[Official] Amirdrassil, The Dream's Hope Race to World First

[Delever]

PR Disaster? What was it?

its been a while since it happened but I mean like method-josh and the stuff with anniefuchsia and the CEO of Method.
This had followed them for a while and all the good players left to form Echo with Sco basically left behind to rebuild the brand from scratch.

[gobarj]

In the end, this boss will go down easily with upgraded gear.
It's sad to see that after all those pulls and strategies and what so ever, Blizzard made everything come to whoever gets a gear upgrade first - kills it first.

Gear is not an issue for this boss, I can see two/three things happening:

1. Less seeds / more defined pattern
2. More time to soak seeds
3. Possibly the inability to soak more than one seed (even by accident).

Everything other than seeds is tuned OK, it's just the seeds making this a nightmare.

[SoLoR1]

People that think extra reset will make tswift fall easy think again, they vantus runed tswift, they wont vantused it next reset, so gear advantage is gone. I think guilds will need a minimum full day of prog after reclear...

[Nymrohd]

People that think extra reset will make tswift fall easy think again, they vantus runed tswift, they wont vantused it next reset, so gear advantage is gone. I think guilds will need a minimum full day of prog after reclear...

They might kill him today and beyond that the gear advantage is quite significant. It's not just Vault and multiple boss clears, it is also all the crests and an extra crafted item.

[Tech614]

People that think extra reset will make tswift fall easy think again, they vantus runed tswift, they wont vantused it next reset, so gear advantage is gone. I think guilds will need a minimum full day of prog after reclear...

Do you even play this game if you think vantus = vault, reclears, 90 more wyrm and aspects, and an extra crafted item?

[Delever]

Echo losing their disc priest in this fight has hurt their prog a lot.

[SeIex]

Do you even play this game if you think vantus = vault, reclears, 90 more wyrm and aspects, and an extra crafted item?

There are plenty of people that still watch the RWF despite no longer actively playing the game, including myself. So the answer is probably yes.

[Baraden]

Echo losing their disc priest in this fight has hurt their prog a lot.

They've just had their three best attempts ever though

[Jolly Roger]

Aren't we also getting the Catalyst week 1, or am I misremembering? Seems unlikely they'd do LFR splits. But who knows, I guess.

they wont do lfr split
even in my guild half of the group are set to have 4 set after reset so i imagine it would be more for them
also no trinkets are worth that ilvl drop

we will definitely see a couple heroic splits but they have to reclear quickly

[Delever]

They've just had their three best attempts ever though

that is true they are now getting back into the flow but it took multiple wipes to get adjusted

[Sydrache]

they wont do lfr split
even in my guild half of the group are set to have 4 set after reset so i imagine it would be more for them
also no trinkets are worth that ilvl drop

we will definitely see a couple heroic splits but they have to reclear quickly

Man I have 0 pieces of tier after full normal and 7/9 heroic. Obviously I have the catalyst charge though. I'll get one from.KSM today thank god

[SoLoR1]

Do you even play this game if you think vantus = vault, reclears, 90 more wyrm and aspects, and an extra crafted item?

I play this game pretty much since US beta in 2004? and since vantus is about ~2.5%? dmg increase and 1.5%? dmg decrease on average couple of item levels across all chars couple of ilvls cant be much more... i dont however raid / do m+ since legion so i might be wrong, but i bet im not wrong by much, how you want it to be portraited. i would guess reset will give them 3 or 4 ilvls on average and that is not that massive boost that everyone expects.

[SeIex]

I play this game pretty much since US beta in 2004? and since vantus is about ~2.5%? dmg increase and 1.5%? dmg decrease on average couple of item levels across all chars couple of ilvls cant be much more... i dont however raid / do m+ since legion so i might be wrong, but i bet im not wrong by much, how you want it to be portraited. i would guess reset will give them 3 or 4 ilvls on average and that is not that massive boost that everyone expects.

One ilvl is supposed to be 1% dmg last i checked. Also, not sure but I don't think 300 versitility would be that much dmg, about half that I think(depends on class tho). So the reset should definitely be more dps than the loss of vantus rune no matter how you slice it.

[Shurkien]

Echo losing their disc priest in this fight has hurt their prog a lot.

What happened?

[Rageonit]

What happened?

Zaelia's sick.

[Nymrohd]

I play this game pretty much since US beta in 2004? and since vantus is about ~2.5%? dmg increase and 1.5%? dmg decrease on average couple of item levels across all chars couple of ilvls cant be much more... i dont however raid / do m+ since legion so i might be wrong, but i bet im not wrong by much, how you want it to be portraited. i would guess reset will give them 3 or 4 ilvls on average and that is not that massive boost that everyone expects.

I think what you are missing is that the change to the way loot works in 10.1 and even more so 10.2 especially with crests has accelerated ilvl gain by week significantly. Beyond the Vault, everyone is also getting a second BiS item through crafting and enough crests to at the very least buff up their weapon drop to max ilvl.

[Tonkaden]

People that think extra reset will make tswift fall easy think again, they vantus runed tswift, they wont vantused it next reset, so gear advantage is gone. I think guilds will need a minimum full day of prog after reclear...

No they wont lol. They damned near one shot everyone but smolderthorn and they all have that down now. They will clear in a couple hours. The real question is if both guilds will do more heroic splits or save them for walls on the last boss.

[jjbarea]

seems like this boss really separates the 2 best from the rest of the pack

[gobarj]

No they wont lol. They damned near one shot everyone but smolderthorn and they all have that down now. They will clear in a couple hours. The real question is if both guilds will do more heroic splits or save them for walls on the last boss.

I honestly foresee another nerf to this boss, I doubt they'll clear this boss in a couple of hours, even with upgrades. The main reason they're wiping is not the damage or healing, it's the instant-wipe mechanics. That extra gear isn't going to magically make them survive it or push that 25% extra damage (considering we haven't seen enrage yet), only further training & execution will do that.

I'm positive Blizzard will make another adjustment (either to seeds or the boss HP) before it gets killed.

[Biomega]

I'm positive Blizzard will make another adjustment (either to seeds or the boss HP) before it gets killed.

They've been actively lobbying Blizzard not to do this.

It's not a great viewer experience, but the guilds seem to be enjoying this kind of difficulty. It feels fair, it's not dominated by RNG bullshit or arbitrary gear requirements or any kind of number wall you just can't jump. It's just really tightly tuned really unforgiving mechanics embedded in a constant demand for big-dick performance. That's basically the ideal boss for these kinds of guilds.

As Max and others have pointed out on stream, any kind of substantial nerf would effectively turn this into an instant kill. Which is the last thing they want, and is in fact something they've actively complained about in the past - they want progression, not running into a wall for two days until a nerf drops and then they kill it in 5 tries. That's robbing them of the progression they play the game for in the first place.

Now, all that is for the world-first guilds only, of course. No question this boss will be SEVERELY nerfed down the line after the race is over.