Would a rose, by any other name, smell as sweet? World Quests are Daily quests. Daily quests are world quests. The only differences are how you pick them up and that you don't have to turn them in when you complete them. That and there is far greater variety in world quests than there ever was in daily quests.
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Also this ^^^
1. You can gather in Dragonflight and even expand your skills/acquire gathering gear, vastly more in-depth system compared to Classic gathering
2. Every version of WoW has leveling... are we forgetting Classic has a rampant boosting problem? (wtb sm/mara/zg/mana labs etc boost)
3. Dragonflight has reputations too... including several expansions worth of old reps to go and farm. Meanwhile in WOTLK you 4 of the reps you equip a tabard and do mindless heroic spamming, one rep is exclusive to raiding, sons of hodir you buy relics for like 100g and get exalted within minutes.
4. Dragonflight has some of the best written side quests in the game; blue dragon aspect questline, Old Hatreds, Ysera, etc. The main story is pretty poor but the side questlines are some of the best questlines ever written.
5. See your quote below, how the hell is doing dailies any different than doing world quests in Dragonflight? I can't tell if you're serious when you say that enemies dying in seconds is an issue for retail when they die at the same speed if not faster in WOTLK. If you think doing dailies is fun world content, you might have a mental disability.
6. Traveling to entrances is considered world content? lol? For the record, you have to travel to mythic + instances and raids in Dragonflight too. Once again, another sign you've never actually played Retail beyond doing the main quests.
7. Once again, you've clearly never turned on War Mode in Dragonflight. There is so much of it in the new zone.
Meanwhile in Dragonflight, there are several world events which are constantly packed since 10.2 release.
Dude, have you even played Dragonflight? Yes, there are blue ! in Dragonflight. Even if there weren't, Daily Quests are the lowest quality content.
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Shuttle of Illidan
I tried leveling through DF with warmode on and had to turn it off, I was getting ganked so much. I attempted to do a PVP world quest with my HC/Mythic raid geared DH and got WRECKED until I finally gave up. To find that much pvp in wrath, I had to be in a battleground or Wintergrasp, even on a pvp server.
No dude. The drama here is the fact that you guys don't want to admit that WoW Dragonflight is bad. It have a terrible score in User Reviews. People left DF like they did in Shadowlands and you are trying to find a weak point in all of this since 6 pages ago.
You guys don't want to admit that WoW became a game of sit in SW/Orgrimmar day and night waiting for the next queue to pop up for M+ and LFR. The World is dead as content and you guys are not going to make me think any different the moment i go to each of the zones in DF to try to complete the content with no people around to do it. There is no one doing those World Quests, Rares and Elite Quests. There have been pages and pages about the same thing over and over again.
I proposed that maybe the solution would be making TW World Quests and zones for an entire expansion, to make the world be relevant again, including the past expansions. There are no people in Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor in retail. There are no plays around the world because there is no reason to do so. Just sit in the city and wait for the dungeon. OP main post is about it.
You guys are completely delusional by thinking that DF is the best thing that ever happened for WoW. Is actually why this thread was created by someone else and people are sharing their opinions about it (mostly negative).
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I hated playing WOTLK in a PvP server back when i was a new horde character. I had to move my first character to Area 52 and from there...i never returned to those PvP servers. Back then was getting ganked by an Undead Rogue or Gnome.
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Shuttle of Illidan
No dude, i'm not going to continue with this. You are trying so hard to win an argument of "But DF have this...and that...and back then we used to also have that...". No dude, back then that content was relevant. Today, i could fully skip it, still get OP gear with M+ and Raids and forget about the world content. Call it Quests, Daily Quests, World Quests....what ever.
Back in WOTLK, you NEED to do content outside of the world to get at least 187 item level for several sources, including dungeons, reputations, pvp, etc. I know that, because I played that game. I still remember the item levle of the items, because back then i farmed them. I know the price to get up to item level 200 by crafting item level 187 armor or farm for it. Or using Titansteel to do it.
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Easiest version of it is called: Dragonflight.
Don't tell me you need skill to have higher item level, because that is a lie. M+ is easy.
And everyone else don't. Including me.
False, dragonflight player retention is the highest of any xpac ever unless you want to claim they are lying to their investors in their quarterly reports lol...
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Link your IO, if you actually want this comment to be taken serious.
Shuttle of Illidan
Seems like OP should just go play classic wow, since they cherish it so much. I've had my fill of classic and everything in-between it and retail. They made it to cater to the nostalgic players that prefer to live in the past. As for me, I cannot be bothered to go back and do what I've already experienced...because I've already experienced it. Which is why I'm always looking forward to the next big thing in future expansions.
maybe, and I'm just throwing this out there, we don't admit that "You guys don't want to admit that WoW became a game of sit in SW/Orgrimmar day and night waiting for the next queue to pop up for M+ and LFR. The World is dead as content and you guys are not going to make me think any different the moment i go to each of the zones in DF to try to complete the content with no people around to do it. There is no one doing those World Quests, Rares and Elite Quests." because THAT IS NOT OUR EXPERIENCE. I see players every time I go out into DF, regardless of zone or world-event. Every single time, and I play some weird hours, where you would expect the overall population to be lower.
I don't know if it's because you're on a RP server, or if you're just not noticing people as much, or if you're flat out making crap up. I don't know, but your experience is not the same as my experience, when it comes to Dragonflight. Your proposed solutions would do virtually nothing to help the problem you've described and would mostly make the problem worse by spreading the playerbase out over more zones and expansions.
You can keep telling me your experience all day long, and I'll believe you, but you go further than that and tell us that we're wrong about our experiences, which is condescending, at the very mildest. No one has said DF is the best thing that ever happened to WoW, literally no one in this thread that I have read has said that; I haven't even seen anyone saying it's the best expansion, in this thread, though it's possible I missed that. Some of us have said that it's a step in the right direction or that certain aspects are as good or better than they have ever been, but that's not the same thing as saying DF is the best thing that ever happened to the game. This is, once again, a straw man argument.
Do you not understand what retention means?
Do you not understand what blizzard means by saying it has the highest retention?
It means players didn't "leave like SL" which you claimed.
It has nothing to do with subscriber numbers, now you're just trying to shift goal posts once again after being caught lying once again.
I used to think like that, but sadly, I'm not sure where WoW is going if Dragonflight content is their model to create The World Soul Saga. I want to believe they are going to make something great but....idk. BFA, Shadowlands and DF makes me distrust that they will actually be able to create an awesome expansion, specially when they announced that they are going to give "Earthen" Dwarves to the Horde.
And about Classic. Is not that bad. Is fun for someone like me, that played classic so many years ago. But once i get tired of it, i will never return to it.
Current ratings based on googling "wow dragonflight reviews"
7/10IGN
84%OpenCritic
9/10GameSpot
Audience summary rating 3.9/5
Now i always take reviews like this with a grain of salt and prefer to make my own decisions on whether an expac is good. Because in my circles, my wow guild(a guild that used to have a raiding FF14 freecompany) everyone likes wow more then ff14. I think people have personal beliefs and even though games share the genre of mmo they are very different and attract different audiences. People that like 1 may or may not like the other. Using dejectors of 1 is hardly any type of evidence that the other is "good or bad".
I havent been in org for more then 2minutes at a time over the last 5 months. I log in and I go do something. Funny enough when i log in my wotlk char I go grab dailies in dalaran and q for a random to get my emblems. Then after the 5man(if i still need it) I sit in dalaran some more looking for either a weekly raid group(for more emblems) or a VoA (for tier/emblems). I have no desire or need to go out and do dailies. But on retail, I've been living in the new zone for hours a day getting everything done on my main or alts. Getting the new rep(not just through dailies or instanced content like older versions of the game).
You can not like DF I have my complaints about it too. But spouting all this garbage like that DF is somehow objectively bad is just a bad take. Hold your L and log off for the night.
Edit: wanting things like all old content to be relevant is nonsense talk. Balancing drops and consumes is just obnoxious unless you expect allt he consumes to just become the same thing with different mats. Because if they weren't 1 would be best and essentially make it the only choice.(obviously on a spec to spec basis) and could you imagine needing to split up and farm all the old raids for a bunch of niche trinkets. Boy o boy cant wait to do gruul again because some one needs the updated DST every patch. Yippee
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My numbers come from the negative reviews on Metacritic, Dragonflight with a User Score of 3.3. Reviews in Reddit + Forums + Even streamers themselves like Asmongold, who rarely plays DF. Those are my numbers.
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Do you have the suscriptions numbers in paper to compare them vs last year? No, you don't.
Do Blizzard provide said numbers? No, they don't. Because lower numbers makes them look bad to investors. So they only tells them "good news". Blizzard is not a saint, you know...?