However our tank (guildie of mine) vastly overgeared these keys, so I can imagine if your dps (and possibly tank) are not great, that then buffing them with aug evoker won't exactly do much.

[netherflame]

This is to the community as a whole when looking at aug DPS through meters ingame atm. Do not trust them. The meters have not been updated to properly show the augs ebon might DPS. If you want to see the DPS of augvokers atm use WCL as it is calculating it better.

Average DPS currently for augvoker on Mythic is 160-200k. Hopefully it gets fixed by the addon community in the next week or so.

Players asked for a support class, stop crying about it especially when you dont understand it

[Flame6]

Sounds like Blizzard has tuned them to make them required. Sucks. Now its 1 Tank, 1 Heal, 2 DPS, and 1 support. DPS queues are gonna get even longer!

[Nerph-]

Players asked for a support class, stop crying about it especially when you dont understand it

I don't think he's crying about a support class being added, more that some people expect them to be doing decent DPS on the meters when that wont be the case.

[netherflame]

I don't think he's crying about a support class being added, more that some people expect them to be doing decent DPS on the meters when that wont be the case.

This is how support classes work, IMO all this really did is show people how cluless they are to the actual mechanics of this game.

[Geckoo]

They are a support, anyone who understands this kind of roles knows that they'll be dealing less damage and has no issue at all with that. But for all that matters the game treats them as any other DPS, there is no support category or support slot for queues, so people who don't know enough about the spec finds themselves in a group with someone classified as DPS doing the same damage as a healer without noticing that their own damage is higher than usual.

I can blame ignorant players who kick others before asking why the low damage, but i can't blame them for not knowing about how a specific spec works when the game is telling them that they are a DPS. So i don't think this is a community issue as much as it is a lack of in-game elements to support the support.

[Nymrohd]

I love Aug Evokers but this is easily one of the worst things Blizzard has ever done for balance in the game. I don't really mind that zero-brained mongoloids are yeeting Aug Evokers for bad DPS -- that's barely a concern when they're so invaluable for push comps that they've straight-up invalidated half the specs in the game. So it's bad on both ends: The bad players think it sucks because they can't be bothered to understand how the spec works and it's so good at the higher level that it essentially removed a third DPS slot from every group comp. There's only so much Blizzard can accomplish with tuning and this isn't one of those things that tuning can realistically fix. I hope Blizzard learns from this and just makes Aug a full-on DPS spec like Dev by the time 11.0 comes out.

I wish blizzard would just consider changing the base group to 6 people. Healer scaling could be slightly increased to favor 6 man groups and then you'd really improve balance, improve the meta and add space for more specs like Augmentation in the future. But it is probably impossible to do since group size is probably hard coded and not negotiable.

[Relapses]

I wish blizzard would just consider changing the base group to 6 people. Healer scaling could be slightly increased to favor 6 man groups and then you'd really improve balance, improve the meta and add space for more specs like Augmentation in the future. But it is probably impossible to do since group size is probably hard coded and not negotiable.

I'm not sure it is. Observers in the MDI/TGP are just GMs flying around as a 6th/7th player in a raid group.

[Dirtycurt425]

Problem with Aug Evokers in 5 man content is if you lose a dps, or heaven forbid both other dps, and just left with the tank, healer and Aug Evoker, then goodluck killing anything.
In raids it won’t have the same problem.

Having said that if you look at Subcreation Aug Evokers are S tier - just depends what type of group they’re in.

In my mind the delta between good and bad is just huge.

How would you loss both dps...if they quit mid key you are screwed anyway so you argument is pointless. We literally had a dps DC after the first boss of an 18 and still +2 the key with just tank, healer, dps and me as AUG. You severely underestimate the utility and survivability that AUG brings to the table. Because not only did we still +2 they key nobody even died once or came close to dying and I was 430ilvl as AUG that just switched 2 days before that so I was brand new to the spec too.

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This is how support classes work, IMO all this really did is show people how cluless they are to the actual mechanics of this game.

THIS game??? WoW has never had a support class like this so if anyone is clueless about THIS game it is you. Of course people won't understand how a spec that has never been in the game since it came out works. Especially if they are your average player that doesn't revolve their life around learning and knowing everything about every class, spec and detail of the game. And some people have never played any other MMO besides WoW. So to make that assumption you did just show's how "clueless" you are. It's mind boggling that people like you actually think and say stuff like this.

[Donald Hellscream]

Once people realize that their numbers are only that high because someone else is buffing them to the gills, and not because they overnight became magnitudes better at their class the perspective is gonna change, in fact it does already seem that people have come around to notice how much of a boon they are despite the low personal dps, only the brain rotted knuckledraggers have yet to come around.

[Teriz]

Evoker
Augmentation
Spatial Paradox now increases the range of melee spells for Paladins, Monks, and Druids. It now also increases the radius of Ancient Teachings and Stampeding Roar while it is active.

Augvokers are about to get a lot more love from groups.

[netherflame]

How would you loss both dps...if they quit mid key you are screwed anyway so you argument is pointless. We literally had a dps DC after the first boss of an 18 and still +2 the key with just tank, healer, dps and me as AUG. You severely underestimate the utility and survivability that AUG brings to the table. Because not only did we still +2 they key nobody even died once or came close to dying and I was 430ilvl as AUG that just switched 2 days before that so I was brand new to the spec too.

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THIS game??? WoW has never had a support class like this so if anyone is clueless about THIS game it is you. Of course people won't understand how a spec that has never been in the game since it came out works. Especially if they are your average player that doesn't revolve their life around learning and knowing everything about every class, spec and detail of the game. And some people have never played any other MMO besides WoW. So to make that assumption you did just show's how "clueless" you are. It's mind boggling that people like you actually think and say stuff like this.

This is the NPC take, just like people think Auggy is a bad spec. The whole issue centers around how poorly the causal andys "understand" this game

[Raidoser]

THIS game??? WoW has never had a support class like this so if anyone is clueless about THIS game it is you. Of course people won't understand how a spec that has never been in the game since it came out works. Especially if they are your average player that doesn't revolve their life around learning and knowing everything about every class, spec and detail of the game. And some people have never played any other MMO besides WoW. So to make that assumption you did just show's how "clueless" you are. It's mind boggling that people like you actually think and say stuff like this.

The people you describe should look at themselves in the mirror if they're too dumb or lazy to see on the launcher there is a new patch and to simply read that patch note, you don't need to have a doctorate for that.