What Playable Race do you want next?

[Antbregante]

The little mushroom guys. From the later expansions not Sporeggar

[username993720]

please define woke

Today's society.

[Rocksteady 87]

Today's society.

aka "I saw a person with skin darker than me!" or "I saw a woman who wasn't barefoot and in the kitchen!" Or best of all, "I'm obsessed with that person's genitals, but they're the one who's the problem not me!"

[tromage2]

please define woke

If i define it i will get banned by MMO champions. That is result of the woke culture.
Woke made sure that modern people live in a politic correct bubble till they get in the work place with people of different generations and then they are sick of stressed out because they cant handle reality anymore biological and mentally. And because of woke culture the western world will start to break down and the eastern world like asia are rising since they dont take part in this woke movement they still value reality and that you need to become the best human being you can possible be and work hard to become successful instead of in the west that tell childeren they can be a cat or a unicorn and even support their behavior.

[Rocksteady 87]

If i define it i will get banned by MMO champions. That is result of the woke culture.
Woke made sure that modern people live in a politic correct bubble till they get in the work place with people of different generations and then they are sick of stressed out because they cant handle reality anymore biological and mentally. And because of woke culture the western world will start to break down and the eastern world like asia are rising since they dont take part in this woke movement they still value reality and that you need to become the best human being you can possible be and work hard to become successful instead of in the west that tell childeren they can be a cat or a unicorn and even support their behavior.

Annnnnd the translation above stands.

[Cynical Asshole]

Naga. I don't care about anything else.

[username993720]

aka "I saw a person with skin darker than me!" or "I saw a woman who wasn't barefoot and in the kitchen!" Or best of all, "I'm obsessed with that person's genitals, but they're the one who's the problem not me!"

What?
You're completely off.

[Triceron]

Do 1 headed and 2 headed ogres currently use 2 different skeletons?

Yes they do!

The 2 headed rig has a skeleton that has two heads! What the hell do you think their rig looks like?

Like I said, you're operating on ignorance here. You don:t actually know anything about rigs and models when talking about them. A 2H Ogre would have a different rig than a 1H one, there is no way around that.
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[username993720]

Yes they do!

The 2 headed rig has a skeleton that has two heads! What the hell do you think their rig looks like?

Like I said, you're operating on ignorance here. You don:t actually know anything about rigs and models when talking about them. A 2H Ogre would have a different rig than a 1H one, there is no way around that.

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=77428/im...ok#modelviewer
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=77020/korgall#modelviewer

See if their animations differ.

[Triceron]

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=77428/im...ok#modelviewer
https://www.wowhead.com/npc=77020/korgall#modelviewer

See if their animations differ.

Doesn't matter, because it's not about their animations.

It's about the gear fitting.




Again you're repeating the same ignorant statements here.

Does the 2H Ogre support all types of gear a player using the same skeleton and rig as the 1H Ogre? Answer is no. Can Imperator Mardok wear most gear available in the game? The answer is no. All of the current 2H Ogre clothes in the game are custom designed for the NPC. You could not use Korgall's Clothes on Imperator Mardok's body without custom fitting it.


A second head is not a customization, it is a different body type altogether.

[NineSpine]

If i define it i will get banned by MMO champions. That is result of the woke culture.
Woke made sure that modern people live in a politic correct bubble till they get in the work place with people of different generations and then they are sick of stressed out because they cant handle reality anymore biological and mentally. And because of woke culture the western world will start to break down and the eastern world like asia are rising since they dont take part in this woke movement they still value reality and that you need to become the best human being you can possible be and work hard to become successful instead of in the west that tell childeren they can be a cat or a unicorn and even support their behavior.

Asia is having serious, serious problems, especially Japan and South Korea, with the breakdown of their social fabric because of conservative ideals. Young men have mass resigned from society in Japan and young people aren't interested in relationships anymore. Their economy is stagnating and it is difficult to get people into leadership positions because people feel almost ashamed to be assertive, as they are trained from a young age to be very submissive to management.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

[Triceron]

Asia is having serious, serious problems, especially Japan and South Korea, with the breakdown of their social fabric because of conservative ideals. Young men have mass resigned from society in Japan and young people aren't interested in relationships anymore. Their economy is stagnating and it is difficult to get people into leadership positions because people feel almost ashamed to be assertive, as they are trained from a young age to be very submissive to management.

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

Japan is a peculiar nation in general. Extremely progressive, yet also extremely conservative. Their society is pretty much held back by filial piety. All the people making major decisions for the growth of the nation are all elderly, and the young people have zero say in the matter, so the nation has no good support for budding families while all the resources are poured into appeasing the elders. It's a very messy situation.

China is on the rise however. So are many other smaller Asian countries you generally don't hear about, since industry is actually growing in those nations. It has nothing to do with woke anything of course.

[NineSpine]

Japan is a peculiar nation in general. Extremely progressive, yet also extremely conservative. Their society is pretty much held back by filial piety. All the people making major decisions for the growth of the nation are all elderly, and the young people have zero say in the matter, so the nation has no good support for budding families while all the resources are poured into appeasing the elders. It's a very messy situation.

China is on the rise however. So are many other smaller Asian countries you generally don't hear about, since industry is actually growing in those nations. It has nothing to do with woke anything of course.

China's rise is wildly overstated and relies a lot on the phony economic numbers their government puts out. Of course, they're huge and powerful, but that's a function of their sheer population bloat, not successful policies. They are still struggling to develop a consumer class that can self-sustain, so they are entirely reliant on the consumer classes of other nations.

[Triceron]

China's rise is wildly overstated and relies a lot on the phony economic numbers their government puts out. Of course, they're huge and powerful, but that's a function of their sheer population bloat, not successful policies. They are still struggling to develop a consumer class that can self-sustain, so they are entirely reliant on the consumer classes of other nations.

Well I mean .. that's taking into account that a majority of China's population still consists of rural farmers though. The oer capita is low because the average is spread across a huge population, but the ones progressing the rise of economics are handled by the few not the many in this case.

The biggest thing I see impacting their growth is the one child policy biting them in the ass, when the 'boomers' all retire. It's already starting to happen. And of course the general trend of more women in the workforce, less women making babies seems to apply.

[NineSpine]

Well I mean .. that's taking into account that a majority of China's population still consists of rural farmers though. The oer capita is low because the average is spread across a huge population, but the ones progressing the rise of economics are handled by the few not the many in this case.

The biggest thing I see impacting their growth is the one child policy biting them in the ass, when the 'boomers' all retire. It's already starting to happen. And of course the general trend of more women in the workforce, less women making babies seems to apply.

The USSR also made itself look like an economic powerhouse and an unstoppable superpower.... and then it wasn't. I'm not sure any country can achieve that kind of world leader status without a consumer class, because the nations with consumer classes are always going to trounce them in the long run. They've improved on the command economy model of the USSR and old China, by infusing it with the worst parts of capitalism, but it just doesn't generate the real fundamentals needed.

[username993720]

Doesn't matter, because it's not about their animations.

It's about the gear fitting.




Again you're repeating the same ignorant statements here.

Does the 2H Ogre support all types of gear a player using the same skeleton and rig as the 1H Ogre? Answer is no. Can Imperator Mardok wear most gear available in the game? The answer is no. All of the current 2H Ogre clothes in the game are custom designed for the NPC. You could not use Korgall's Clothes on Imperator Mardok's body without custom fitting it.


A second head is not a customization, it is a different body type altogether.

[Triceron]

Posting pictures of non WoW Player characters doesn't change all the facts I've outlined.

This character has all of its gear custom built for this single NPC. You would not be able to swap his gear onto any other model without custom fitting. Time and resources. This is not a Player Character model that is applicable to WoW, period.

Example - Here is a custom model I created of a Rangari Archer that uses Hanzo's model from Heroes of the Storm.



Doesn't really look like Hanzo at all, right? I can add a bow from WoW, a hood and shoulder parts from reforged Akama, tentacles and legs from reforged Archimonde, and retexture it all to look purple/blue skinned.

And it all requires custom fitting to do so. This uses 100% Hanzo's animations, uses Hanzo's skeleton. But every single piece of armor, every weapon, every changed part, has to be custom fit onto the model. It isn't just 'Equip a hood and it fits on his head' or 'Equip a bow and he wields one'. Everything has to be custom scaled to fit his model and animations.

This process takes time and resources. If this single Hanzo type of character was made a playable character that supports all types of gear, then all gear in WoW has to be made to custom fit the model.

[username993720]

Posting pictures of non WoW Player characters doesn't change all the facts I've outlined.

This character has all of its gear custom built for this single NPC. You would not be able to swap his gear onto any other model without custom fitting. Time and resources. This is not a Player Character model that is applicable to WoW, period.

Example - Here is a custom model I created of a Rangari Archer that uses Hanzo's model from Heroes of the Storm.



Doesn't really look like Hanzo at all, right? I can add a bow from WoW, a hood and shoulder parts from reforged Akama, tentacles and legs from reforged Archimonde, and retexture it all to look purple/blue skinned.

And it all requires custom fitting to do so. This uses 100% Hanzo's animations, uses Hanzo's skeleton. But every single piece of armor, every weapon, every changed part, has to be custom fit onto the model. It isn't just 'Equip a hood and it fits on his head' or 'Equip a bow and he wields one'. Everything has to be custom scaled to fit his model and animations.

This process takes time and resources. If this single Hanzo type of character was made a playable character that supports all types of gear, then all gear in WoW has to be made to custom fit the model.

So, why are you posting this picture:

When it's obviously not going to be the playable model?

[Triceron]

So, why are you posting this picture:

When it's obviously not going to be the playable model?

It's an example of the type of things a playable model would need to address!

You understand I never said ANIMATIONS are the problem, but the GEAR FITTING is, right? That is why a different rig matters. There is no issue with reusing animations, while there is an issue if you tried to have them equip a standard Horned Helmet item.

Merely spacing the heads wouldn't fix the problem, the Helmet itself needs to be scaled accordingly to make sure the horns don't clip into the other head. Many other helmets with such protrustions would need to be addressed. It is a lot of work.



You can see how the Worgen also had to have this addressed. Their helmets are custom fit to their head shape, and they don't just use the same basic helmet model as everyone else. It's not a matter of just 'scaling the head size' and letting it be. The HELMET ITSELF needs to be customized.

[username993720]

It's an example of the type of things a playable model would need to address!

You understand I never said ANIMATIONS are the problem, but the GEAR FITTING is, right? That is why a different rig matters. There is no issue with reusing animations, while there is an issue if you tried to have them equip a standard Horned Helmet item.

Merely spacing the heads wouldn't fix the problem, the Helmet itself needs to be scaled accordingly to make sure the horns don't clip into the other head. Many other helmets with such protrustions would need to be addressed. It is a lot of work.



You can see how the Worgen also had to have this addressed. Their helmets are custom fit to their head shape, and they don't just use the same basic helmet model as everyone else. It's not a matter of just 'scaling the head size' and letting it be. The HELMET ITSELF needs to be customized.

Then, putting a player helmet on an NPC isn't a good example. And, spacing the heads apart would solve the problem because once you fit a helm on one head, it's obviously going to fit on the other.