Justification for Fel Orcs

[Toho]

.... Mmmmmkay then.

Yeah its not like current day Horde did not try to wipe out the planet or come to very closely eradicating an entire species for the vaguest of reasons... wait a minute....

[Myradin]

I don't see why not.

[Venziir]

Yeah its not like current day Horde did not try to wipe out the planet or come to very closely eradicating an entire species for the vaguest of reasons... wait a minute....

The current day Horde is basically a democratic union with fox people.

[Toho]

The current day Horde is basically a democratic union with fox people.

So... its even worse?

[Grazrug]

The current day Horde is basically a democratic union with fox people.

Blizzard's slim explaination for the new system is to make sure no single person can declare war on the alliance again. That is the purpose of the council.

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Yeah its not like current day Horde did not try to wipe out the planet or come to very closely eradicating an entire species for the vaguest of reasons... wait a minute....

Well if we are monsters in the eyes of Blizzard no matter what we do I rather have the cool parts of it included. That means fel orcs with mutations spikes on their back and big teeth. Lets bring back the metal and rock into the Horde.

[Toho]

Well if we are monsters in the eyes of Blizzard no matter what we do I rather have the cool parts of it included. That means fel orcs with mutations spikes on their back and big teeth. Lets bring back the metal and rock into the Horde.

we? Is this role play?

[Grazrug]

we? Is this role play?

Not at all. But it is hard to see it otherwise post Bfa. Blizzard hammered don on all Horde members being bad people by default.

[Toho]

Not at all. But it is hard to see it otherwise post Bfa. Blizzard hammered don on all Horde members being bad people by default.

How did Blizzard do that?

[Grazrug]

How did Blizzard do that?

The entire Horde army did nothing to stop Sylvanas when she burned Teldrassil.

[Toho]

The entire Horde army did nothing to stop Sylvanas when she burned Teldrassil.

I remember you posting long dead horde villains as the best leaders for the Horde. I thought burning Teldrassil was a good thing for the true Horde or some other some such.

[OCoyne]

Fel orcs on the other hand are crazy bloodthristy ragemonsters.
They are completely incompatible with a normal civilization.

So how do you explain the Shattered Hand Fel Orcs of Outland just chilling out in Orgrimmar acting as the city's Rogue Trainer, or the Fel Orcs who join you in the Legion Rogue Class Hall or the Dragonmaw Clan of Shadowmoon Valley who once rode Netherwing Drakes giving you quests in Twilight Highlands

So everything you've wrote is categorically false.

They've followed their leaders intentions, once they were disposed both clans who were in Outland are now under the Horde banner. Everyone else like Fel Orcs of Hellfire Peninsula and Blades Edge Mountains are now extinct. You literally do a quest for the dead leader of the latter in Blades Edge Mountains.


The real answer to the OP's question that there's that many Orc clans if you're going to make customisation for 1 clan, you'll need to do them all.

Then there's Dragonmaw, Shattered Hand, Blackrock, Frostwolf, Bleeding Hollow, Bonechewer, Burning Blade, Laughing Skull, Mok'Nathal, Stormweaver and Warsong. If we're gonna make customisation for all them then they're going to do the same for all the Dwarf clans and then all the Troll Tribes as they're united in Zandalar nowadays so it's opening a massive tin of worms to the point it's far too much time consuming.

[Arlette]

Yet another thread that's ultimately just complaining about the factions and framing the Horde as some victim for an imaginary reason. Give them red skin orcs, who cares. But as we see from this thread, that wasn't even the point of it. It was to immediately pivot to, for the ten thousandth time, instantly beginning the Horde Victim Complex that you bring up in every single thread.

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Blizzard's slim explaination for the new system is to make sure no single person can declare war on the alliance again. That is the purpose of the council.

Pretty sure its because two out of the three previous Warchiefs went full on evil and allied with objectively evil powers but yeah sure it's because of something something the Alliance.

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The entire Horde army did nothing to stop Sylvanas when she burned Teldrassil.

Your entire fantasy that you post about in every thread is wishing to return to the days of Orc characters whose primary goals were genocide, rape, and planetary conquest.

Please don't sit here now and pretend you have some moral objection to Teldrassil. We all know you don't. You only care insomuch as that it frames the Horde as villains.

You just want to be the objective villains while the plot lets you get away with it and never addresses you as such. You want to be able to see the Orcs murder, rape, pillage, and destroy everybody but make sure that nobody ever tells them that it's bad to do it.

[Grazrug]

Yet another thread that's ultimately just complaining about the factions and framing the Horde as some victim for an imaginary reason. Give them red skin orcs, who cares. But as we see from this thread, that wasn't even the point of it. It was to immediately pivot to, for the ten thousandth time, instantly beginning the Horde Victim Complex that you bring up in every single thread.

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Pretty sure its because two out of the three previous Warchiefs went full on evil and allied with objectively evil powers but yeah sure it's because of something something the Alliance.

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Your entire fantasy that you post about in every thread is wishing to return to the days of Orc characters whose primary goals were genocide, rape, and planetary conquest.

Please don't sit here now and pretend you have some moral objection to Teldrassil. We all know you don't. You only care insomuch as that it frames the Horde as villains.

You just want to be the objective villains while the plot lets you get away with it and never addresses you as such. You want to be able to see the Orcs murder, rape, pillage, and destroy everybody but make sure that nobody ever tells them that it's bad to do it.

No this thread is here because I want to see Fel Orcs being playable.

[mysticx]

How did Blizzard do that?

Seriously?

The Horde followed Sylvanas and did whatever she told them to do (Gleefully, i might add), the Horde members only started thinking for themselves again when Sylvanas told them to get knotted and ran off in her hissy fit.

The Horde's only excuse was the incredibly flimsy "Only following orders"-schtick, but at some point "Let's bury our sins with our leaders"-thing stops being believable, it has now been firmly established that it takes one person yelling "For the Horde!" for the whole lot to go completely berserk... yet again.

[Daronokk]

Man'ari are basically Draenei Warlocks.
They are just as intelligent as they were before corruption.
Even tho their addition to be playable is dumb as fuck (imo) when you break it down they are just red Draenei.

Fel orcs on the other hand are crazy bloodthristy ragemonsters.
They are completely incompatible with a normal civilization.
You can probably cleanse them, I think Grom was cleansed in WC3, but then you just get a normal green orc.

So no, it cannot be done.

According to Warcraft 3 lore you're right.

But in WoW we've killed Magtheridon which should remove the Fel corruption from Outland Fel Orcs and yet many are still seen as red skinned. And we even see some friendly ones around the Dark Portal on Azeroth side, so they are already part of the Horde faction and seem to be less bloodthirsty as you say.

So yes, it is possible.

If Man'ari Draenei are possible than also Fel Orcs. So might as well open up the new skin colour and be done with it.

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The real answer to the OP's question that there's that many Orc clans if you're going to make customisation for 1 clan, you'll need to do them all.

Then there's Dragonmaw, Shattered Hand, Blackrock, Frostwolf, Bleeding Hollow, Bonechewer, Burning Blade, Laughing Skull, Mok'Nathal, Stormweaver and Warsong. If we're gonna make customisation for all them then they're going to do the same for all the Dwarf clans and then all the Troll Tribes as they're united in Zandalar nowadays so it's opening a massive tin of worms to the point it's far too much time consuming.

They could do it step by step. Make a priority list and work on the easiest and most requested things first. Later expansions or patches they could add more if there is still a demand for them.

We've already seen Sand Trolls added by simply adding the brown skin colour. So Fel Orcs should be just as easy. If we want spikes and other customizations we might have to wait for them a bit longer. But it's no reason not to take the first step now.

In the end customizations for races seem to be one of the major hypes still left for people playing and they are rolling these out step by step with each patch. So I bet we eventually will see Forest Trolls, Ice Trolls, Fel Orcs, Dragonmaw Orcs, Blackrock Orcs, Shattered Hand Orcs, Taunka, Yaungol (maybe), etc. Most of these new options don't take a lot of development time. A new skin colour is a few minutes work, but giving them other accessories, hairstyles, spikes, you name it takes a bit longer but still very much possible as long as there is a demand for them.

[Unlimited Power]

The question is, would you be satisfied with "merely" a red skin color on existing orcs? Possibly some fel eye colors to match?

Because that's what Man'ari Eredar customization for Draenei turned out to be, and you can bet Fel Orc customization would be no different.

[steelballfc]

How did Blizzard do that?

You are being shamed in quests if you are playing horde

[Grazrug]

The question is, would you be satisfied with "merely" a red skin color on existing orcs? Possibly some fel eye colors to match?

Because that's what Man'ari Eredar customization for Draenei turned out to be, and you can bet Fel Orc customization would be no different.

With the Eredar toy they put in effort. Fel Orcs fanrasy wouldn't be perfect If it isn't the model that has growing mutation on the back.

[Unlimited Power]

With the Eredar toy they put in effort. Fel Orcs fanrasy wouldn't be perfect If it isn't the model that has growing mutation on the back.

The Eredar Toy is not what players got for draenei customization. You can't compare what you want with the effort Blizzard is realistically willing to put into customization options for existing races.

If you get fel orc customizations for orcs it'll be a color palette swap for their skin and possibly eyes, maybe even a hair color or two if you're lucky.

[Garymorilix]

So how do you explain the Shattered Hand Fel Orcs of Outland just chilling out in Orgrimmar acting as the city's Rogue Trainer, or the Fel Orcs who join you in the Legion Rogue Class Hall or the Dragonmaw Clan of Shadowmoon Valley who once rode Netherwing Drakes giving you quests in Twilight Highlands

So everything you've wrote is categorically false.

They've followed their leaders intentions, once they were disposed both clans who were in Outland are now under the Horde banner. Everyone else like Fel Orcs of Hellfire Peninsula and Blades Edge Mountains are now extinct. You literally do a quest for the dead leader of the latter in Blades Edge Mountains.


The real answer to the OP's question that there's that many Orc clans if you're going to make customisation for 1 clan, you'll need to do them all.

Then there's Dragonmaw, Shattered Hand, Blackrock, Frostwolf, Bleeding Hollow, Bonechewer, Burning Blade, Laughing Skull, Mok'Nathal, Stormweaver and Warsong. If we're gonna make customisation for all them then they're going to do the same for all the Dwarf clans and then all the Troll Tribes as they're united in Zandalar nowadays so it's opening a massive tin of worms to the point it's far too much time consuming.

I entertained your bullshit for a second.

There is not a single Fel Orc in the Rogue order hall and the rogue trainer in Orgrimmar is not a Fel Orc either.

I don't know where you came up with this feverdream.