Considering returning to WoW, would you say it would be me worth doing ?

[WowIsDead64]

So been looking into world of warcraft again with some time to burn, I quit around the time of the dragon flight pre-patch when my sub ran out due to a few reasons.

1) Really bad writing that killed the entire story and lore of WoW, writers self inserting themselves into the game, Sylvanus being a Mary sue, killing off as many male characters as they could replace, the game didn't feel like Warcraft at all and just some depression arc where everyone was just reflecting on literally everything etc. Lore was a big driving factor of me playing in the past.

2) No one talked, there was no community. Everyone just joined a dungeon, ran it, left. Each server had no personality as it was a mix of random servers all thrown together in a melting pot so you never really saw anyone regularly.

3) Trying to learn the game was a nightmare and got abused quite a few times. I played a tank before quitting and some low level mythic dungeons and used to get regularly told to KMS over not knowing the most perfect pull route etc.

4) Didn't feel like anything was worth completing, everything was on a treadmill and was thrown away at the end of an expansion pack. No real character development.

Interested to hear peoples thoughts on Dragon Flight. There is currently a 50% sale on which is why I am so tempted to come back but not sure if it's worth holding out until the next release.

Players, who don't enjoy current FOMO-fest treadmill game design, have just two options:
1) If you're ready to sacrifice all QOL things, including ones, that grant extra motivation to do content (mount, pet, transmog collecting) - play Classic
2) If you want to play Retail - go full casual mode and play 100% soloable or even old content only. But you should clearly understand, that devs intentionally design their game to push such players out of it.

[Soriz]

Thanks for all the useful input, I do enjoy farming mounts, cosmetics, transmog, pets and the likes and world of warcraft does offer all of that for sure. I think that's what's the major pull right now, running the old content and just picking up a few rare things here and there.

Reading into everyone advise it does seem like WoW hasn't changed in terms of story, they have tried to revive it but looking at content creators it's still very much forcing modern politics into it's world. There just isn't a world of warcraft anymore and it's still a game about everyone being really depressed and trying to go to therapy.

However I did find some quite open casual guilds which was advise on here which were advertising and that does seem to solve a lot of the social aspects on the game.

So difficult to know what to do, my hand hovers over the buy button due to the sale but always talk myself out of it and log into Guild wars.

[Utrrabbit]

I came back but seems the new patch content is already dead. No one was helping with dreamsurge rares which was just disheartening.

Game feels so empty.

That stuff is for casual players for a vast majority of players it is not worth doing. However how can you say it is dead. I was at a few drean surges yesterday and I saw at least 300 players each time

[Tyris Flare]

So been looking into world of warcraft again with some time to burn, I quit around the time of the dragon flight pre-patch when my sub ran out due to a few reasons.

1) Really bad writing that killed the entire story and lore of WoW, writers self inserting themselves into the game, Sylvanus being a Mary sue, killing off as many male characters as they could replace, the game didn't feel like Warcraft at all and just some depression arc where everyone was just reflecting on literally everything etc. Lore was a big driving factor of me playing in the past.

2) No one talked, there was no community. Everyone just joined a dungeon, ran it, left. Each server had no personality as it was a mix of random servers all thrown together in a melting pot so you never really saw anyone regularly.

3) Trying to learn the game was a nightmare and got abused quite a few times. I played a tank before quitting and some low level mythic dungeons and used to get regularly told to KMS over not knowing the most perfect pull route etc.

4) Didn't feel like anything was worth completing, everything was on a treadmill and was thrown away at the end of an expansion pack. No real character development.

Interested to hear peoples thoughts on Dragon Flight. There is currently a 50% sale on which is why I am so tempted to come back but not sure if it's worth holding out until the next release.

80% of the people left on this forum are bitter ex-players so you aren't exactly going to get unbiased answers.

The game is fundamentally the same as it has been since Legion. It also costs virtually nothing for a working adult so trying for a month and making your own opinion is probably the safe bet.

[AudibleEscalation]

but looking at content creators it's still very much forcing modern politics into it's world.

my hand hovers over the buy button due to the sale but always talk myself out of it and log into Guild wars.

lol, I don't know what to say man.
Just fucking sub if you feel like playing. Or just play Guild Wars.
It's just a game. It's been about the same game since Legion. It's not going to change radically any time soon.

Don't listen to content creators.
Put on your big boy pants and make up your own mind.
It's not a life shattering choice. Just a game. You can unsub if you don't like it.

[Lolites]

yeah, those are all pretty much the same
... since vanila...

[Osmeric]

80% of the people left on this forum are bitter ex-players

Now now, don't get things wrong. We're spiteful ex-players.

[Biomega]

1) Really bad writing that killed the entire story and lore of WoW

Not quite as bad as Shadowlands, but not really great, either. The current story is ridiculously formulaic and predictable, and while it doesn't quite shit ALL over existing lore, it is still a very low-effort narrative overall. Most characters are insufferable, on all sides.

2) No one talked, there was no community. Everyone just joined a dungeon, ran it, left.

The only time people will talk is to berate you or complain. Nothing's changed about that. PUGs are WoW's version of your own personal hell, just like they always were.

3) Trying to learn the game was a nightmare and got abused quite a few times. I played a tank

Yeah if you're a tank, you're gonna have a bad time. People will expect you to know everything and do everything, and carry their run proactively on your shoulders or you're a baddie that doesn't deserve to exist and so on and so forth in every colorful form of language you can imagine. People will quit and brick your keys, kick you from groups, or just generally berate and abuse you for not knowing everything inside and out from the second you step in there.

Hyperbole, of course, and it's not ACTUALLY that bad on the low levels, but anything in the mid to upper mid ranges is generally a toxic hellhole.

4) Didn't feel like anything was worth completing, everything was on a treadmill and was thrown away at the end of an expansion pack.

I mean yeah, but that's WoW. That's a staple model of the game for a reason - and you're demonstrating that reason. It lets people ACTUALLY come back to the game if they want to, rather than making them feel like they've just missed three years of progression and so they'll never, ever, ever be able to catch up to everyone else. The constant resets level the playing field, and allow people to jump back in very easily and be caught up to a reasonable level in a reasonable amount of time. With all the good and bad that comes with that. That's the game's entire mode of operation, and has been for many years now.

Classic avoids this by simply not having updates anymore, so they don't need to reset. But then, well, you also... don't get updates anymore. If that's more your jam, play Classic.

Interested to hear peoples thoughts on Dragon Flight.

Dragonflight is okay, but it's only okay. It doesn't rock the boat much, it hasn't changed any fundamental paradigms aside from the borrowed power systems of the past few expansions, and it doesn't challenge or innovate on the WoW formula in any way, really. It's mid in pretty much every way - not terrible, not great, just kinda... there. It doesn't really dare much, but it also doesn't fail much. It just kind of trots along in the "WoW is the dungeons and raids game"-paradigm in the most medium and milk-toast way imaginable. No lows, no highs. Or as someone put it on the forums here: it's sufficient. But nothing more.

Wasn't enough for me to get me back in the game. I watch streams here and there, I watch the race and MDI/TGP when they're on, but I'm not playing the game. And nothing I'm seeing each time a new patch rolls around is making me want to play again in any way. It's just the same stuff as before, with nothing fundamentally changed - and so all the things that bored me to death about the game are still there and still boring, and most of the things I didn't like about the game are still there and I still don't like them (though they did improve some things, they also made some things worse so it's a wash for me). The writing is still amateurish and offensively inoffensive and safe, the community is still toxic and entitled, the systems are still antiquated and stuck in the 2010s, and class design is still run by people who have no idea what they're doing (shoutout to all the Windwalkers and Destro Locks and their new tier set bonus, I'm sure you love seeing your devs make the same mistakes for the fifteenth time in a row). It's less egregious and less outrageous than Shadowlands, but that's like saying well the dinner you've served me is no longer swimming in a pool of diarrhea, now there's merely a small turd sitting on my plate. An improvement, technically - but it's still shit and I'm not paying for it.

[danki1337]

What do you expect? Its summer, the 10.1 Raid is over 4 Months old the Dreamsurges are a boring mini event most players dont care about.

Game feels empty, cause less and less people playing it, cause its old, cause young people these days playing different games.

10.2 will get released in ~ 2 Months, right before or after Blizzcon, then u will find enough mates again.

Your realm also is kinda important, if you play on a dead realm you dont see/find many people to do stuff with.

cross realm? we arent classic, besides classic is booming, dota2 is booming, baldurs gate is booming, halls of torment is booming, starfield is booming, path of exile 2 is booming, all record numbers of activity in a "dead season" maybe its just that easy that the game is just not fun and i think 2% or less of playerbase actively raids mythic and is progressing it from latest numbers, besides mythic+ is going down and lower than any other time of the introduction this time of year every year.

[Soriz]

Well decided to give it a shot anyway as had quite a bit of free time and some money in my pocket to burn.

Thoughts so far:
1) I really missed how good WoW's combat feels, after playing other MMO's returning to WoW's style is always a pleasure. Glad to see that's still there and the talent trees are actually fun, I don't follow a Meta just what I think looks fun.

2) Managed to find a casual guild on my first day back, everyone seems super chill. Got the social aspect back and a few people to talk too which feels nice.

3) The first zone the waking shores was actually quite nice, felt like an adventure with the story and felt invested in it, really liked the new flying mount style.
All came crashing down when entering Ohn'ahran. Been skipping the quests as fast as possible the centaur quests are some of the worst I have ever seen. Also noticed quite a few writers patting themselves on the back with the "inclusivity" and "diversity" adds nothing to the story what so ever and completely self inserting themselves again which is a huge shame.

[The Dwarf]

Not much has changed for the better.

[doledippers]

Also noticed quite a few writers patting themselves on the back with the "inclusivity" and "diversity" adds nothing to the story what so ever and completely self inserting themselves again which is a huge shame.

what does this even mean, you saw a gay couple? lmao

[Soriz]

Alrighty, so been back now a few days. Decided to quit.

Leveled up a demon hunter to 70 and decided to play a tank. Did a few mythic+ runs, explored the open world and looked at some of the new systems and just isn't for me. The story feeling meaningless. It's all empty, everyone is always depressed and feels like everyone needs to take a trip to a safe space therapy session after every event that unfolds.

I guess nostalgia reeled me in but not going to stick around. Shame, I have fond memories of the game but the direction it's going just feels off and wrong.

what does this even mean, you saw a gay couple? lmao

Actually, Yes. It was obviously ham fisted into the game and added literally nothing to the story what so ever. It wasn't even a natural moment but obviously thrown in as part of the inclusivity drive and ripped me right out the story line as it was so out of no where.

[doledippers]

Actually, Yes. It was obviously ham fisted into the game and added literally nothing to the story what so ever. It wasn't even a natural moment but obviously thrown in as part of the inclusivity drive and ripped me right out the story line as it was so out of no where.

if seeing a gay person "takes you out of the story" and gets you this worked up I think you just might hate gay people /shrug. Gay people exist and can exist in games without a "reason", grow up

[Mendzia]

1) Really bad writing that killed the entire story and lore of WoW, writers self inserting themselves into the game, Sylvanus being a Mary sue, killing off as many male characters as they could replace, the game didn't feel like Warcraft at all and just some depression arc where everyone was just reflecting on literally everything etc. Lore was a big driving factor of me playing in the past.

In normal company incompetent employees like Danuser would be fired within days.
They are literally losing money keeping him as many people (like me and you) do not want to be part of this horseshit story.

2) No one talked, there was no community. Everyone just joined a dungeon, ran it, left. Each server had no personality as it was a mix of random servers all thrown together in a melting pot so you never really saw anyone regularly.

The only hope is joining guild that you will find people that have similar game view like you.

3) Trying to learn the game was a nightmare and got abused quite a few times. I played a tank before quitting and some low level mythic dungeons and used to get regularly told to KMS over not knowing the most perfect pull route etc.

Yeah... good luck learning all of this shit...

4) Didn't feel like anything was worth completing, everything was on a treadmill and was thrown away at the end of an expansion pack. No real character development.

Since like WoD or MoP there is this shitty 'meta' that you 'are forced' to collect everything.
With every new patch just go and farm new pet, new rep, new mount, new achievement, new daily quests etc
I hate this soulless hamster wheel.

Interested to hear peoples thoughts on Dragon Flight. There is currently a 50% sale on which is why I am so tempted to come back but not sure if it's worth holding out until the next release.

Personally i wouldn't be back even if it is for free (i play Classic so i already have sub).

[kranur]

Now that it seems that next season even LFR will have better gear that current tier's mythic raids, there's absolutely 0 reason to play late season.
But still, you can take advantage of the sale (that also seems to never end at this point) if you plan to play at some point.

[Pinksocking]

I came back but seems the new patch content is already dead. No one was helping with dreamsurge rares which was just disheartening.

Game feels so empty.

ya i wanted to come back and it feels empty

[Soriz]

if seeing a gay person "takes you out of the story" and gets you this worked up I think you just might hate gay people /shrug. Gay people exist and can exist in games without a "reason", grow up

Well, either way I am leaving all the same so you won't have to deal with me in game. Be happy.

Personally i wouldn't be back even if it is for free (i play Classic so i already have sub).

Yeah for sure, I did classic back in the day so not interested in it now. But I guess apathy sums up my feeling towards the game, I simply don't care about anything and maybe it's time to just call it a day on the game and move on.

[Johnjohn]

Maybe try classic. The reasons you quit sound similar to mine, although mine are heavily Mythic + ruining dungeons. But the toxicity and get gud mindset is heavily amplified in mythic +, so really its a similar reason.

If you loved classic WoW, it really was because it was more of a mmorpg. I am not sure what live is other than an edude simulator at this point. I have watched so many videos on so many meatheads convinced they know why the game is in decline, when honestly they are the reason. Excuse is always "well every mmorpg is like this! Suck it up Suzie and take my abuse!". Every game sure as fuck is not like WoW. Yeah there is elitism but its on a minor scale. WoW is the only mmorpg where I am just standing around a city minding my own business and someone just randomly sends me an insult tell on my gear or whatever.

Blizzard has catered towards this for a while now. A bunch of fanboys gushing about how casual friendly Dragonflight is really means nothing to me because they are mostly liars in general. They are constantly saying the game is more casual friendly, even in the middle of Shadowlands. Hardcore players have been doing this forever in mmorpgs in some vain attempt to hide that they are being catered to.

I liked the game when it had one difficulty level and was accessible by pretty much everyone (I could raid molten core in dungeon gear if I wanted and I did not need to be an expert at simon says to be successful there). I have gone back to older Mmorpgs as they are actually now more accessible to me than WOW. The community are more friendly, the gear may come slower but it is more useful for way longer, and most people are not swearing at me for who the fuck knows what reason. No more abortion debates in general chat, its great.

Having said all that, I do feel like WoW Classic is worth your time. I dabbled in it a little bit and enjoyed my time there. Yeah the edude mindset ruins even classic now as the game was way easier than it is now (don't let the edude liars tell you otherwise). But it still brings some nostalgia

[Eeram]

Well, either way I am leaving all the same so you won't have to deal with me in game. Be happy.



Yeah for sure, I did classic back in the day so not interested in it now. But I guess apathy sums up my feeling towards the game, I simply don't care about anything and maybe it's time to just call it a day on the game and move on.

Yeah, ill be honest sounds like the games just not for you anymore. this happens games go different paths then what we enjoy. Best to just Pack it up an call it GG.